Sion runs the Gauntlet

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friggin dooku

Darth Truculent Truth is written in Blood

Ventress may have been stronger than some Jedi Masters, but she got her ass kicked my Mace, then Padawan Skywalker and Yoda. Imagine if she faced Revan or Malak? What if she faced Galen Marek? NJO Anakin Solo or LoTF Luke or Caedus? She would be pawned!

kotorfan Fruity Darth

Darth Truculent.. have u noticed that the people you just stated are in similar leagues with Yoda, Dooks, palpy, vader, nihilus, etc.

of course she would get pwned lol

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

You put Nihilus in there, why?

kotorfan Fruity Darth

isn't nihilus above vader, and below palpy?

or at least thats what I have been influenced to believe.

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Originally posted by kotorfan
isn't nihilus above vader, and below palpy?

or at least thats what I have been influenced to believe.

In terms of what?

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Ventress may have been stronger than some Jedi Masters, but she got her ass kicked my Mace, then Padawan Skywalker and Yoda. Imagine if she faced Revan or Malak? What if she faced Galen Marek? NJO Anakin Solo or LoTF Luke or Caedus? She would be pawned!

Mace, Padawan Skywalker and Yoda are all beasts by any definition of the word. Pitting her against top-tier combatants won't make her less deadly against Sion (who is most definitely not top-tier).

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
In terms of what?

TK. At least, that is what we have established him to be superior in. He might be good at guitar too...

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Then he's invincible unless convinced to die. What a terrible Deus ex Machina he'd make.

To get technical and break away from video-game mechanics, Sion will die in a lightsaber duel eventually, the blade's energy eventually reducing his biomass to ash. And we know next to nothing about his Force-prowess other than his pain thing and the same applies to his saber ability. KoooootOOOOR!!

In lieu of that, I'd say Kit kills him.

That's assuming that Sion doesn't have blade skills of his own. A blow that would be fatal to most, is not for Sion. So if Kit nailed him with a glancing blow or even managed to strike his torso, Sion can land his blow to kill Fisto just as he lands his.

The Exile had previous experience with Sion and that helped. Kit wouldn't have the same experience and if he dallies after landing a blow, Sion can still strike him since he lacks the physical vulnerabilities that would stop most people dead in their tracks.

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

Originally posted by Allankles
That's assuming that Sion doesn't have blade skills of his own. A blow that would be fatal to most, is not for Sion. So if Kit nailed him with a glancing blow or even managed to strike his torso, Sion can land his blow to kill Fisto just as he lands his.

And Kit is going to drop his guard right after he scores a glancing hit because... why?

Originally posted by Allankles

The Exile had previous experience with Sion and that helped.

Not on Korriban she didn't.
Originally posted by Allankles

Kit wouldn't have the same experience

He'd have the same amount as the Exile did on Korriban.
Originally posted by Allankles

and if he dallies after landing a blow,

Since when have Jedi been known for 'dallying'?
Originally posted by Allankles
Sion can still strike him since he lacks the physical vulnerabilities that would stop most people dead in their tracks.

If he gets his arm chopped off, his arm still falls off. If he gets bisected (a la Darth Maul) he still falls into two pieces.

Publius II Boss

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Since when have Jedi been known for 'dallying'?
Every SW movie ever. Darth Maul (Sith, but it stands) in TPM, Anakin and Dooku in AotC, ****ing everybody in RotS (Kit included), Obi-Wan in ANH, and Vader in ESB and RotJ (intentional).

So... yeah. EU characters are invulnerable to cinematic PIS, so they all win.

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Darth Truculent Truth is written in Blood

I don't think Kit would let his guard down at all. A halfway decent lightsaber artist wouldn't let their guard down until the fight was over.

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

Originally posted by Publius II
Every SW movie ever.

PIS...

Originally posted by Publius II

Darth Maul (Sith, but it stands) in TPM,

That is confirmed PIS, so get that SH*T outa here. BIATCH. (Or something. You get the point.)

Originally posted by Publius II

Anakin and Dooku in AotC,

During their duel the two have a brief moment where they disengage. That isn't letting down their guard. That is them taking a short breather to reflect on their opponent's defenses. Haven't you ever watched a boxing match? It's like that.

Originally posted by Publius II

****ing everybody in RotS (Kit included),

Those people weren't in duels/combat with the clones and you know it. This is a weak example. During a one on one combat situation Kit's attention will be focused on the Sion. Unless the OP would like to ammend the situation to include a 'fought together (with unquestioning loyalty) to save a galaxy spanning government for years' clause in the Kit/Sion relationship, this simply won't work.

Originally posted by Publius II

Obi-Wan in ANH,

Was done intentionally to give Luke/Leia/Han time to escape from Vader. Also: PIS.

Originally posted by Publius II

and Vader in ESB and RotJ (intentional).

k

Originally posted by Publius II

So... yeah. EU characters are invulnerable to cinematic PIS, so they all win.

Or not.

I had thought that you were serious until I got to here. Sweet baby Yahwe I'm dumb.

Originally posted by Publius II

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This should be 2076 for me.

