The Punisher VS Xenomorphs
the same scenario as of Aliens but this time there is no platoon and no little girl to save. there is however the one man army known as the Punisher. standards equipment for good ol' frank:
-twin .45 rounds, hollowpoint [xeno's been shown to get killed by a 9mm to the head]
-twin Mp5
-shotgun
-grenades
-knife
-throwing knives
-M60 assault rifle
can frank survive?
~Sado
How many Aliens are there? I'm not usually a stickler for details but i think the amount of Aliens is definitely important.
As long as their isn't to many Aliens and as long as Castle is aware of the Aliens i think he has a chance and as long as their aren't any more than five Aliens. I think Castle would have a chance. Not a good chance but a chance. Depending how many Aliens there are, the advantage is most likely in their favor. I'll wait, to give my ultimate opinion until we find out how many there are.
And we would have to consider how much of each type of ammo he has too. But Id have to say that he would never make it out of the 1st encounter where the marines got screwed royally.
To many attacked simutaneously for any one man to be able to fend off so many attacks 36O degrees on all axis for very long.
He'd need to reload at some point regardless of his firing rate.
And Ripley coming to rescue him in the APC wont happen.
Then he is Bantha fodder.
think of it as the same as when Ripley went alone to get Newt back. She was armed with a flamethrower and an assault rifle and she went out there alone. Frank's the same only with more guns and a few grenades to throw.
Of course its not easy but Frank's almost always has to take on multiple people on his own and he's a deadshot whose reaction time is up there with Blade's (they were on a stalemate in terms of reaction). that an the fact that this aint the first time he's been in an infested city with lots of freaks walking around. during WWH he took on Mung and his minions on his own and killed all of them....though he did a special suit to take on Mung himself.
Sadako: frank has four clips for his MP5's since its staple part of his outfit (the teeth of his skull are the mp5 clips), several rounds for his shotgun, 2-3 clips for his twin handguns and around 5-10 grenades. like i said before, one shot to the head from 9mm have dropped and killed a xenomorph so a .45 will hollowpoint will screw up up pretty bad. and don't forget that Frank's a deadshot.
~Sado
Well, if it's an unseen number of Xenomorphs. I don't think Frank has a chance. I can see Frank taking on four or five Aliens and having a good chance but anymore than that and i say he's screwed. The aliens communicate to each other using telepathy. They are skilled puzzle solvers and quick learners. Their speed is blinding and their range of attack is near indefensible, given their acid blood. The movies and comics alike have shown us that the Xenomorphs explode when dispatched with gunfire or fire. Castle is a very skilled soldier but there is no way he will be able to defend his 12 and 6 from an enemy, who's blood can incapacitate him. The Aliens also have no fear of death and would be more than willing to sacrifice themselves if it means protecting the queen and hive. Also, Frank has no defense whatsoever if an Alien is able to actually get ahold of him. The aliens would just need to rush Frank from front and behind and he is dead within seconds.
Originally posted by Sado22Sadako: frank has four clips for his MP5's since its staple part of his outfit (the teeth of his skull are the mp5 clips), several rounds for his shotgun, 2-3 clips for his twin handguns and around 5-10 grenades. like i said before, one shot to the head from 9mm have dropped and killed a xenomorph so a .45 will hollowpoint will screw up up pretty bad. and don't forget that Frank's a [b]deadshot
.~Sado [/B]
Ahh. Ok thanks.
Aliens overwhelm still if they attack en mass..
And itd happen when reloading or changing weapons, before the point when he runs out... me thinks.
Yeah, they're aliens, they swarm, and they're quite intelligent as we saw in Alien Ressurection. They'd bumrush Castle, and no matter how many he'd kill, the leftovers would melt through anything, causing chaos, he'd die.
