Protege vs classic Beyonder

Started by fangirl1017 pages

Originally posted by King Kandy
LT has always been Omniversal. He always ruled over the whole of marvel comics.
Nope. Omniverse means everything. That would mean he ruled over the beyond wrealm too since that would be part of the omniverse. Obviously that wasn't the case back in those days. Thus the LT wasn't omniversal back then. you lose. case closed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not in Marvel.
It is for this thread.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Nope. Omniverse means everything. That would mean he ruled over the beyond wrealm too since that would be part of the omniverse. Obviously that wasn't the case back in those days. Thus the LT wasn't omniversal back then. you lose. case closed.

Well the beyond realm was an exception I mean every now and then something escapes his grasp. Like, he didn't rule over Thanos w/ THOTU but he was still omniversal. Beyond realm was just something that was too powerful for him, nothing to do with his stasis.

you all know beyonder takes this

Originally posted by Mindset
It is for this thread.
So sayith Mindset!!! 馃槢

awesome

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well the beyond realm was an exception I mean every now and then something escapes his grasp. Like, he didn't rule over Thanos w/ THOTU but he was still omniversal. Beyond realm was just something that was too powerful for him, nothing to do with his stasis.

Fail. His status has nothing to do with his power. You are equating his status with his power lvl. Not true. At the time, he wasn't even the most powerful being. Molecule man was. And Molecule man wasn't omniversal. So that fails anyway. LT wasn't omniversal. The beyond wrealm is part of the omniverse that the lt now presides over. Which means that at this point, it doesn't escape his grasp. Back then, it did. He cannot be as powerful then as he is now. which means the beyonder is still a tard and a loser with no actual battle feats on any omniversal or even megaversal lvl.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Fail. His status has nothing to do with his power. You are equating his status with his power lvl. Not true. At the time, he wasn't even the most powerful being. Molecule man was. And Molecule man wasn't omniversal. So that fails anyway. LT wasn't omniversal. The beyond wrealm is part of the omniverse that the lt now presides over. Which means that at this point, it doesn't escape his grasp. Back then, it did. He cannot be as powerful then as he is now. which means the beyonder is still a tard and a loser with no actual battle feats on any omniversal or even megaversal lvl.

LT was omniversal before the beyond realm even existed. Beyond realm was just an anomaly. He got back on top no problem like it has never happened. Actually it did never happen, it was retconned. Even in that case Beyonder would be Omniversal since he was >Beyond and multiverse realms.

Originally posted by King Kandy
LT was omniversal before the beyond realm even existed. Beyond realm was just an anomaly. He got back on top no problem like it has never happened. Actually it did never happen, it was retconned. Even in that case Beyonder would be Omniversal since he was >Beyond and multiverse realms.

If it never happened,Then the beyonder has no omniversal feats. As it is, you cannot have an omniverse unless all is included. That is what Omni stands for. Omniverse includes the beyond wrealm or what used to be the beyond wrealm. In the series, the beyond wrealm was everything out side of the marvel MULTIVERSE. So the lt was Not omniversal, he was multiversal as the beyonder's wrealm was everything else. But today, the lt presides over everything including the beyond wrealm which happens to be the rest of the omniverse now.

The beyonder also has no battle feats to speak of save the molecule man. Who was not Omniversal.

Originally posted by fangirl101
If it never happened,Then the beyonder has no omniversal feats. As it is, you cannot have an omniverse unless all is included. That is what Omni stands for. Omniverse includes the beyond wrealm or what used to be the beyond wrealm. In the series, the beyond wrealm was everything out side of the marvel MULTIVERSE. So the lt was Not omniversal, he was multiversal as the beyonder's wrealm was everything else. But today, the lt presides over everything including the beyond wrealm which happens to be the rest of the omniverse now.

The beyonder also has no battle feats to speak of save the molecule man. Who was not Omniversal.


