Byakuya vs. Sesshomaru

Started by LDHZenkai5 pages

Originally posted by niduin
what??? being able to outrun someone that makes it apear he is 3 people cuz he is so fast, thats not impresive? when has sesshomaru shown to be that fast (and distances dont count, just cuz you can go really fast in a straight line doesnt mean you can fight just as fast)

In sesshomarus bio it says he moves so fast he leaves afterimages. thats the same thing you're talking about. And sessh has shown that he can turn into an energy ball and transport himself and others over vast distances in mere seconds.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
In sesshomarus bio it says he moves so fast he leaves afterimages. thats the same thing you're talking about. And sessh has shown that he can turn into an energy ball and transport himself and others over vast distances in mere seconds.
its not quite the same thing, it wasnt like an image of the person or a shadow or anything like that, there were actually 3 of the guy and it was like there were 3 guys attacking at once, actually i think he got up to 5 guys im not sure tho

Originally posted by niduin
its not quite the same thing, it wasnt like an image of the person or a shadow or anything like that, there were actually 3 of the guy and it was like there were 3 guys attacking at once, actually i think he got up to 5 guys im not sure tho

I'm sure that's what it seems like when sesshomaru attacks too. Leaving an after image means he's moving so fast he gets to another point before either a.)he gets there before the lights reflects off of him to your eyes, or b.) he moves so fast you're mind can't process the speed. They're probably moving at around the same speed they just depict the perception different from the other person.

well im sorry but you cant win an argument by saying its "probably" this way, you dont know he could do that all you know is that he can make an after image of himself while running in a strait line, that is completely different than moving back and forth in the same path over and over so fast it apears you are 3-5 people, just saying he could probably do it does not mean he can and the fact tha he has never shown to be that fast means he cant be that fast

Originally posted by niduin
well im sorry but you cant win an argument by saying its "probably" this way, you dont know he could do that all you know is that he can make an after image of himself while running in a strait line, that is completely different than moving back and forth in the same path over and over so fast it apears you are 3-5 people, just saying he could probably do it does not mean he can and the fact tha he has never shown to be that fast means he cant be that fast

Did you miss the entire episode on inuyasha where Sesshomaru turned into his orb thing and flew across the countryside to catch Rin from falling (it took rin all day to get there on Aah-un). Sesshomaru has never moved in a circle so fast as to cause 5 images to appear but that is exactly the same thing as moving so fast as to cause an after image. Unless you just don't understand anything about what an after image is? But yea he's never had to move that fast b/c he kills or beats whoever he is fighting after moving once or twice. And please explain to me how moving in a circle making five images is different than running in a straight line? If anything it shows you're going slower since you're moving in a circle. It's like saying a flan blade is moving faster than a bullet b/c u can see multiple blades all at once. It's a circle...moving semi fast in a circle has that effect. So in closing, he's shown to traverse greater distances faster, and b.) your moving in a circle and making an afterimage is faster than making one when you go in a straight line is completely and totally incorrect.

Yours Truly,

Zenkai

*shakes head* ok it is a lot easyer to get to higher speeds moving in a strait line. one after image is not the same as fighting someone with 5 clones of yourself made soaly on your ability to move fast, with sesshomaru's after immage has he ever attacked with it? cuz this guy could cuz his isnt an "image" its actually him in 5 places at once (almost) cuz he is moving THAT FAST i dont know how else to explain this, how do you even think that they are the same thing. and the fact that moving in circles is slower is exactly my point, its harder to get to high speeds in a circle, so tell me has sesshomaru ever done anything like that? used his after image to attack someone or make 5 after images of himself to attack someone? i didnt think so

