Optimus Prime vs. King Kong

Originally posted by Master Han
🙄 Right after denying that your argument was irrelevant, you derail into a random diatribe about my tactics being insufficiently chauvinist for your liking. [b]The debate is not who is cooler, or who is more terrifying, but who would win in a confrontation. And guess what? Prime is armed. He wins.

Seriously, did you just try to argue that Prime cannot hit Kong because he hasn’t done so onscreen? You know, ignoring that the two have never met?

Indeed. You can only see the hole in your logic when mirrored.
Just because Kong hadn't killed Prime onscreen, doesnt mean he couldn't.

And stop it with your silly evasions. You still haven’t established that Kong would even understand the danger of a projectile weapon until it hits him. And you have provided no evidence or examples of his evading or dodging any projectile weaponry whatsoever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9the6PLLuVc

^Prime and Megatron briefly exchange shots (note that Prime is holding back here due to the surrounding citizenry; he easily kicks Megatron’s ass on unpopulated grounds within seconds). Now, establish where Kong has ever dodged moving objects of that speed.

Ah back to the "Prime can do everything on assumption, but Kong can't" hypothesis eh?

This is stupid. Prime has a gun. “if Kong gets the drop on Prime”? ROFLAMO – there you go again, artificially rigging the battle parameters so that your favorite character will win. Whoever gave Kong the element of surprise here? How is Kong supposed to even get the drop on Prime? Why don’t we just make this “Kong with the Infinity Gauntlet vs. an armless, legless Optimus Prime”?

Have you watched DotM?

Furthermore, this is yet again irrelevant, because of ranged weaponry.

Irrelevant. Optimus Prime has ranged firepower. Worst case scenario, he has a badass energy sword. Kong doesn’t stand a chance.

Slow-round shooting firepower. Yes.

Again, provide evidence that Kong can dodge projectile weaponry, or would even know to try. [/B]

Ok. You see hes not nailed to the floor..?
Do you notice that he has legs...?
Do you notice that he has arms..?
Do you see everything Kong did in the movie in fight and flee situations...?
(Discounting for a moment everything Kong did in the other Kong movies)
Has he got eyes?
Have you seen how slow and non repeating Prime's weapon was against Megatron?
No need for me to provide anything then.
I don't have to provide a full thesis on air and its history and properties to know that you need it to live and breathe.

Things exist and Kong historically has always f**ked them up royally. Fact.

Prime has several gun upgrades. Including a big ass gattling gun and several other fast firing weapons. Not just the rifle from the first movie.

He also has dual energy blades, dual energy hooks, and a double-headed energy axe. As well as spiked knuckle coverings that can literally punch a robot as large as shockwave nearly in half.

You also seem to just forget about the massive speed Prime has shown. Murdering 12 Decepticons with ease in less time than it took Kong to kill those T-Rex, and actually killed everyone but Shockwave in about 10 seconds more than it took him to snap a jaw bone.

Or ya know, fighting off Megatron, Starscream, and Grindor while protecting Sam. And winning until he literally forgot Starscream and Megatron were still alive to check on Sam.

And tanking more damage than Kong seems capable of dishing out. Causing more as well.

I love how some people (you know who you are) argue that Kong is like some kind of uber ninja-warrior capable of dodging firearm rounds and knowing enough grappling moves to easily disarm an opponent... not to mention easily being able to sneak up on said opponent. lol lol lol lol lol.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Instinct.

😐

This is the extent of your argument? Your justification for Kong's "disarming" Prime is "instinct"? Your justification for Kong's evading gunfire is "instinct"? Your justification for Kong sneaking up on Prime (who, as a transformer, has the ultimate disguise tactic, and vastly superior intellect) is "instinct"?

I provided video evidence of Prime's projectile weaponry that clearly casts it velocity as being vastly beyond anything Kong's ever avoided, and this is ignoring the fact that Prime also has other more difficult to avoid armaments, including heavy machine guns and missiles. You respond to this evidence by vaguely appealing to Kong's instinct (which you never quantify), his agility (which you never quantify).

Indeed, your entire argument seems centered around quantifying as little as possible in favor of vague, baseless assertions and circular reasoning.

This is a guy who actually believes he can prove that a giant ape can dodge bullets (or whatever term you wish to label Prime's still-faster-than-Kong projectiles) with only one word to provide for evidence just isn't worth wasting one's time with. And it seems like everyone agrees.

Good bye.

Oh dear Han. Totally strawmanning again, huh?
Instinct. Evasiveness. Body mass likely to survive hits. Speed and possibly being able to attack Prime springing from cover.
Along with Prime possibly missing. And Prime's shown breakability.
Your overly dramatic goodbye has been noted as the rage quit that it is..