Molecule man was as omniversal as they come, since he had powers beyond the multiverse. It seems you are now the one confusing status and power since you use LT's status as multiversal judge to mean he does not have the power to control more. LT has never changed at all, he is the same LT he always was. Just had a meaningless job title change. Adding the beyond realm to the marvel omniverse meant nothing in terms of LT's power.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Molecule man was as omniversal as they come, since he had powers beyond the multiverse. It seems you are now the one confusing status and power since you use LT's status as multiversal judge to mean he does not have the power to control more. LT has never changed at all, he is the same LT he always was. Just had a meaningless job title change. Adding the beyond realm to the marvel omniverse meant nothing in terms of LT's power.
That's a lie. The LT's power is given to him by the The one above all who. If there is no Omniverse to judge over, there is no power to judge. It's silly to even suggest the LT was omniversal when the series it self said that the beyond wrealm was everything outside of the multiverse. The attempt is sad and fails. The omniverse =the marvel multiverse of 84 + the beyond wrealm. Period.

Originally posted by fangirl101
That's a lie. The LT's power is given to him by the The one above all who. If there is no Omniverse to judge over, there is no power to judge. It's silly to even suggest the LT was omniversal when the series it self said that the beyond wrealm was everything outside of the multiverse. The attempt is sad and fails. The omniverse =the marvel multiverse of 84 + the beyond wrealm. Period.

You are confusing power and authority LT is not given authority over the Beyond realm but he is different than spectre his powers are static and not changed depending on TOAA, he is always the same power which was enough to effect the omniverse, we have seen this numerous times since as he has shown Omniversal power in many of his feats. Every feat LT gets makes Beyonder more impressive, it used to be thought he was multiversal but now it is know he is Omniversal since he defeated many omniversal powers such as LT and Owen Reece.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You are confusing power and authority LT is not given authority over the Beyond realm but he is different than spectre his powers are static and not changed depending on TOAA, he is always the same power which was enough to effect the omniverse, we have seen this numerous times since as he has shown Omniversal power in many of his feats. Every feat LT gets makes Beyonder more impressive, it used to be thought he was multiversal but now it is know he is Omniversal since he defeated many omniversal powers such as LT and Owen Reece.
This is a false hood. evey feat the LT gets makes the lt more impressive. Not the beyonder since the beyonder never fought the lt, and the lt was not omniversal. It's a false hood. a lie. you are trying to reverse retcon the lt's feats to count for a 1984 story in order to empower the beyonder. Falsehood. LOL. Does not compute. As it is, the LT gets his power directly from the TOAA. who was non existant at the time of the story. He's cleary gotten an upgrade becuz he has a new boss.

Originally posted by fangirl101
This is a false hood. evey feat the LT gets makes the lt more impressive. Not the beyonder since the beyonder never fought the lt, and the lt was not omniversal. It's a false hood. a lie. you are trying to reverse retcon the lt's feats to count for a 1984 story in order to empower the beyonder. Falsehood. LOL. Does not compute. As it is, the LT gets his power directly from the TOAA. who was non existant at the time of the story. He's cleary gotten an upgrade becuz he has a new boss.

You are very wrong, TOAA has always existed since he is the writer of the marvel comics, obviously the writer has always existed unless you believe the comics spontaneously appeared without a writer. He just was never named before. The Beyonder was stronger than LT in the context of a pre-retcon thread so there is no need to reverse retcon anything, we have simply seen LT do more fights is all. It has never been stated LT's power grows with time, you are speculating there.

Originally posted by King Kandy
LT has never changed at all, he is the same LT he always was
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before : LT<celestial (at least he was below 1 celestial)

current LT > all celestials

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
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before : LT<celestial (at least he was below 1 celestial)

current LT > all celestials

What was shown that he is above Scathan now?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
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before : LT<celestial (at least he was below 1 celestial)

current LT > all celestials

...When was LT ever below a single Celestial?

Or are you talking about Scathan?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
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before : LT<celestial (at least he was below 1 celestial)

current LT > all celestials


"Before"? GotG takes place in the future.

Originally posted by King Kandy
"Before"? GotG takes place in the future.
earlier comics I mean ^^

retcon (otherwise this means LT got weaker :/)

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
...When was LT ever below a single Celestial?

Or are you talking about Scathan?

yeah I mean scathan