Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't caused it to warp with his speed and he was getting crushed by the gravity even from a distance away.
That's what he did. Its like saying Iceman freezing something is a hell of a feat. Nova's shtick is creating a stargate with gravity manipulation, he created a stargate by gravity of a neutron star. Simple as that.
Wait... Are you phucking with me? You're jerking my chain again aren't ya buddy? Because I know that you don't want to seriously debate that scene with me, when you know that I know this shit like the back of my own hand haermm
However, just in case you are in fact serious about it not being a speed (when his velocity was specifically mentioned) durability (when we see him actually complaining about the gravity well crushing him), or power feat (even though he was at only 17% of his power, and a gravity quake was actually triggered by the impact etc) then put it in the "Mythbuster" section. We can "SETTLE IT THERE" lol.
Originally posted by dmills
Wait... Are you phucking with me? You're jerking my chain again aren't ya buddy? Because I know that you don't want to seriously debate that scene with me, when you know that I know this shit like the back of my own hand haermmHowever, just in case you are in fact serious about it not being a speed (when his velocity was specifically mentioned) durability (when we see him actually complaining about the gravity well crushing him), or power feat (even though he was at only 17% of his power, and a gravity quake was actually triggered by the impact etc) then put it in the "Mythbuster" section. We can "SETTLE IT THERE" lol.
Originally posted by dmills
Wait... Are you phucking with me? You're jerking my chain again aren't ya buddy? Because I know that you don't want to seriously debate that scene with me, when you know that I know this shit like the back of my own hand haermmHowever, just in case you are in fact serious about it not being a speed (when his velocity was specifically mentioned) durability (when we see him actually complaining about the gravity well crushing him), or power feat (even though he was at only 17% of his power, and a gravity quake was actually triggered by the impact etc) then put it in the "Mythbuster" section. We can "SETTLE IT THERE" lol.
uhuh
He was getting crushed in the gravity well, then he created a stargate which triggered a gravity quake. Its a good feat for his gravity manipulation but that's it. He never struck the surface of the star, he would've been crushed to death by worldmind's own admission. Also it was stated to be half the speed of light, nothing impressive for someone like Nova. Drax and Gamora never complained about being crushed though.
vin
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I ain't kidding.uhuh
He was getting crushed in the gravity well, then he created a stargate which triggered a gravity quake. Its a good feat for his gravity manipulation but that's it. He never struck the surface of the star, he would've been crushed to death by worldmind's own admission. Also it was stated to be half the speed of light, nothing impressive for someone like Nova. Drax and Gamora never complained about being crushed though.
vin
Going to see Pacific Rim... Bookmarked... I'll address this point by point upon my return... Your ass is now mine.
Originally posted by dmills
Going to see Pacific Rim... Bookmarked... I'll address this point by point upon my return... Your ass is now mine.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I ain't kidding.
uhuh
He was getting crushed in the gravity well, then he created a stargate which triggered a gravity quake. Its a good feat for his gravity manipulation but that's it. He never struck the surface of the star, he would've been crushed to death by worldmind's own admission. Also it was stated to be half the speed of light, nothing impressive for someone like Nova.
Originally posted by abhilegendErr... Maybe because Richard already caused the gravity quake? They didn't actually have to fly into the neutron star and bend it's abnormal gravity. They were caught in the wormhole event that Richard already created...
Drax and Gamora never complained about being crushed though.
vin
Why must u always be corrected?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17I know.
He was at 17% his normal levels as was already pointed out.
A neutron star has about 200,000,000,000 the gravity of earth. Our sun has 28 times the gravity of earth to put that into perspective. The corresponding art shows he either struck it's surface or came very close to it.He just bent the gravity and made a wormhole. Worldmind stated clearly that any matter would be crushed if it touches the star's surface.
Worldmind did say he had to fly into it in the first place in order for him to bend it's gravity. Sigh...He never touched the surface. He would;ve been crushed if he did so. That was due to the wormhole he created.
Err... Maybe because Richard already caused the gravity quake?They never complained when they were chasing after him and the gravity quake doesn't mean the gravity of the neutron star was lessened.
They didn't actually have to fly into the neutron star and bend it's abnormal gravity.They entered the gravity well of the star without any complaint unlike dick rider.
They were caught in the wormhole event that Richard already created...They were caught in the wake of that wormhole that tossed star matter in their faces.
Why must u always be corrected?Why must you always be a dick rider?
Originally posted by abhilegend
I know. He just bent the gravity and made a wormhole. Worldmind stated clearly that any matter would be crushed if it touches the star's surface. He never touched the surface. He would;ve been crushed if he did so. That was due to the wormhole he created.
