Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. No evidence they do the same things. Laser weapons in Fallout 3 do the exact same thing, disintegrate you, does that mean they are the same potency as Plasma Rifles? No, they are not, and there is no proof the BFG can tear through Mjolnir Armor or Titanium A.2. Make Chief's suit lock up you mean? I thought we were under the impression Chief gets all the same perks as random Doom guy?
3. The hell we can't, the majority of Doom creatures MC can kill with his bare hands.
4. Chief can easily flip 66 tons. I do not think the Cyberdemon weighs or can lift 66 tons.
5. ZOMG! NOT T3H 200 METERS! Human males are 200 pounds(being GENEROUS), which is not even 5% of 66 tons, which MC flips easily.
#1: I just gave you an example... Reducing to vapour>reducing to ash pile/goo puddle
#2: Uh, Where was that impression from? I already gave Cheif some consession with the Cyberdemon thing.
#3: The majority, but certainly not all. Remember, most of the Doom enemies short of the Hellknight are supposed to be Canon Fodder
#4: I do beleive you are wrong on both counts, Babel reqyuires a constantly active jet engine on it's back to maintain the weight distribution of the weapin he carries and the exessive load of metal in it's cybernetics. Not to mntion it crashed thru a fortress wall with ease.
#5: Forgetting things like inertia and terminal velocity, 200 meters was only how far he went in a straight line, there's no way of telling how far he would have gone without an obstruction. Iwould pay to see Cheif do anything like this.
You would pay to see Chief throw a.. human, 200 meters?
That's pointless. Flipping 140 THOUSAND pound vehicles TEN feet into the air (with, canonically, not much effort) is >>> throwing a 180 pound human 200 meters. Even with inertia, even if the gravity was 2 times our own, that fact would not chace.
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
You would pay to see Chief throw a.. human, 200 meters?That's pointless. Flipping 140 THOUSAND pound vehicles TEN feet into the air (with, canonically, not much effort) is >>> throwing a 180 pound human 200 meters. Even with inertia, even if the gravity was 2 times our own, that fact would not chace.
Blaxian, you seriously overhyped that feat...
Where did it say not much effort, and where did it say he THREW it 10 feet in the air, all he did was pucj over a capsized scorpion, the average human can push over a multi tonne car. Don't overexagerate something thats not meant to be taken any more than at face value.
That and at least my listed feat occured in-game visibly and quantifiably 😈
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
[B]Where did it say not much effort,
The Flood.
and where did it say he THREW it 10 feet in the air, all he did was pucj over a capsized scorpion
It leaves the ground entirely and rises above your head when it's flipped..
the average human can push over a multi tonne car. Don't overexagerate something thats not meant to be taken any more than at face value.
One regular human can not move even a car that is flipped upside down entirely.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Other than be many times hotter than the core of the sun in concentrated blasts, not super quick jolts?
Youve made the diffrent into what form they take, well done, now prove that being a conentrated blast actually avails the plasma projectiles because frankly in a fictional unvierse I need proof of what the plasma projectiles can do.
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
The Flood.It leaves the ground entirely and rises above your head when it's flipped..
One regular human can not move even a car that is flipped upside down entirely.
Yeah its nice to know you only focused on one point in the entire debate...
Is that from the game? yeah... thats going to fly about as far as a pig will.
Uhuh...
Originally posted by Burning thought
what damage has it done in canon to both MC and objects around him?
Briefly after the discovery of the Covenant, a refractive outer layer was added to the MJOLNIR combat armor to disperse the plasma, but plasma otherwise melts through bulkhead and titanium-A like water.
A plasma pistol overcharged bolt was described by SPARTAN-104 as feeling as if struck by a "red hot sledgehammer".
Originally posted by Burning thought
so its still not teh super one shot disintegrate blast that Eneru seems to think it is
At least, that's the impression that he was giving me.
For the record though, a Fuel Rod Cannon is more of a super one-charge disintegrating blast - and Kelly took two rounds in the chest at once and survived. Unconscious and with burns everywhere and hydrostatic gel boiling out of her armor, but she survived.
Also, Chief got hit by an anti-tank missile and blacked out for only a few seconds.
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
The Flood.It leaves the ground entirely and rises above your head when it's flipped..
