well, no one said that Frank is going to come right in the middle of the whole mess now did they. he's walking around lock and loaded and any guy with half braincell would know that if you're up against a superior race of super preds the best thing to do with secure a location and shoot like a motherf0cker..............both of which Frank is brilliant at.
its hard but i'm not counting it as impossible for frank.
~Sado
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
If the marines had proper intel and a better commander, as well as all the original equipment they stated off with (before they got spanked in the hatchery), I believe they could have taken out the entire colony, to be honest...
I agree but in the end, it only took one single alien to destroy them all. If it weren't for that bastard that got Spunkmeyer. Hicks and Ripley would be makin babies right now
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
That's true. The "back against the wall" location would be best.
Didnt Hudson have his back to the wall...?
He thought he was pretty covered.
I guess the aliens didnt read the bit which says:
"Do not come up out of the floors of from behind suspended ceilings".
And without a motion tracker Castle is so screwed.
I notice its omission on the equipment list....
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And without a motion tracker Castle is so screwed.
I notice its omission on the equipment list....
Very true, as we've seen, Aliens can be very sneaky/stealthy.
On another note, I also think that the marines could have taken out the alien colony if they knew what they were up against. They could take time to study the blueprints in depth and come up with a strategy and attack from points where they won't get backdoored, set up proxy mines behind their trail etc.
No way in hell can Castle take on Xenomorphs with this weaponry. Hell I wouldn't bet on him killing alot with the Space Marine weaponry.
Ripley made it as far as the nest in Aliens2 with just an assault rifle and a flamethrower, people. and in AVP2, the xenos were falling to conventional arms.
~Sado
The thing i find hard to swallow about the AVP movies is you would literally shit your pants if you had to fight aliens i think fear is the ultimate factor here.
Look at the National Guard in tanks getting pwned in AVP2 etc. you can have all the best equipment and best training in the world but when your fighting something unknown and unknown numbers that you have no intel on puts fear in you which eventually leads to mistakes being made on your part.
A prime example of this is 'Aliens' as everyone has already said look at how those marines got F'd over bigtime because they went in thinking there was only 1 alien. When you got the drop on what and how many your facing then you can usually kill it easily.
Like Dutch in Predator and Danny in Predator 2 once they knew they where facing one thing and it could be hurt they weren't scared of it anymore and went chasing after the damn things lol.
If Frank doesn't know how many Aliens there the man has no chance cause like everyone's said if one those guys suprises him Alien 3 style by hiding in the pipes then that's all the Xenomorphs need. All they need is Frank to fall for a decoy or get distracted so they can get the drop on him.
Bearing in mind as well something the alien movies have never adressed maybe the AVP video games or comics have but can the Aliens 'Smell' humans at all time. Like how the hell do they always no where to go and hunt humans and get the drop on people. At least the predators could only see you so Arnie could get the drop.
But no human in the movies has effictively snuck up like a ninja on an Alien who was out awake and actively hunting.
Originally posted by Sado22
yes, because Xenos falling from a 9mm to the head means that a .45 hollowpoint and 7.6mm rounds of an M60 have nothing on them.Ripley made it as far as the nest in Aliens2 with just an assault rifle and a flamethrower, people. and in AVP2, the xenos were falling to conventional arms.
~Sado
You miss the point.
How many rounds in an M60 and a 9mm magazine..?
Now compare it to the magazine capacity on a Pulse rifle.
Or a smart gun.
Advantage: Space Marine weapons.
And as for her having a mere assault rifle, the armour piercing explosive rounds were why that weapon was so effective and dont forget the grenade launcher bulit in..
AVP is horseshit anyways.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'd say the Punisher would be smart to gain the higher ground.
Smart enough definitely but skilled enough? The Aliens have the numbers and speed. What kind of higher ground are we talking about here anyway? Unless it is some giant pillar extending into the sky, i don't think high ground is going to do much for him.
Originally posted by GGS
The thing i find hard to swallow about the AVP movies is you would literally shit your pants if you had to fight aliens i think fear is the ultimate factor here.Look at the National Guard in tanks getting pwned in AVP2 etc. you can have all the best equipment and best training in the world but when your fighting something unknown and unknown numbers that you have no intel on puts fear in you which eventually leads to mistakes being made on your part.