Worldmind was giving him fun facts about neutron stars. When he said "any matter", wouldn't you think he's referring to normal things and not powered beings especially someone who houses the entirety of the nova force (a force that can manipulate gravity for that matter)...
Originally posted by abhilegend
They never complained when they were chasing after him and the gravity quake doesn't mean the gravity of the neutron star was lessened. They entered the gravity well of the star without any complaint unlike dick rider. They were caught in the wake of that wormhole that tossed star matter in their faces.Why must you always be a dick rider?
Are u also telling me they are as durable or more durable than Rider even though his other durability feats trump what ever durability feats they have ever shown?
What other cockamamie notions are u trying to parade here? This I gotta see because it will only make you look ridiculous..
Originally posted by celeyhyga17It must have been.
"just bent the gravity and made a wormhole"
Lol.. U make it seem like it's as easy as baking cookies...
Worldmind was giving him fun facts about neutron stars. When he said "any matter", wouldn't you think he's referring to normal things and not powered beings especially someone who houses the entirety of the nova force (a force that can manipulate gravity for that matter)...Considering that Nova was getting crushed in just the gravity well, I don't think he could survive on the surface.
Wait so ure telling me they reached into the neutron star as far as Rider did?You tell me.
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/lgunibrow88/Nova/Post%20Annihilaton/EP/Novav407n.jpg
They certainly felt that star matter, didn't they?
And even though he clearly blew past them on his way to the neutron star and shown pretty clearly that a huge disturbance at the surface(presumably the gravity quake) already started and they were shown no where at that particular scene?Are you sure about that? Really sure?
Are u also telling me they are as durable or more durable than Rider even though his other durability feats trump what ever durability feats they have ever shown?Rider's durability at 17% power trumps their durability? Post all the feats.
What other cockamamie notions are u trying to parade here? This I gotta see because it will only make you look ridiculous..And it makes you look like a dick rider.
Ok...Sorry abhi... Date smh, she tweaked me out last night lol...
Anywho. Upon further reading the scans, this feat is even less ambiguous than I had previously thought...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I ain't kidding.uhuh
He was getting crushed in the gravity well, then he created a stargate which triggered a gravity quake. Its a good feat for his gravity manipulation but that's it. He never struck the surface of the star, he would've been crushed to death by worldmind's own admission. Also it was stated to be half the speed of light, nothing impressive for someone like Nova. Drax and Gamora never complained about being crushed though.
vin
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_025.jpg
Right out of the gate, we see an issue with abhi's interpretation of the scene...
It clearly and plainly says that Matter would strike it's surface at 150,000 km/s and be crushed under it's own weight... 150,000 km/s is just about half of light speed, however it was never stated that Richie was traveling at that speed, or that Richie would be crushed. Only that the hypothetical random matter [emphasis mine] reaching it's surface {hint hint}would be.
So you can manipulate it's gravity. Richard, you need to focus your power reserves {which were at 17%} and FLY INTO IT...
Not fly into it's gravity well... into IT. IT being the neutron star itself...
WHOA! Fly INTO {hint hint} it? What about the whole "crushed under it's own weight" thing I distinctly remember you saying?
So yet another emphasis on flying into the surface of the star itself, this time Richard further corroborates what the WM was stating about matter striking it's surface.
If I calculate your VELOCITY accurately, you will bend the stars abnormal gravity and cause a wormhole event...
Ahh, so there's where the VELOCITY- the rate of change of the position of an object, equivalent to a specification of its speed and direction of motion- comes into play... Velocity... matter... surface... Accurate velocity, bend it's abnormal gravity... AND CAUSE a wormhole event... Putting it all together the implication is, matter traveling at "merely" 150,000 km/s would be crushed striking it's surface, but at the proper VELOCITY, NOVA PRIME would bend the star's abnormal gravity and cause a hyper gravimetric wormhole to form if he were to fly into it... He was flying into that thing at far faster speeds than 150,000 km/s. Hell, Richard is even depicted as still having reservations because he gets the implications of what the WM is asking him to do.
Calculating trajectory. ENTERING THE STAR'S GRAVITY WELL... ACCELERATING...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_029.jpg
In these set of panels we actually see that he's already entering the gravity well. THEN, he turns on the afterburners... He felt some discomfort in the course of this, but he wasn't being "crushed" in the way that Abhi is trying to emphasize. Ultimately, his DURABILITY held up.
SPLASH!
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_031.jpg
Here we actually see him hitting it, and the "splashing" effect that him striking it causes... Like what happens when someone dives into a swimming pool.
