Thanos Vs Final Crisis Darkseid

Originally posted by kevdude
True, they can keep saying whatever they want over and over its all been debunked many times over. The Guardians even state "They have Word-Weapons capable of enslaving Souls" that's the ALE, and read the whole thing not only half OneDumb "The destructive emanations of Darkseid" you leave out the end for some strange reason... 😮‍💨

Why you continue to ignore it, is seriously beyond me. It's either you come up with excuses like, "That isn't what he really meant," or you completely ignore things like Omega Finder Beams being fired by humans and refuse to even speak about it.

Talk about IDLI, IDH.

You guys asked for proof the ALE could affect time and space I gave it. You asked for proof the ALE could do more than control minds on-panel and I gave it. I don't even need to talk about the correlative evidence of the Life Equation, Cain and Spectre's own words, etc. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And the "destructive emanations" were put in quotes to correct your use of "destructive energies." I never disassociated it from Darkseid. Wasn't it obvious we were talking about the destructive emanations of Darkseid? So do please try to focus on the substance of my argument rather than find some strained ulterior motive that wouldn't even have any bearing on the substance of the conversation. Like I said, the association game doesn't work, especially when you have Doom running around with his limitless power or infinite might or etc. etc. etc. when in fact it's his acquired Beyonder power. That line you pulled is not proof either way. But when placed next to the scans, it's pretty obvious what they refer to.

Originally posted by kevdude
Btw using DTNG when Morrison already brought that story in line to Final Crisis fixing the ALE being as not what really happened

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
you can act like I haven't proven anything. Except that I posted on-panel proof that the ALE broke time and space and everything, irrespective of Darkseid's true manifestation. I also posted proof that he could use the ALE to literally have Earth's population become his body:

Why you continue to ignore it, is seriously beyond me. It's either you come up with excuses like, "That isn't what he really meant," or you completely ignore things like Omega Finder Beams being fired by humans and refuse to even speak about it.

Talk about IDLI, IDH.

You guys asked for proof the ALE could affect time and space I gave it. You asked for proof the ALE could do more than control minds on-panel and I gave it. I don't even need to talk about the correlative evidence of the Life Equation, Cain and Spectre's own words, etc. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And the "destructive emanations" were put in quotes to correct your use of "destructive energies." I never disassociated it from Darkseid. Wasn't it obvious we were talking about the destructive emanations of Darkseid? So do please try to focus on the substance of my argument rather than find some strained ulterior motive that wouldn't even have any bearing on the substance of the conversation. Like I said, the association game doesn't work, especially when you have Doom running around with his limitless power or infinite might or etc. etc. etc. when in fact it's his acquired Beyonder power. That line you pulled is not proof either way. But when placed next to the scans, it's pretty obvious what they refer to.
Have no idea what this means.

What does Darkseid using the ALE on the billions of people and making them his body and them shooting the Omega Beams out of there eyes = cracking space/time?? I don't get that.. Also you qouted the AL Entity as being what really happened in DTNG but it was shown in Secret Files that was not what happened only what Superman could comprehend.... 😕

Originally posted by kevdude
What does Darkseid using the ALE on the billions of people and making them his body and them shooting the Omega Beams out of there eyes = cracking space/time?? I don't get that.. Also you qouted the AL Entity as being what really happened in DTNG but it was shown in Secret Files that was not what happened only what Superman could comprehend.... 😕

I think I mentioned Cosmic Odyssey. And the only reason I mentioned it was in response to you guys trying to pull double-standards. On one hand, you guys were arguing that I should use prior history to judge that the ALE was never anything more than mind-control. But on the othe hand, you insisted I ignore any prior history that showed the ALE to be more than just mind-control. I dealt with this in the other thread. Fangirl101 had a valid argument that all pre-Final Crisis stories are invalid for judging either Darkseid's power, because we've never truly comprehended his true form before. The same damn thing applies to the true scope of the ALE's scope, especially since Grant himself talked about it being the ultimate concept, etc. etc.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Straw-man. I laid out your arguments very clearly in my posts. Don't reduce yourself to straw-man. You guys have continually asserted, up until the point I posted these scans, that: 1) the ALE has never been shown to be anything other than mind-control... it's nothing more, nothing less; and 2) the ALE has never been shown to even affect time and space. I showed you two scans that completely disprove those assertions. So counter it. But you know you can't. So why keep acting like you've "debunked" the scans? They're there and they ain't going away.