A prime example of this is 'Aliens' as everyone has already said look at how those marines got F'd over bigtime because they went in thinking there was only 1 alien. When you got the drop on what and how many your facing then you can usually kill it easily.
Like Dutch in Predator and Danny in Predator 2 once they knew they where facing one thing and it could be hurt they weren't scared of it anymore and went chasing after the damn things lol.
If Frank doesn't know how many Aliens there the man has no chance cause like everyone's said if one those guys suprises him Alien 3 style by hiding in the pipes then that's all the Xenomorphs need. All they need is Frank to fall for a decoy or get distracted so they can get the drop on him.
Bearing in mind as well something the alien movies have never adressed maybe the AVP video games or comics have but can the Aliens 'Smell' humans at all time. Like how the hell do they always no where to go and hunt humans and get the drop on people. At least the predators could only see you so Arnie could get the drop.
But no human in the movies has effictively snuck up like a ninja on an Alien who was out awake and actively hunting.
Nicely put and well thought. You shouldn't even address AvP2. That is just pointless 😂
The Marines didn't go in expecting to find any Aliens. Only the company knew there were Aliens there. That is why they sent only one military unit. That is also why their only source of intelligence was Ripley. Had they actually expected to find positive contact they would have employed Recon tactics or at least deployed more than one unit to LV46. 😂 Ripley told them, however, that it was very possible that each individual in the colony could have fallen victim to hosting an Alien. This obviously suggested that there were not just one Alien but several. However, again, they didn't even expect to find one. all they expected to find was a faulty communications system. It wasn't until they entered the colony that they knew the Xenomorphs had made contact. The unit even had prior knowledge of how many Aliens there were when they decided to seek them out under the reactors. It was just poor leadership that denied them chance of victory.
It's very possible that the Aliens have heightened senses but i believe it is their telepathy that allows them to always find their enemies. As you know, there are several different classes of Aliens. A scout alien recons the area and even if it dies. What it sees is potentially transmitted to the entire hive.
If Frank tries to Hunt the Aliens, he has even less of a chance of survival. His only chance is to find a good defensible position and let some lead fly. Even if this strategy did prove to work, which it wouldn't. The Aliens would soon retreat if they kept failing to get him. These buggers are not mindless. They would retreat and try another strategy if swarming didn't work. Look at Aliens. The Aliens were feeling out the corridors which were defended by turrent guns. They kept progressing to see how much ammunition they had. A few hundred rounds later. The Aliens were content and obviously believed that the Marines had sufficient ammunition to stave off an all out swarm which is why they retreated from that tactic and then decided to find weaknesses in their perimeter and sneak up on them
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxBasic warfare, higher ground=advantage.
Smart enough definitely but skilled enough? The Aliens have the numbers and speed. What kind of higher ground are we talking about here anyway? Unless it is some giant pillar extending into the sky, i don't think high ground is going to do much for him.
Basic warfare, higher ground=advantage
If Frank tries to Hunt the Aliens, he has even less of a chance of survival. His only chance is to find a good defensible position and let some lead fly. Even if this strategy did prove to work, which it wouldn't. The Aliens would soon retreat if they kept failing to get him. These buggers are not mindless. They would retreat and try another strategy if swarming didn't work. Look at Aliens. The Aliens were feeling out the corridors which were defended by turrent guns. They kept progressing to see how much ammunition they had. A few hundred rounds later. The Aliens were content and obviously believed that the Marines had sufficient ammunition to stave off an all out swarm which is why they retreated from that tactic and then decided to find weaknesses in their perimeter and sneak up on them
~Sado
preds were being douches in AVP. one of 'em got pwned because he was ambushed, the other stood there like a dumbass trying to cyrax from mortal kombat when he could've killed it any time he wanted. the 3rd guy cleared the whole thing and f0cked the queen over.
frank's no douche. and he doesn't waste time.
oh and this is whichever version of Frank. doesn't matter.
~Sado