Publius II Boss

Originally posted by A MORON
I had thought that you were serious until I got to here. Sweet baby Yahwe I'm dumb.
You disturb me sometimes.

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During their duel the two have a brief moment where they disengage. That isn't letting down their guard. That is them taking a short breather to reflect on their opponent's defenses. Haven't you ever watched a boxing match? It's like that.
This is wrong, anyway. Anakin visibly pauses with his arm extended before Dooku relieves him of it, and the Count earlier pauses before swinging his lightsaber down to finish off Obi-Wan. They "dallied."

Had you read the post before responding to it, you would've known I was being facetious, assmunch.

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by Red Nemesis

And Kit is going to drop his guard right after he scores a glancing hit because... why?[/B]

Who said anything about dropping his guard? Sion (I would imagine) could employ a kamikaze tactic. Fight evenly, show an opening to deliberately open up your opponent and then strike as the opponent moves to impale or land a blow. Decapitations or even removal of limbs might be a side effect, but Kit won't know Sion is a virtual immortal in their first encounter.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis

Not on Korriban she didn't.
[/B]

She had the benefit of Kreia telling her to escape while she could.
Fisto wouldn't have the same luck.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Since when have Jedi been known for 'dallying'?[/B]

Dallying could mean a brief pose. Anyway, dallying wouldn't be necessary if Sion simply used an effective kamikaze tactic.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
If he gets his arm chopped off, his arm still falls off. If he gets bisected (a la Darth Maul) he still falls into two pieces. [/B]

I'd assume this is possible for Sion but I believe his body is already in pieces and being kept together by the dark side. I doubt he can be cut to pieces like other people simply because his body was broken to pieces several times and then reconstituted by Sion, it was probably done to make him invulnerable to some degree.

Gideon Restricted

Do we have any sources to corroborate Sion's skills with a lightsaber? We already know that Fisto is regarded as a "celebrated swordsmaster"

Publius II Boss

Who single-handedly overpowered General Grievous, no less.

Cpt. Valerian Republic Navy

Was it really 'single-handedly', though?

Invictus Legio Restricted

Technically, he could pull a Kenpachi(the fight with tousen, the blind dude) and kill most of everybody here.

Except, ironically enough, Kitty.

Zannah power looked like the Fear power and not even particularly advanced, that being said, given that using the force in the middle of a fight seemed much more prevalent during Sion's time it's much more likely he'd been trained to resist such sad mockery of Sith magic.

Dooku would probably be able to convince him to die( you're an antique, blah blah blah whatever)

Maul gets killed in some brutal pragmatic manner with Sion using his ability function even with injuries enough to kill almost anyone else ten times over.

Ventress is a good warm-up, kinda like a Blood startin shit with a Spetnaz...Seriously, I've seen the Kotor hate but come on WTF!?

Cpt. Valerian Republic Navy

Seems more like 'PT hate & illogical thinking'.

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

Originally posted by Invictus Legio
Technically, he could pull a Kenpachi(the fight with tousen, the blind dude) and kill most of everybody here.

Except, ironically enough, Kitty.


I don't know what these words mean. A quick Google search reveals some sort of anime character, but you can't have meant him. I know this because of one of the seventeen fundamental truths of the internet: Anime sucks.

Originally posted by Invictus Legio

Zannah power looked like the Fear power and not even particularly advanced, that being said, given that using the force in the middle of a fight seemed much more prevalent during Sion's time it's much more likely he'd been trained to resist such sad mockery of Sith magic.

Could you explain why it didn't look 'particularly advanced' and your basis for calling it a 'sad mockery of Sith magic'?

Using the Force during a fight was more common (prevalent) during Sion's time? In a comparison between opportunities to use offensive Force powers, the Ruusan era Sith and Jedi come out on top. They are in more frequent contact with enemy Force users than combatants during KotOR 2's time period. On top of that, we have established cases of Zannah's teacher (Bane) using a defense against enemy Force attacks. It is likely that he taught Zannah this power. Kreia (Sion's teacher?) hasn't been shown to do this, nor has Sion. There is no indication that Sion would be able to defend himself from Force attacks.

Originally posted by Invictus Legio

Dooku would probably be able to convince him to die( you're an antique, blah blah blah whatever)

k

Originally posted by Invictus Legio

Maul gets killed in some brutal pragmatic manner with Sion using his ability function even with injuries enough to kill almost anyone else ten times over.

Ignoring PIS, why would Maul (an absurdly talented swordsman) get killed by Sion (who hasn't got any saber Feats to speak of) or even be given a challenge?
Originally posted by Invictus Legio

Ventress is a good warm-up, kinda like a Blood startin shit with a Spetnaz...Seriously, I've seen the Kotor hate but come on WTF!?

Ventress is a warm up? Are you cereal? She has a greater mastery of the Force (as evidenced by her having mastery over the Force) and is an exceptionally talented duelist. She had killed ~17 Jedi (maybe?) before the conclusion of the Clone Wars and gave Skywalker fits in some of their duels.

There is nothing to suggest that Sion could overcome any of these foes, let alone an upper tier combatant like Maul.