Optimus Prime vs. King Kong

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Kong wouldn't have to move faster than bullets, just Prime's demonstrated-to-be-slow 'laser' weapon, that is not a rapid fire weapon.

Demonstrate that Kong can move faster than Prime's "slow" weapon.

Easliy avoided by something with Kong's instinct.

Provide evidence that Kong can dodge projectile weaponry, beyond vaguely appealing to his "instinct".

Also, provide evidence that Kong would even recognize such a weapon as a threat before he's already been hit and killed.

Originally posted by KingD19
Even if Prime sticks to just his fists, he has built in spiked knuckles and ripped Shockwave(one of the most dominating Decepticon's in all 3 movies) nearly in half with a single punch to his side. And he was breaking limbs and denting chassis with pure h2h without using any weaponry.

He's also shown to be one of the fast Autobots, probably just shy of Bumblebee's speed.

Shockwave was an awesome character in G1. Coldly logical, powerful and without mercy.

He was just a worm's gimpmaster in DOTM, and had bugger all other feats. Bay Decps are just generic robot type monsters killable by humans. Starscream was murdered by Sam for example. All 6 BayConstructicons as BayDevastator were aced by one human made railgun etc
Prime being able to ace 3 lesser deceps is nothing compared to G1 feats. And those G1 deceps were way more durable and powerful than the Bayformers versions.
Also: The point you should have made, but avoided, is that Prime isn't gonna be fighting Deceps. Hes gonna be facing Kong.

You'll note Sadsack's strawman in saying that Kong dominated everything he faced, but neglecting to mention that nothing Kong faced was nearly as dangerous, powerful, or intelligent as Optimus Prime.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Shockwave was an awesome character in G1. Coldly logical, powerful and without mercy.

He was just a worm's gimpmaster in DOTM, and had bugger all other feats. Bay Decps are just generic robot type monsters killable by humans. Starscream was murdered by Sam for example. All 6 BayConstructicons as BayDevastator were aced by one human made railgun etc
Prime being able to ace 3 lesser deceps is nothing compared to G1 feats. And those G1 deceps were way more durable and powerful than the Bayformers versions.
Also: The point you should have made, but avoided, is that Prime isn't gonna be fighting Deceps. Hes gonna be facing Kong.

Your logic does not follow. You use misleading descriptors such as "human made", while ignoring the fact that "human made" connotes "highly advanced weapons technology", significantly beyond anything Kong's ever encountered.

You still have provided nothing, besides vague appeals to Kong's "instincts" (lol wut?) and unquantified claims of his great "agility", that King Kong can evade projectile weaponry.

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BTW, I'm going to have to take your word here; what did the OP's original Kong image look like?

You'll note that Mad Lizzie is rage grammarising again, causing me much amusement indeed as she trips herself over in a hurried effort to spew out more baseless chuff upon the board.
Dangerous? Prime dies every five minutes in most continuities and is renowned for his merciful bent. Powerful? Didn't look so powerful in DOTM or hanging helplessly from those cranes in ROTF... Intelligent? He used the phrase "my bad" in the 1st movie. Hardly the language of a genius. Nothing was intelligent in those movies.

How much is the toll so I can get to the boy's hole, Sadsack?

Originally posted by Master Han
Your logic does not follow. You use misleading descriptors such as "human made", while ignoring the fact that "human made" connotes "highly advanced weapons technology", significantly beyond anything Kong's ever encountered.

A rectangular flat collection of pixels. Kinda looked like it was on a computer screen at the time.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You'll note that Mad Lizzie is rage grammarising again, causing me much amusement indeed as she trips herself over in a hurried effort to spew out more baseless chuff upon the board.
Dangerous? Prime dies every five minutes in most continuities and is renowned for his merciful bent. Powerful? Didn't look so powerful in DOTM or hanging helplessly from those cranes in ROTF... Intelligent? He used the phrase "my bad" in the 1st movie. Hardly the language of a genius. Nothing was intelligent in those movies.

Irrelevant. Prime has guns. More specifically, very high powered guns that can blast Kong's head off with even a glancing blow. Your vaguely attributing Kong "instincts" that will allow him to dodge said guns is a useless assertion without actual evidence, which you have thus refused to provide.

Originally posted by Lestov16
How much is the toll so I can get to the boy's hole, Sadsack?

Answer the nice man, Han.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Misleading? How is 'human made' misleading when describing human made weapons..?
I think Kong is way beyond anything the humans had encountered.

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A species/civilization with heavy explosives and supersonic manned aircraft hasn't even encountered anything on the level of King Kong?

The movie quantifies the ability/agility.
Slow projectiles that are not rapid fire and take time to charge up/load.

