>If Max Lord could take control over Superman, Norrin can mind rape him or take over his mind and he wins.<
Max had extensive knowledge and very privliiaged information on clark, not to mention he had been working extensivly for years untill he finally managed to break into supes mind. It was a lengthy process that required years of study, and it was only possible given Max's relationship to the leauge. Despero mindraped both Aquaman and manhunter but was unable to accomplish a mindrape on supes, SS would not want to enter into the battle of the minds especially since I seem to remember SS easily falling prey to the mental influences of carnage.
>Silver Surfer, draining him of energy is a viable tactic, as Silver Surfer, can absorb vast quantities of energy in moments and for those moments Superman would be significantly vulnerable and Norrin can keep on doing it all day long.<
As I've said, supes has displayed nearly instant recover while in the rays of the sun whenever his energy has been absorbed. He even overloaded a machine that was specifically designed to absorb his energy and If I'm not mistaken SS went mad trying to absorb a fraction of the sun. Draining would simply be a lesson in futility becauses supes will constantly be recovered, it will be like attempting to drain a ocean with a small bucket. The dramatic boast in his amps further make this tactic impossible or at least highly unlikly.
>The quickest method would to open up a black hole where Clark’s brain and where Clark’s heart use to be. It would take a thought and Norrin would be able to accomplish it.<
I've never seen this tactic ever applied offensivly to be honest, it's more a forum myth then something I recall seeing ever done in a comic.
>Physically speaking I can find superior beings to Clark, but for the most cases Superman should be the obvious choice. Wasn’t he owned by the Infinity Man, and it was never clear how much power the Source gave him. He might have been only allowed, to simply empty the New God’s souls and nothing more.<
Supes has peak herald stats and is one of the most imposing physical characters you can find, it's difficult to find a character who has the speed,strength and durability supes normally operates on. If competing againt KC Supes,Gog,sourcE power infinity man,Doomsday,Darkseid,Superman Prime don't give a indication to his physical abilities...I don't know what well. From the infinity man example, I don't know to which extent he was amplifed but it he was clearly very powerful...and yet supes managed to injury him with his fist. SS on the otherhand, cannot evens sracth Thanos and falls like brick whenever Thanos lays a single punch into him...who characters like Thor,champion,gamora and drax by direct comparion seem to have a easiar time with.
>The exploding Sun Eater was an implosion etc. so not nearly the maximum damage out put of the Sun Eater if I remember.<
Right, Supes endured a explosion from a couple feat away that destroyed a nebula sized sun eater lol, the potency of that blast is true insanity.
>What do you mean a projectile output that is greater than a Type 2 Supernova? Do you mean how hard he can throw projectiles? That really wouldn’t make much sense, but I won’t say anything as I believe I misunderstood your statement.<
His HV output is more intense and potent then any previously measured heat reading, this comes from DC earth scientist who are more advanced then real world experts.....bascially the upper know limit for his HV is unknown.
>I can do the same but it will get us no where as Silver Surfer has just as many impressive feats as Clark, and do you forget that this isn’t Silver Surfer at his base either?<
I know of SS feats, not taking anything away from him. However, given the match stipulation I don't see SS being able to win....to many disadvantages.
>I mean Norrin, has survived in a black hole harmlessly,<
Supes contained a micro black hole in the palm of his hand, and he did escape the velocity of 2 blackholes....oh and he has even displayed some very impressive resistence against K-nite.
>Movement speed Clark has the advantage in showings, but Norrin has shown that he is no slouch either, and throw in his telepathic and calculating abilities, and isn’t an advantage that would tip the fight in Clark’s favour.<
In terms of combat speed, it isn't even disputed..supes is his superior. Supes movement is second only to flash, and since movement is the base for all physical action we know just how fast supes can fight. SS speed is derived from his board, while he can use the speed of his board offensivly he has never used it the effect supes has shown. Supes fights like a speedster, while sun-dipped....supes would literally be a blur to SS whom has shown very poor combat related reflexes in the past. It would be similar to the fight SS had with runner, except Supes would be operating on near PC Supes stats.