One regular human can not move even a car that is flipped upside down entirely.
I'm calling bullshit on this one otherwise.
As for Darkstorm - yes, the Chief can lift 66 tons. No, it's not as easy as Blaxican makes it out to be.
We went over this two or three years ago, remember?
Originally posted by DarkC
How'd you get that out of what he said? He was trying to make the point that the plasma from Halo is powerful (which it is, as I have said) and that it is comparably different from plasma in other fictional worlds (which it is.).At least, that's the impression that he was giving me.
For the record though, a Fuel Rod Cannon is more of a super one-charge disintegrating blast - and Kelly took two rounds in the chest at once and survived. Unconscious and with burns everywhere and hydrostatic gel boiling out of her armor, but she survived.
Also, Chief got hit by an anti-tank missile and blacked out for only a few seconds.
I still see the BFG9k outdoing anything in Halo short of a Wraith's plasma mortar, and thats being generous.
Originally posted by DarkC
Gimme the page number where it actually says he flips a Scorpion without much effort. The most I remember him flipping in that novel was a Warthog. I don't even recall him driving the tank in that book.I'm calling bullshit on this one otherwise.
As for Darkstorm - yes, the Chief can lift 66 tons. No, it's not as easy as Blaxican makes it out to be.
We went over this two or three years ago, remember?
I know he can push/topple it, but he certainly can't bench it...
Originally posted by DarkC
How'd you get that out of what he said? He was trying to make the point that the plasma from Halo is powerful (which it is, as I have said) and that it is comparably different from plasma in other fictional worlds (which it is.).At least, that's the impression that he was giving me.
For the record though, a Fuel Rod Cannon is more of a super one-charge disintegrating blast - and Kelly took two rounds in the chest at once and survived. Unconscious and with burns everywhere and hydrostatic gel boiling out of her armor, but she survived.
Also, Chief got hit by an anti-tank missile and blacked out for only a few seconds.
hes constantly bitching about how its as hot as the core of the sun, as if it can disintegrate anything through that heat, but if all it can do is 1st and 3rd degree burns then......
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I still see the BFG9k outdoing anything in Halo short of a Wraith's plasma mortar, and thats being generous.
No, definitely not a plasma mortar. Not unless the BFG9K completely disintegrates everything within a twenty-meter radius on impact with one shot. Go read the passage from the Halo novel that I posted in the Halo vs Gears thread.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I know he can push/topple it, but he certainly can't bench it...
It's still an essentially moot point IMO, if he can roll a tank weighing 66 tonnes that's pretty f***ing strong.
Originally posted by Burning thought
hes constantly bitching about how its as hot as the core of the sun, as if it can disintegrate anything through that heat, but if all it can do is 1st and 3rd degree burns then......
Master Chief's guns shoot projectiles hotter than the core of the sun and he can react faster than the speed of light! Don't you dare argue! droolio
Originally posted by Burning thought
hes constantly bitching about how its as hot as the core of the sun, as if it can disintegrate anything through that heat, but if all it can do is 1st and 3rd degree burns then......
However that's beside the point - what enables him to survive that is because of his armor and shields as I have mentioned.
Also the heat is near instantaneous as the plasma dissipates quickly when the magnetic bubble is shattered on impact, it's more like waving your hand through a fire real fast than dipping your fingers in molten iron.
Originally posted by DarkC
I see it as more of a Fuel Rod Cannon, as I mentioned earlier. And that's not being generous, it's being fair. The FR Cannon's destructive capabilities are quite respectable in that regard.No, definitely not a plasma mortar. Not unless the BFG9K completely disintegrates everything within a twenty-meter radius on impact with one shot. Go read the passage from the Halo novel that I posted in the Halo vs Gears thread.
Obviously not, although I'm not entirely sure that Blaxican was giving that impression of benching.
It's still an essentially moot point IMO, if he can roll a tank weighing 66 tonnes that's pretty f***ing strong.
Actually, the BFG disintegrates within 30 meters of the flash point, and is lethal in 50 meters. This was stated in the weapons holodisk. That easily puts it out of the Fuel rod launchers league.
DC...... Read what he said... He literally said Cheif one-handedly lifted the tank and actually threw it 10 ft