What?
I remember replying to this post. Wow, I had forgotten about this conversation only stumbled upon this post through luck, while I was looking through some threads.
Oh, great, now I’m going to have to reply to this again. I forgot what were talking about and what point was, but whatever, I’ll try and remember.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Mind rape on clark...dude if Despero couldn't do it and if a ubber skyfather level character couldn't do it then, well why would Norrin be able to do it. If anything, T-VO would be more effective on SS then any mental TP attack SS throws at supes....simply put it the last palce SS wants to fight supes is in the battle of the minds.Secondly, Supes has shown to regenerate energy nearly instantly why out in the open....and given the surge in energy he will attain with this amp it's very unlikly that will be a viable tactic. SS could try but it will be a lesson in fultilty, it would be like trying to empty a ocean with small bucket...you can try but don't expect any quick results.
If Max Lord could take control over Superman, Norrin can mind rape him or take over his mind and he wins.
Despero has been shown to be able to mind control him has he not in the past, or am I wrong?
What time did Despero clearly try and fail to control Superman? I must have forgotten the showing so, remind me.
Despero really varies from one showing to another, nearly as much as Gladiator and Sentry, so depending on the incarnation/showing of Despero, it really isn’t that great of a showing.
Silver Surfer, draining him of energy is a viable tactic, as Silver Surfer, can absorb vast quantities of energy in moments and for those moments Superman would be significantly vulnerable and Norrin can keep on doing it all day long.
If Star Fire can do it to multiple Kryptonian’s, Silver Surfer, who has vastly greater energy absorption and manipulation capabilities, can do it to a Sun Dipped Superman, especially because Norrin as well is receiving, a huge energy boost.
Different beings have drained Superman in the past and they have been highly effective.
I mean didn’t Superman beg Triumph to not drain him or cut of the Solar energy of his cells from the rest of his body, as it would kill him?
It’s been a while since I read that arc so I forget the fine details but weren’t those Clark’s own words?
So how is draining Clark of Solar energy not a viable, and an effective tactic for Norrin?
I mean, Norrin with his matter manipulation, etc. can do Clark and his inner mechanisms than draining him.
I mean, this is the current ruthless Norrin, right?
The quickest method would to open up a black hole where Clark’s brain and where Clark’s heart use to be. It would take a thought and Norrin would be able to accomplish it.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
[B Physically speaking, Supes is the most versatile and imposing brawling type character you can find. This match stipulation is a huge advantage in supes favor. He has striking power potent enough to injury a sourced power infinity man, durability to endure a exploding sun eater, movement speed second only to wally and projectile output that exceeds a type 2 supernova in raw power...and this is just as his base. I gave SS the win in the supes vs SS thread due to the weakness exploitation, but barring those and enforcing a "brawl only"type of stipulation is just a slaughter in supes favor. [/B]
Physically speaking I can find superior beings to Clark, but for the most cases Superman should be the obvious choice.
Wasn’t he owned by the Infinity Man, and it was never clear how much power the Source gave him. He might have been only allowed, to simply empty the New God’s souls and nothing more.
The exploding Sun Eater was an implosion etc. so not nearly the maximum damage out put of the Sun Eater if I remember.
What do you mean a projectile output that is greater than a Type 2 Supernova?
Do you mean how hard he can throw projectiles? That really wouldn’t make much sense, but I won’t say anything as I believe I misunderstood your statement.
Why are you listing feats?
I can do the same but it will get us no where as Silver Surfer has just as many impressive feats as Clark, and do you forget that this isn’t Silver Surfer at his base either?
I would rather not start listing feats as it would take us all day, but if you really want to, go right ahead but it solves nothing.
I mean Norrin, has survived in a black hole harmlessly,
Movement speed Clark has the advantage in showings, but Norrin has shown that he is no slouch either, and throw in his telepathic and calculating abilities, and isn’t an advantage that would tip the fight in Clark’s favour.
Who said this only a brawl etc.?
What would stop from Silver Surfer, from using his matter manipulation etc. on Clark?
The thread maker only said, that Norrin is not allowed to use his power set to exploit the Red Solar Radiation, and Kryptonite weaknesses. Everything else is open season.
You are really underestimating Norrin or overestimating Clark if you think this is a slaughter. It’s far from that.
Silver Surfer, can match Clark in durability undoubtedly, in strength, with his power’s Clark will have the “disadvantage”. Not only can Norrin match him, but with his energy manipulation, Clark would lose power while Norrin gains power…
In my opinion, you are to hung up on what Clark can do and not taking into account what Silver Surfer, can do to counter Clark’s abilities, but who am I to judge,…
If Max Lord could take control over Superman, Norrin can mind rape him or take over his mind and he wins. Despero has been shown to be able to mind control him has he not in the past, or am I wrong? What time did Despero clearly try and fail to control Superman? I must have forgotten the showing so, remind me.
Silver Surfer, draining him of energy is a viable tactic, as Silver Surfer, can absorb vast quantities of energy in moments and for those moments Superman would be significantly vulnerable and Norrin can keep on doing it all day long.
So how is draining Clark of Solar energy not a viable, and an effective tactic for Norrin? I mean, Norrin with his matter manipulation, etc. can do Clark and his inner mechanisms than draining him. I mean, this is the current ruthless Norrin, right?
The quickest method would to open up a black hole where Clark’s brain and where Clark’s heart use to be. It would take a thought and Norrin would be able to accomplish it.
I am not going to reply to the other part. I will bet front. Besides this is all just opinions.