>What would stop from Silver Surfer, from using his matter manipulation etc. on Clark?The thread maker only said, that Norrin is not allowed to use his power set to exploit the Red Solar Radiation, and Kryptonite weaknesses. Everything else is open season.<
SS matter manip can all be at somepoint countered, with the exception of k-nite and red solar energy...SS can't throw anything at Supes that he has encountered and overcome a million times before.
>You are really underestimating Norrin or overestimating Clark if you think this is a slaughter. It’s far from that. Silver Surfer, can match Clark in durability undoubtedly, in strength, with his power’s Clark will have the “disadvantage”. Not only can Norrin match him, but with his energy manipulation, Clark would lose power while Norrin gains power<
SS can't match him though, he isn't near as strong nor as fast and the fight stipulation is a "pure brawl". At his base, supes did to thor what SS couldn't do on 2 seperate occasions even with a amp....and that's with the aid of all his"versatility". SS can't defend well agaisnt speed as seen in his fight with runner, and while I'm not claiming supes is as fast as runner....runner is one of the few characters SS has fought agaisnt that applies speed in a similar manner to Supes. Really any advantage SS has with his versatility is pretty much nullified without the ability to manufacture red sun radiation or K-nite...and we all know trying to engage supes physically would just be suicide.
>In my opinion, you are to hung up on what Clark can do and not taking into account what Silver Surfer, can do to counter Clark’s abilities, but who am I to judge<
Physical stats, Supes>SS
Versatility, SS>Supes
Match with a "pure brawl"stipulation, Supes>SS
Originally posted by The Great Galen
and If I'm not mistaken SS went mad trying to absorb a fraction of the sun.
I don't really care about the rest of this, but this battle was at their peak level shown on panel...and then SS in his Unilord fight was brought up. Well...what about SS in IW, like Galen pointed out? He absorbed a portion of the sun, and it apparently amped him exponentially. This is clearly shown by the fact that the Goddess gave her followers 'the most advanced technology in the universe' and yet all of their instrumentation redlined attempting to scan his power. And if I'm recalling things right, they could barely track his speed, too. That version of Surfer would beat OWAW Supes, IMO.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't really care about the rest of this, but this battle was at their peak level shown on panel...and then SS in his Unilord fight was brought up. Well...what about SS in IW, like Galen pointed out? He absorbed a portion of the sun, and it apparently amped him exponentially. This is clearly shown by the fact that the Goddess gave her followers 'the most advanced technology in the universe' and yet all of their instrumentation redlined attempting to scan his power. And if I'm recalling things right, they could barely track his speed, too. That version of Surfer would beat OWAW Supes, IMO.
You mean the featless wonder IW SS....I guess.
Originally posted by Enyalus
He destroyed a moon physically. And again, his power was off-the-scales, measured by the most advanced tech in the universe.
Supergirl physically destroyed a moon unintentionally as well, and there was that group of skyfather Gods that seem to think Supes was capable of joining there ranks.
Originally posted by Raoul
yes. as i understood it, all his powers were upgraded.
"Read it again."
😛 But seriously. When all of his senses come back, it apparently gives his brain a jolt and allows him to think much quicker. That was all that was mentioned being upgraded. OWAW was a sort of upgrade in and of itself, because he had gotten training from Mongul. 🙂
Originally posted by Enyalus
"Read it again."😛 But seriously. When all of his senses come back, it apparently gives his brain a jolt and allows him to think much quicker. That was all that was mentioned being upgraded. OWAW was a sort of upgrade in and of itself, because he had gotten training from Mongul. 🙂
mhmm
i will read it again. even if what you said happens to be true, he's been slowly upgraded anyways over the years. he hasn't exactly stayed at his owaw levels...
Originally posted by Raoul
mhmmi will read it again. even if what you said happens to be true, he's been slowly upgraded anyways over the years. he hasn't exactly stayed at his owaw levels...
There's absolutley no doubt that after Infinite Crisis, his powers simply skyrocketed. Pretty much every single one of his powers are approaching pre-Crisis levels, and the feats are the best they've ever been after COIE.