Originally posted by niduin
*shakes head* ok it is a lot easyer to get to higher speeds moving in a strait line. one after image is not the same as fighting someone with 5 clones of yourself made soaly on your ability to move fast, with sesshomaru's after immage has he ever attacked with it? cuz this guy could cuz his isnt an "image" its actually him in 5 places at once (almost) cuz he is moving THAT FAST i dont know how else to explain this, how do you even think that they are the same thing. and the fact that moving in circles is slower is exactly my point, its harder to get to high speeds in a circle, so tell me has sesshomaru ever done anything like that? used his after image to attack someone or make 5 after images of himself to attack someone? i didnt think so

It's clear to me you have no idea what on earth you're talking about. You completely did not understood the analogy i made earlier. And it was the simplest one I could think of. So alas I believe all hope is lost in trying to explain this to you, therefore I'm not going to try again, as I cannot think of a simpler way. As far as getting to faster speeds going in a straight line....it doesn't matter he instantly disappeared leaving the image. He's done it and came out behind people or beside them...so he doesn't need to necessarily move in a straight line. And you never addressed the thing of Sesshomaru traveling the same distance it took ah-un a day to do in mere seconds. You also never explained what Byakuya could do once sesshomaru cuts him. Sesshomaru also is much stronger in his demon dog form than his normal human form. When in that form he releases a poisonous gas that we have no reason to believe wouldn't cripple Byakuya.

hm that sounded like an argument to me, i thought you were done lol jk. ok as for the traveling great distances i thought i did talk about that when i said its much easyer to travel in strait lines at great speeds than in circles, and also just because he can vanish and reapear behind someone (as far as that persons perseption is concerned) doesnt mean he is fast enough to make 3 clones of himself from speed. HOW DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? and so far we havent even gottet to the point where byakuya would have to do anything if sesshomaru cuts him cuz you havent proven that he is fast enough to cut him, you should be asking what sesshomaru would do against his bankai dont think he is fast enough to defend against that. as for the poison i think byakuya is smart enough not to get caught in some poison gas, if it would even effect him he also has lots of spells that would cripple sesshomaru and that would hurt him from a distance.

also even if sesshomaru is capable of what im arguing against doenst mean he would win either, like i said byakuya beet the person that was that fast, and byakuya is extremely resorsful he knows lots of spells that would allone probably kill sesshromaru, and his bankai is almost non defendable

Originally posted by niduin
hm that sounded like an argument to me, i thought you were done lol jk. ok as for the traveling great distances i thought i did talk about that when i said its much easyer to travel in strait lines at great speeds than in circles, and also just because he can vanish and reapear behind someone (as far as that persons perseption is concerned) doesnt mean he is fast enough to make 3 clones of himself from speed. HOW DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? and so far we havent even gottet to the point where byakuya would have to do anything if sesshomaru cuts him cuz you havent proven that he is fast enough to cut him, you should be asking what sesshomaru would do against his bankai dont think he is fast enough to defend against that. as for the poison i think byakuya is smart enough not to get caught in some poison gas, if it would even effect him he also has lots of spells that would cripple sesshomaru and that would hurt him from a distance.

also even if sesshomaru is capable of what im arguing against doenst mean he would win either, like i said byakuya beet the person that was that fast, and byakuya is extremely resorsful he knows lots of spells that would allone probably kill sesshromaru, and his bankai is almost non defendable