GRAVITY QUAKE! He's TRIGGERED A GRAVITY QUAKE! RIDER YOU FOO...
They get caught in it's wake...
KTHOOM!
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_032.jpg
They are now an immeasurable distance away from their point of origin... In fact, the WM has no idea where the hell they even are. Normally, when they create a stargate, they calculate the exit points in advance. However in this case, it had no clue where they'd end up because it was such an unconventional way of making a wormhole, via pure velocity. But it knew that it would work based on it's calculations with relation to the mass of the neutron star and the velocity that would necessarily be required to warp it.
So to recap. Abhi's position is that the feat (to hell with the dramatic build up, dialogue and outcome) is "merely" a wormhole/stargate creating feat that is akin to "Iceman freezing water" (his words, not mine). His speed, power and durability had nothing to do with it. Standard KMC protocol when one wants to undervalue a feat, strip it down to it's simplest form and all.
My contention is that Abhi is grossly oversimplifying what transpired on panel and that speed, power and durability had everything to do with it. If it were merely a stargate creation feat, why the need to risk his life by flying straight into it when he could have simply waved his hands a little and caused it to warp like he did in Annihilation when he created the biggest stargate like, ever....
http://img704.imageshack.us/i/nova03page15.jpg/
http://img23.imageshack.us/i/nova03page16.jpg/
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/nova03page17.jpg/
http://img823.imageshack.us/f/nova03page18.jpg/
http://img80.imageshack.us/i/nova03page19.jpg/
http://img638.imageshack.us/i/nova03page20.jpg/
Is it a perfect scene? No. Everything is not tied up in a neat little bow for us. However what IS clear, is that it is one hell of a feat for Nova either way you slice it. So if Abhi wants to imply that Nova, at only 17% of his power, still has neutron star level gravity manipulation then that's cool. It would still make him one of, if not the most powerful gravity manipulators in comics. At merely a fraction of his full power...
Now, for a little supplemental evidence to support my stance that this is in fact a speed/power and durability feat and was caused largely by Nova impacting the surface of the star.
What is a gravity quake exactly? A play on the natural phenomenon of a star quake...
A starquake is an astrophysical phenomenon that occurs when the crust of a neutron star undergoes a sudden adjustment, analogous to an earthquake on Earth. A paper published in 2003 in Scientific American by Kouveliotou, Duncan & Thompson[6] suggests these starquakes to be the source of the giant gamma ray flares that are produced approximately once per decade from soft gamma repeaters. Starquakes are thought to result from two different mechanisms. One is the huge stresses exerted on the surface of the neutron star produced by twists in the ultra-strong interior magnetic fields. A second cause is a result of spin down. As the neutron star loses angular momentum due to frame-dragging and by the bleeding off of energy due to it being a rotating magnetic dipole, the crust develops an enormous amount of stress. Once they exceed a certain amount, the shape adjusts itself to a shape closer to equilibrium, a perfect sphere. The actual change is believed to be on the order of micrometers or less, and occurs in less than a millionth of a second.The largest recorded starquake was recorded on December 27, 2004, on the ultracompact stellar corpse (magnetar) SGR 1806-20. It released gamma rays equivalent to 1036 kW in intensity. This starquake occurred 50,000 light years away. Had the event occurred within a distance of ten light years from Earth, the event could have potentially triggered a mass extinction on Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starquake_(astrophysics)#Starquake
http://www.space.com/1321-biggest-starquake.html
http://jila.colorado.edu/content/simulating-starquake
For further disclosure, of course, this entire thing of it "merely" being a wormhole creating feat (lol) stems from a conversation from 4 or so months ago when I said that Nova Prime could've obliterated that dark moon just as Superman did if he were to fly into it at the velocity needed to accomplish the neutron star feat. Others agreed, then the lowballing started. Hence the emphasis on anything BUT Nova hitting the surface. Up to and including Neutron Star level gravity manipulation at only 17% of his power...
{nod to Bran for the scans}
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He was at 17% his normal levels as was already pointed out. A neutron star has about 200,000,000,000 the gravity of earth. Our sun has 28 times the gravity of earth to put that into perspective. The corresponding art shows he either struck it's surface or came very close to it. Worldmind did say he had to fly into it in the first place in order for him to bend it's gravity. Sigh...Err... Maybe because Richard already caused the gravity quake? They didn't actually have to fly into the neutron star and bend it's abnormal gravity. They were caught in the wormhole event that Richard already created...
Why must u always be corrected?
😂 And with all of that, you condensed what I said into a few sentences lol... Wish I'd have seen this BEFORE I responded. FML.