Prove it. Videos. Math. Calculations. Evidence.

Do you really think you can say "trololol Kong can dodge guns" and back it up through blatant circular logic; that it's true because it's true?

Originally posted by Master Han
blatant circular logic; that it's true because it's true?

that's all anyone here has been doing you sniveling hypocrite.

Originally posted by Master Han
Irrelevant. Prime has guns. More specifically, very high powered guns that can blast Kong's head off with even a glancing blow. Your vaguely attributing Kong "instincts" that will allow him to dodge said guns is a useless assertion without actual evidence, which you have thus refused to provide.

None of it was irrelevant.

LOL More "Prime is a pussy so he has to resort to melee and range weapons in a terrified effort to keep his befurred murderer at bay" I see....

Well by your 'rationale' please provide evidence that Prime's slow ass floating slow round weapon can definitely blow up Kong's head...? Maybe the reason you'll refuse to provide it is that it was never shown being able to do that to Kong onscreen... 🙄
Also, its gun singular, I do believe.

But very well, if Prime must use multiple guns to blast away with in terror at the oncoming Kong in order to stand even the slightest chance, then LOLZ again, I say.
If Kong gets the drop on Prime, ambushes him, your strawmanic argument wouldn't apply anyway. If he jumps out from foliage suddenly like he did against the T-Rexs, Prime has no time with with to prepare to die.

If BayPrime loses his head, and/or arms where is the evidence that he could continue? Where was Prime shown in Bay's movies as having body parts that could function independently of each other? Sure, G1 Prime in both cartoon and comic format could, but hey you want the 2005ers.....

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
LOL More "Prime is a pussy so he has to resort to melee and range weapons in a terrified effort to keep his befurred murderer at bay" I see....

🙄 Right after denying that your argument was irrelevant, you derail into a random diatribe about my tactics being insufficiently chauvinist for your liking. The debate is not who is cooler, or who is more terrifying, but who would win in a confrontation. And guess what? Prime is armed. He wins.

Well by your 'rationale' please provide evidence that Prime's slow ass floating slow round weapon can definitely blow up Kong's head...? Maybe the reason you'll refuse to provide it is that it was never shown being able to do that to Kong onscreen... 🙄
Also, its gun singular, I do believe.

Seriously, did you just try to argue that Prime cannot hit Kong because he hasn’t done so onscreen? You know, ignoring that the two have never met?

And stop it with your silly evasions. You still haven’t established that Kong would even understand the danger of a projectile weapon until it hits him. And you have provided no evidence or examples of his evading or dodging any projectile weaponry whatsoever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9the6PLLuVc

^Prime and Megatron briefly exchange shots (note that Prime is holding back here due to the surrounding citizenry; he easily kicks Megatron’s ass on unpopulated grounds within seconds). Now, establish where Kong has ever dodged moving objects of that speed.

But very well, if Prime must use multiple guns to blast away with in terror at the oncoming Kong in order to stand even the slightest chance, then LOLZ again, I say.
If Kong gets the drop on Prime, ambushes him, your strawmanic argument wouldn't apply anyway. If he jumps out from foliage suddenly like he did against the T-Rexs, Prime has no time with with to prepare to die.

This is stupid. Prime has a gun. “if Kong gets the drop on Prime”? ROFLAMO – there you go again, artificially rigging the battle parameters so that your favorite character will win. Whoever gave Kong the element of surprise here? How is Kong supposed to even get the drop on Prime? Why don’t we just make this “Kong with the Infinity Gauntlet vs. an armless, legless Optimus Prime”?

If BayPrime loses his head, and/or arms where is the evidence that he could continue?

Have you watched DotM?

Furthermore, this is yet again irrelevant, because of ranged weaponry.

Where was Prime shown in Bay's movies as having body parts that could function independently of each other? Sure, G1 Prime in both cartoon and comic format could, but hey you want the 2005ers.....

Irrelevant. Optimus Prime has ranged firepower. Worst case scenario, he has a badass energy sword. Kong doesn’t stand a chance.

Again, provide evidence that Kong can dodge projectile weaponry, or would even know to try.

MASTER HAN has an excellent point.

This has been definitive ever since he made the initial point

I showed a video earlier where Sentinel Prime sliced Optimus' arm off at the shoulder. And right after that he killed Megatron in moments. With one arm.

People really think Kong stands a chance against Optimus....really?

Originally posted by DTM
People really think Kong stands a chance against Optimus....really?

Yup. Even without the weapons, I don't see how they can think Kong has a chance.

Without any weapons Kong might take a few, but with weapons like his dual arm blades and blaster rifle, Kong standa No Chance to beat Prime.

Optimus ftw

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Let's leave it at that please, Sadako? 😬