Sesshomaru has never been shown to be hurt by holy magic (which im assuming is what they use) he's also been shown to not be affected by other magics as well. Here's a list of Sesshomaru's powers:
Attacks
Dokkasō (Poison Flower Claw): Sesshomaru's claws release deadly acidic poison which can melt flesh. Sometimes he uses it like InuYasha uses his Sankon Tessō attack, but he can also use it to spray venomous acid from his fingertips.
Whip of Light: Can generate a thin whiplike strand of energy from his fingertips that can slice through almost anything.
Dragon Strike: It is his signature move but it is mainly seen in the movies (three times in the third and twice in the fourth). It's strength is comparable to his brothers Backlashwave. The Dragon Strike takes on the form of a dragon-like lighting by Sesshomaru waving his sword in the air and from there it takes form. He can also put in the ground which allows him break an enemy's barrier.
[edit]Abilities and traits
Flight: ability to hover in the sky or generate a sparkling dust cloud to ride on.
Super Speed: ability to move at blinding speed in short bursts, Sesshomaru can move faster than the eye can see, both on land and through the air. When he does this in the anime, he leaves behind a fast-moving blur. He can also instantaneously close long distances without being detected by others.
Super Strength: Sesshomaru possesses physical strength far beyond that of a normal demon; he was able to easily lift InuYasha by the throat into the air with one hand in one of their earlier encounters. In addition, Sesshomaru was seen carrying the boulder-sized demon head of Goshinki in one hand with little to no effort. In the InuYasha profiles manga, Rumiko stated that Sesshomaru has Herculean strength, even with only one arm; his strength with only one arm is double that of InuYasha's full strength; InuYasha's strength allows him to lift a 9 to 10 ton boulder using one arm with little effort, so Sesshomaru would naturally be capable of lifting double that or far more with the same amount of effort.
Teleportation: ability to morph into a ball of energy and move over great distances over a short amount of time.
Psionics: Though Sesshomaru's psionic capabilities have never been specifically quantified, he has demonstrated powerful feats of both telepathy and telekinesis in both the anime and manga. Examples of such being his ability to mentally levitate and fling skulls at Inuyasha and Kagome in the anime's 7th episode; as well as his ability to overwhelm Goshinki's powerful telepathic aura in order to claim Tokijin as his own.
Taiyōkai: As the descendent of a great dog demon lord, naturally Sesshōmaru is a far superior yōkai with heightened senses, intelligence and strength. While he appears to be an elf-eared human bearing splendid clothing and armor most of the time; he can transform into his true form at will, which is that of a gigantic acid-breathing flying canine with fluffy white fur.
Immortality: Being a demon, Sesshomaru does not suffer from old age the way humans do. He appears to be a young man in his 20s, however he has been around for at least a few hundred years1.
Items
Mokomoko: Sesshomaru has a tail that he uses every once in a while, he once used its to grab InuYasha. It can be extended to great lengths and used to whip or constrict people. (As proof that it is a tail it bleeds in Movie Three of InuYasha)
Weapons
Bakusaiga: After the destruction of the Tokijin, Sesshomaru obtained a new sword called Bakusaiga that looks like a No-dachi. It has the power to destroy thousands of demons with one swing and can decompose any organic material the blade cuts. The latter ability stops the regeneration in any body part that he cuts off with it.

If you look at the strength level Byakuya wouldn't even be able to block a swing from sesshomaru. Sesshi has strength enough to lift around 35 tons with one arm using little effort. And Byakuya doesn't create 3 clones of himself....he just moves so fast the eye can't tell which one is really him. thats the same thing sesshomaru does. He moves so fast you cant see him and it looks like he's still standing there. It is easier to achieve that effect when you move around in a circle then it is if you're moving in any other way (unless you ignore physics and practical sense). Also, people in Bleach get exhausted and tired....Sesshomaru doesn't. So here we have Sesshomaru: Resistant to all magic and spells we've seen, equally as fast, much much stronger, equal if not greater destructive force (he can destroy a thousand demons with one swing...no one in bleach has ever done anything close).

What? People in Bleach get tired because they're actually fighting skilled opponents, Sesshomaru never really fights anyone. When he killed 1,000 demons, they were all the lowest of the low, meaning that anyone in Bleach with a wide spread attack could do that.

Yamamoto
All hollow(Cero)
Ichigo
Chad
Ishida
Just about every other shinigami.

An you're not realizing that Byakuya fought Zommari Leroux, a guy who could make 5 tangible after images, so perfect that they could actually bleed, and be affected by attacks. Byakuya beat him with most of his tendons severed, he takes Sesshomaru. And with his own Shunpo speed, plus his Shikai/Bankia, he wins...easily.