Originally posted by Sado22
dude, in AVP2 it took TWO people (one marine and one n00b) to just go right through the hospital full of xenomorphs. and one pred was pwning them all throughout the movie. if they try to swarm castle........he'll through a grenade and i think you guys aren't really understanding what i mean by "deadshot". Mp5 alone has 30 rounds. M60 has about [b]1000. and again, grenades. he won't need to reload for a very long time and its not like he will stand there reloading while they are next to his face. if he runs out of his m60 eventually, he'll go for shotgun. once shotgun is out he'll go for mp5. once he runs out of mp5's he'll go for twin colts....and a few throwning knives and grenades later, me thinks he can clear it. they weren't THAT many xenos there. [/B]
Yeah what's up with that? I'd call that bad writing. However, the chances of a one man army against a swarm of Xenomorphs, especially since we're only using movie Punisher, is unlikely imo that he'd wipe them all out, even if he is a dead shot.
Let's not forget the Facehuggers, and if not, the Queen, those b*tches are mean.
Originally posted by Scythe
Yeah what's up with that? I'd call that bad writing. However, the chances of a one man army against a swarm of Xenomorphs, especially since we're only using movie Punisher, is unlikely imo that he'd wipe them all out, even if he is a dead shot.Let's not forget the Facehuggers, and if not, the Queen, those b*tches are mean.
100% Agreed.
The Xenomorphs suffer horribly from bad written and plot driven nonsense, especially in the AVP movies.
Alien: One took all the entire crew except for Ripley.
Aliens: A swarm/hive decimated a group of well armed space Marines.
Alien 3: One smaller (weaker?) but faster dog-based Xeno slowly picked off and destroyed the monks/inmates.
Alien 4: A small group (5-6?) took out the soldiers and several of the mercs on that military ship.
AVP: One Xeno was able to take out two of the Predators and then the remaining Xeno's had trouble with the last Predator and some chick with a spear. Shit writing.
AVP 2: The Xenomorphs were retarded and useless from what little I remember.
In short, if the Xenomorphs are allowed to be all they're supposed to be, ie "the perfect predator", then Frank Castle goes down. He would likely kill quite a few, but as they closed in, he's be having to defend/attack from all sides while avoiding the acid spray from the bullet holes he's be putting in them.
Originally posted by Sado22
dude, in AVP2 it took TWO people (one marine and one n00b) to just go right through the hospital full of xenomorphs. and one pred was pwning them all throughout the movie. if they try to swarm castle........he'll through a grenade and i think you guys aren't really understanding what i mean by "deadshot". Mp5 alone has 30 rounds. M60 has about [b]1000. and again, grenades. he won't need to reload for a very long time and its not like he will stand there reloading while they are next to his face. if he runs out of his m60 eventually, he'll go for shotgun. once shotgun is out he'll go for mp5. once he runs out of mp5's he'll go for twin colts....and a few throwning knives and grenades later, me thinks he can clear it. they weren't THAT many xenos there. [/B]
AvP2 doesn't count. That movie is an insult to all fans of cinema and a biitch slap to the face of Aliens and Predator fans. I don't care if you say it counts because it has xenomorphs in it because as far as im concerned it was nothing more than a bad joke and im never going to speak of it again.
Even if this were the dead shot Punisher from the comics he isn't going to destroy a hive of Aliens. The Aliens are very intelligent and often work together. Their ability to communicate with one another telepathically is also going to be a disadvantage to the Punisher. I just don't think the Punisher can do anything once the Aliens start to rush him from all angles. He is fast and agile, yeah, but not faster than a Xenomorph. The Xenomorphs also explode causing their blood to spread over a large radius.
Looking back at Aliens i am convinced that Castle could probably, easily, take on a handful of Aliens (five to six). Towards the end of Aliens we saw a glimpse of the Colonial Marines true skill. Not having to worry about a nervous commander and being allowed to use their weaponry. They boasted an arsenal as powerful if not more so than what the Punisher will have in this scenario. We saw how three battle hardened Colonial Marines were able to handle a small swarm of Aliens. Perhaps, had they had a full unit and ammunition, they could have made their stand but as the door and ceiling were broken down, allowing more Aliens to enter the room. The Marines were forced to retreat and three of them had Pulse Rifles.