I think I mentioned Cosmic Odyssey. And the only reason I mentioned it was in response to you guys trying to pull double-standards. On one hand, you guys were arguing that I should use prior history to judge that the ALE was never anything more than mind-control. But on the othe hand, you insisted I ignore any prior history that showed the ALE to be more than just mind-control. I dealt with this in the other thread. Fangirl101 had a valid argument that all pre-Final Crisis stories are invalid for judging either Darkseid's power, because we've never truly comprehended his true form before. The same damn thing applies to the true scope of the ALE's scope, especially since Grant himself talked about it being the ultimate concept, etc. etc.

Cosmic Oddyssey was retconned. DOTNG was the source entity not the ALE and even that part with the Source was retconned as being Supes p.o.v. and the way his mind understood the Source and DS' struggle with it. So DOTNG, Red Orion etc are consistent.

😂 I have never said to not take everything in there history as not true but I only half true of what can be comprehended.. Grant said "The Source" is the ultimate concept, it is the beginning and the end.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No.

But he does beat DS.

Even though DS could drain Thanos PC or saunction him forcing him to relive his defeat to Drax for all eternity.....Eny you got some s'plaining to do.

Originally posted by kgkg
I don't know if this helps

That talks about power output and his losses to superman and DD to name some were avatars?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Even though DS could drain Thanos PC or saunction him forcing him to relive his defeat to Drax for all eternity.....Eny you got some s'plaining to do.

Wrong on the first count, and Thanos' shielding prevents the second.

Nobody is denying DS uses avatars but where does it say that in every loss to supes it was an avatar?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nobody is denying DS uses avatars but where does it say that in every loss to supes it was an avatar?

They'll bring up FC 5. Which IMO, is simply Darkseid's ego talking when he says they've only faced the idea of a god. It's not somekind of retcon. It's just Darkseid's been more powerful than ever, so he calls himself god. Much like he goes around calling himself omnipotent, or how he says, "I. Am. The. New. God." When clearly, he isn't.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Wrong on the first count, and Thanos' shielding prevents the second.

You mean the shields Galactus broke with 2 generic blast....and exactly why can't a multiversal God like DS drain low level skyfather like Thanos. Even his avatars that operate on a mere fraction of his power were able to drain powerful cosmic entities....seriosuly I don't even see why ur arguing Thanos would win.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nobody is denying DS uses avatars but where does it say that in every loss to supes it was an avatar?

There are 2 legitimate loses and one was when Supes was sun amped.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
....seriosuly I don't even see why ur arguing Thanos would win.

Because I can? And because Darkseid did nothing in FC to lead me to believe he can win here? Classic Darkseid has a better shot than Turpin-Darkseid.

????? Causing a mutliversal singularity by his mere presence is suddenly underwhealming....not to mention he could simply duplicate any of his previous canon feats but at a multiversal level. Although u r the same guy who thinks Thanos stalemated Odin so why am I even bothering.

Thanos blasts him. DS's body dies. And then we get into stalemate territory. As a wise person recently said:

Originally posted by iceman24567
I know there is nothing to debate close this thread please.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos blasts him. DS's body dies. And then we get into stalemate territory. As a wise person recently said:

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos blasts him. DS's body dies. And then we get into stalemate territory. As a wise person recently said:

Nah, multiversal deity>low skyfather.

I guess not.

Originally posted by Allankles
So you're comparing Meph with DS?

Meph doesn't even operate the same way. A better comparison would be Meph and Neron as both deal with the souls of the deceased. DS on the other hands doesn't concern himself with the final resting place of souls, he merely uses the authority of the concept of evil to devour souls.

A dark soul has no authority to deny him and he can forcibly infect noble souls, and is nourished by their struggles. The more noble the soul the more it struggles and the better it feeds him.

Again, you keep restating yourself over and over again with NO proof this would work on anyone close to Thanos.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Possibly...but since this is FC Darkseid, and that version of DS never used the ALE himself to affect anyone...I don't see what there is to debate.

IMO Thanos could kill DS's body. Then after that, it kind of looks like a stalemate.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So aside from dumshits trolling, is there a serious argument Thanos could even scratch a multiversal deity?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Even though DS could drain Thanos PC or saunction him forcing him to relive his defeat to Drax for all eternity.....Eny you got some s'plaining to do.