Originally posted by KingD19
What? People in Bleach get tired because they're actually fighting skilled opponents, Sesshomaru never really fights anyone. When he killed 1,000 demons, they were all the lowest of the low, meaning that anyone in Bleach with a wide spread attack could do that.

Yamamoto
All hollow(Cero)
Ichigo
Chad
Ishida
Just about every other shinigami.

An you're not realizing that Byakuya fought Zommari Leroux, a guy who could make 5 tangible after images, so perfect that they could actually bleed, and be affected by attacks. Byakuya beat him with most of his tendons severed, he takes Sesshomaru. And with his own Shunpo speed, plus his Shikai/Bankia, he wins...easily.


Sesshomaru hasn't fought any strong opponents? Inuyasha is physically stronger than anyone in bleach (he can lift over 10 tons with one arm with apparent ease) and sesshomaru beats him with one arm with apparent ease. Even when Inuyasha is amped by different effects. So if anything Byakuya would exert all his energy just to block one attack from sesshomaru. And you can't just say a character in bleach is faster when you have no evidence of it. Sesshomaru has moved quickly before he just usually doesn't need to use it in a fight because he is so much more powerful than everyone else. I'm not saying Sesshomaru wins this in a stomp or anything I'm just saying actually prove he loses based on facts not your opinion that the bleachverse is so much more powerful just because you like it better.

Also as far as Byakuyas attacks killing Sesshomaru no problem at all...here's a video of him fighting the War God of Fire. this also takes place when he's about 1/2 as strong as he is currently. You can see he doesn't even try and is very casual while defeating a god. He doesn't even bother to dodge the fire god's main attack and instead just blocks it with his demonic aura. YouTube video
(in case the video doesn't work: here

Originally posted by LDHZenkai

If you look at the strength level Byakuya wouldn't even be able to block a swing from sesshomaru. Sesshi has strength enough to lift around 35 tons with one arm using little effort. And Byakuya doesn't create 3 clones of himself....he just moves so fast the eye can't tell which one is really him. thats the same thing sesshomaru does. He moves so fast you cant see him and it looks like he's still standing there. It is easier to achieve that effect when you move around in a circle then it is if you're moving in any other way (unless you ignore physics and practical sense). Also, people in Bleach get exhausted and tired....Sesshomaru doesn't. So here we have Sesshomaru: Resistant to all magic and spells we've seen, equally as fast, much much stronger, equal if not greater destructive force (he can destroy a thousand demons with one swing...no one in bleach has ever done anything close).
ok with the strength feat you are wrong its 20 tons with one arm and thats a joke to a captain, ichigo esily blocked an atack that was the power of 1 million zanpactos with his sword resting on his back as he said hi rukia, then later almost lost to byakuya (he only won cuz his holow self came out). for the moving faster than the eye can see well that would be the untrained eye cuz byakuya does the same thing its called flashstep, and no if sesshomaru moved his fastest in a circle it wouldnt make 5 clones of himself this guy isn't just moving fast in circles he is controlling it so much that as far as your concerned they are actually clones and like it was stated above they even bleed and dont bring up physics we are talking about demons and death gods physics dont apply. just because he has resisted holy spell from the anime doesnt mean he can resist all of byakuyas, even if he does they would slow him down, and the destructive force is a joke to him also it is irrelevent even if he can kill more with one attack, its one on one not a demon killing contest we are talking about direct attacks, and byakuyas bankai is far more deadly and can not by defended against by sesshomaru, he would get cut to peices, thats really all he has to do there is nothing else to argue about the question is can sesshomaru get out of byakuyas bankai?

