When I posted my DOTM trailer, you maintained the position that Kong would still win against his showings there for two posts, before suddenly shifting into desperate diversions for another two posts, and now conveniently remembering to clarify your position. You don't even have the sport to admit that your initial two rebuttals were flat-out wrong.
Prime's trailer gives him the flight. It does not give him the heavy chainguns he could use to shred Kong to pieces. These are clearly attached to his body. Even if they were not originally a part of him, they are a permanent feature physically imprinted into his body that Prime carries around with him and uses it at will. To suggest otherwise would be to argue that none of Kong's strength demonstrated in the films should apply, because he didn't have that as a baby. Or that Captain America's abilities should be rendered null because he only received them as a result of the supersoldier serum. They're a part of his character and powerset.
So, concession accepted. With weapons (attached to Prime's body), Kong gets RUINED. There is no contest whatsoever.
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Now, accept this, and we can go into your deviation about H2H. But don't pretend to dictate the thread's parameters. You don't get to decide that Prime magically loses parts of his body that happen to have the capacity to turn Kong into a nice steak.
They weren't so much rebuttals as pointing out that you could be wrong. Your apparent arrogance precludes you from seeing that, and so effronted do you seem, that your flat out scream that its IMPOSSIBLE for Kong to close distance and do damage.
I do not script. I like to think about things in terms of likely outcomes. Hence my position that seems to annoy you. 🙂
Heavy chainguns didnt shred Kong when he was forced to absorb the damage in a very confined space. Kong took down a few before going out even THEN. When he is free to move as he likes and as fast as he likes on level ground you might be surprised at how different the likely outcome is to the movie conclusion..
Actually, the trailer does provide those guns.
Hmmm he puts them on and takes them off...how is that permanent? I guess we have different concepts of that word.
Concession accepted? LOL I knew this was a Lestovsock...Explains the rage and tears I guess.
"pointing out you could be wrong"
Show me where in your two replies you make this stipulation.
Show me where you clarify that you were merely playing devil's advocate. 'cause you certainly don't seem to have any doubts here:
You've killed nothing. At all.
You have proved that Prime needs his trailer, (with in built cannons and all other weapons contained within it), his built in slowass rounds armaments, his swords, knives and his trailer has to fly in jetpack mode and Prime can fight disposable random fu*kwits to win. LOLZBayformers break easily.
Kong was drugged then when that wore off it was action chainsnapping time.
Yeah those pilots share your idea of a good standup fight too, with all their retreating to cowardly distances and firing away with heavy cal rounds...!!!! (Worth noting that Kong managed to mess up one or two of them despite that in the many versions.)
Tell me again, how you cry at the merest suggestion of any other outcome other than pure Bayprime fanwankery.
Tell me goodbye again and ragequit again. stick out tongue
Or here:
You've still to make a case from the very damageable Prime H2H.
You've bleated on about an example of Kong being trapped high up with no manoeuvring room against armed gunships as the only example of Kong's feats.Great last line of yours. Very revealing appeal to third parties as the continued histrionics roll out of you post after post. "You HAVE to agree with me against this guy (despite my utter lack of H2H evidence for Prime) or I'll call you insane" lol
Its ok. You have to save face (in your own mind at least) somehow, don't you?
...and you know it. You didn't expect me to post the DOTM ragefest feat. You were caught off guard, and had no answer for it. Clearly, being a good sport and admitting that an armed Prime kicks the shit out of Kong is far, far above you.
Granted, earlier you had admitted that an armed Prime could win against Kong. But you maintained that the latter had a significant change of victory, and through the course of the debate began to skew more and more in his favor, until you outright began stating that Kong would disarm and evade Prime's fire.
Yet the video evidence makes it clear: an armed Prime wins. There is no "could" or "possibly".
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Oh, and how many times by now have you snipped out portions of my post where I request video evidence for Kong's feats? At least 12? Do you want me to post them all?
Enough with your petty evasions.
I've provided my video evidence:
You've been requested to provide yours probably literally dozens of times by now. Just recently:
Oh, and how many times by now have you snipped out portions of my post where I request video evidence for Kong's feats? At least 12? Do you want me to post them all?
Now, do you have a logical argument to produce, supported by empirical data and in accordance to the thread stipulations (and not your personal "H2H only" rules)?
Or, you can concede the debate, and then we can argue H2H. I have some arguments for those, but feel no need to post them when I can just bring up Prime's massive chainguns and cannons.
Optimus could probably take Kong Hand to Hand too. I mean mega death robot with advanced training vs flesh and blood giant gorrilla. And then out of Hand to Hand he oblierates with his weapons...
King Kong beaten by half a dozen planes with early machine guns.
Megatron who is on par with Prime withstood missles from half a dozen jets. I mean he didn't take it very well but Kong would've been turned into jungle soup.
I give Prime durability, skill, weaponry and the strength could be more even then we think.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Optimus could probably take Kong Hand to Hand too. I mean mega death robot with advanced training vs flesh and blood giant gorrilla. And then out of Hand to Hand he oblierates with his weapons...King Kong beaten by half a dozen planes with early machine guns.
Megatron who is on par with Prime withstood missles from half a dozen jets. I mean he didn't take it very well but Kong would've been turned into jungle soup.
I give Prime durability, skill, weaponry and the strength could be more even then we think.
I don't even know where people are getting that Kong is stronger. The transformers were picking up trees like they were flowers, and were snapping trees like twigs by just walking through them.
Kong smashes through a tree but he has to do it with force. And I've seen him toss a couple of cars around but what feats exactly does he have that makes others believe he's stronger than Prime?
One thing I'm sure of though, is that if Kong loses an arm like Prime lost his, there's no way Kong would survive that let alone keep fighting like Prime did.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't even know where people are getting that Kong is stronger.
From the showing that Bay TFS strength feats are roughly proportional to those of equal sized humans, whereas Kong has mad Silverback skills and strength and that kinda sums that up.
Haters are going apeshit ragging on Kong for being taken out by repeated heavy cal machine gun rounds (Gatling/minigun onslaughts in the 70s version, and he killed a chopper or two too) yet totally seem blind to the many Bay TFs deaths at the hands of regular humans with human guns/saws/h2h attacks etc.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Optimus could probably take Kong Hand to Hand too. I mean mega death robot with advanced training vs flesh and blood giant gorrilla. And then out of Hand to Hand he oblierates with his weapons...King Kong beaten by half a dozen planes with early machine guns.
Hhhhmmmmmmm Mega death robot?
1) Not mega compared to Kong
2) Kong would have kiiled many too.
3) He is not a robot.
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Kong was marooned, cornered and could not move and had virtually no cover..against multiple assailants. Wouldn't be the same scenario here.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
From the showing that Bay TFS strength feats are roughly proportional to those of equal sized humans, whereas Kong has mad Silverback skills and strength and that kinda sums that up.
Haters are going apeshit ragging on Kong for being taken out by repeated heavy cal machine gun rounds (Gatling/minigun onslaughts in the 70s version, and he killed a chopper or two too) yet totally seem blind to the many Bay TFs deaths at the hands of regular humans with human guns/saws/h2h attacks etc.
Do you have any proof or scientific equation to show that Transformers only hsd strength equal to a human of proportional size wheras Kong is sigjificsntly stronger? Becausr based on feats alone, the robots have better strength feats.