We haven't even talked about all the high level kido spells Byakuya can use.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Inuyasha is physically stronger than anyone in bleach (he can lift over 10 tons with one arm with apparent ease)
have you ever watched bleach? kenpachi lifts a giant mountain with ease in bleach movie 2, when ichigo was fighting grimjow he was hit by 5 spikes that were capable of destroying skyscraper sized building each and was still standing, when ichigo and kenpachi were fighting their attacks shockwave was enough to destroy nearby buildings, kenpachis spirit energy is enough to make most death gods pass out just from the shear weight of it. honestly i dont see how you can think that sesshomaru could even stand a chance

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Also as far as Byakuyas attacks killing Sesshomaru no problem at all...here's a video of him fighting the War God of Fire. this also takes place when he's about 1/2 as strong as he is currently. You can see he doesn't even try and is very casual while defeating a god. He doesn't even bother to dodge the fire god's main attack and instead just blocks it with his demonic aura. YouTube video
(in case the video doesn't work: here
sesshomaru is such a bad ass, that was awesome. but still not anything near what happens in bleach, i really want to know if you have watche any of the main fights in bleach

oh here is a really good example of byakuya using his bankai and another technique of his, keep in mind that is not the full potential of his bankai when he used it on ichigo he had over a thousand swords before it scattered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn042YqTT5s

Originally posted by niduin
ok with the strength feat you are wrong its 20 tons with one arm and thats a joke to a captain, ichigo esily blocked an atack that was the power of 1 million zanpactos with his sword resting on his back as he said hi rukia, then later almost lost to byakuya (he only won cuz his holow self came out). for the moving faster than the eye can see well that would be the untrained eye cuz byakuya does the same thing its called flashstep, and no if sesshomaru moved his fastest in a circle it wouldnt make 5 clones of himself this guy isn't just moving fast in circles he is controlling it so much that as far as your concerned they are actually clones and like it was stated above they even bleed and dont bring up physics we are talking about demons and death gods physics dont apply. just because he has resisted holy spell from the anime doesnt mean he can resist all of byakuyas, even if he does they would slow him down, and the destructive force is a joke to him also it is irrelevent even if he can kill more with one attack, its one on one not a demon killing contest we are talking about direct attacks, and byakuyas bankai is far more deadly and can not by defended against by sesshomaru, he would get cut to peices, thats really all he has to do there is nothing else to argue about the question is can sesshomaru get out of byakuyas bankai?

He's shrugged off attacks from Gods....but someone who is far below a God is going to slow him down with magic attacks? Explain to me the reasoning behind that one? And saying "Bleach is stronger than Inuyasha" isn't an explanation. Also, no one in bleach has shown to be as strong as Sesshomaru. And I'm not wrong about the strength feat it's in the Inuyasha profile manga. it says he can easily lift double or more with the same amount of effort Inuyasha uses. It never says 20 tons is the max he can lift with one arm it says 20 tons is the very least(also the profile was released before Sesshomaru became as powerful as he is at the end of the manga). And you still haven't proven that Byakuya is faster. Your argument is that he's faster b/c he makes it appear as if theres five of him attacking. that's what it appears like captains. How do you know that captains senses are better than that of Inuyashas or the other demons? As a demon their senses are multitudes beyond that of humans...and as a daiyokai Sesshomaru is legs above every other demon in the Inuyasha universe. As far as blocking byakuyas zanpaktou...all it is is a ton of little swords made of spiritual energy. Sesshomaru has at no point shown a weakness to spiritual powers of enemies (even the most high priestesses) but we're to assume that byakuya will hurt him? he has his demonic aura which blocks nearly everything, his new sword can create a blast around himself which i would imagine is more powerful than byakuyas being as a single hit from it kills ANY opponent.

If I'm not mistaken, all those attacks he does with Tokijin, are impossible to do....without Tokijin.

really have you EVER watched bleach, cuz for one thing byakuya is technicaly a god, and you saying that he is way lower than a god simply because he isnt a god himself hurts your argument more than it helps, since sesshomaru beet the god but he himself is not a god so why woulndt someone else who isnt a god be able to? also his bankai is not little blades of spiritual energy its just little blades, and how do you know that sesshomaru would be uneffected by the blades if they were? show me proof that he cant be hurt by spirit power.