I love how some other people (you know who you are) argue that Kong will be nailed to the floor and drugged and starting in a position where Prime cant miss.
Disarming Prime Silverback style would not require much in the way of tech knowhow. Look how many times Megatron was all over Prime. But hey all guns to Prime, all knives and swords and make Kong the weakest, slowest, smallest version of Kong you can muster, let Prime have a distance where he can cover Kong and Kong has to cover like 2 miles to get to Prime who has warning and OF COURSE Prime wins. (IF his weapons can take kong out first hit...they didnt seem to do that against Megatron in the 1st Baymovie. You guys make out like Prime's inbuilt shit is as powerful as G1 Megatron's fusion cannon or something lol)

Resulting in what Ive maintained all along: "DUUUUH! SO WHAT?!?! POINTLESS THREAD" (Which is why it was inactive for years til the recent equally pointless bump.)

Still LOLZ and the desperate need for an (even pointless) 'forum win' of some.

Thanks for making my day. 🙂

The next time Sadako gets mugged by an armed thug, perhaps he will use his trademarked line of reasoning to conclude that he could easily evade the bullets and "disarm" the attacker.

It's no less reasonable than his current contention, since both tactics are supported by zero empirical evidence, with his consciously and carefully wording his replies to avoid actually having to present feats, calculations or evidence in support of his absurd bullet-timing conception of Kong.

It's equally ridiculous to his assertion that, because Prime COULD conceivably miss Kong at point blank range, we should conclude that the latter would win. After all, it's theoretically possible that Sadako could come on top in such a scenario, out of one million simulations. F*ck probability and preponderance of evidence.

Next time? lol
Doesn't that usually imply a precedent-setting first occurrence.?

Bullets are faster than Prime's rounds. (And can be fired rapidly unlike Prime's comparatively 1980s atari game-like slow assed rounds.)

There is an equal 'amount' of nothingness in your claim otherwise.

You have to misrepresent my argument to make yourself seem like you have some kind of point. lolz Bullet timing ha

None needed against Prime's ammo.

Poor little Prime.

Having to hide away behind his guns swords and knives and have fans screaming "No Fair" if Kong doesn't just accept his own execution, lay down, do giant gorilla doses of Ketamine and wait for the end lol

So sad.

In addition to glossing over the fact that Prime has access to a variety of weapons, both futuristic and terrestrial, including bullets, Sadako once again begs the question, implicitly assuming that Kong can automatically dodge any projectile slower than a bullet, even if said projectile can still move vastly faster than anything Kong has ever been demonstrated to evade.

Sadako, after what feels like 50 pages of sophistry and baseless conjecture, has still failed to cite any video evidence of Kong's dodging high speed projectile weaponry. The greatest extent of elaboration on this contention (which forms the crux of his entire position), is that Kong has "instinct". 😆

And he yet again has resorted to Appeal to Consequence, pretending that this thread is a question of who is more badass, rather than who would win in a fight.

Originally posted by Master Han

This is a guy who actually believes he can prove that a giant ape can [b]dodge bullets (or whatever term you wish to label Prime's still-faster-than-Kong projectiles) with only one word to provide for evidence just isn't worth wasting one's time with. And it seems like everyone agrees.

Good bye. [/B]

nice rage-quit

Sadako, I'm going to address you directly and ask you yet again to produce video evidence that Kong can evade these attacks:

YouTube video

Starting a little after 50 seconds.

Note that Optimus's Prime's gunfire is clearly massively supersonic. Note that Prime can transform into aircraft, slice clean through entire transformers with a single energy slice, and execute complex and sophisticated attack combos beyond anything we've ever seen Kong replicate or evade.

I took your word on Prime's weaponry being slow-fire. It turns out I misplaced my trust in you. Who knew.

Originally posted by Master Han
In addition to glossing over the fact that Prime has access to a variety of weapons, both futuristic and terrestrial, including bullets, Sadako once again begs the question, implicitly assuming that Kong can automatically dodge any projectile slower than a bullet, even if said projectile can still move vastly faster than anything Kong has ever been demonstrated to evade.

= "Prime loses H2H"

Sadako, after what feels like 50 pages of sophistry and baseless conjecture, has [b]still failed to cite any video evidence of Kong's dodging high speed projectile weaponry.

And he yet again has resorted to Appeal to Consequence, pretending that this thread is a question of who is more badass, rather than who would win in a fight. [/B]

You missed this.

YouTube video

A little past 50 seconds.

Tell me more again about Prime's guns being "slow" and "not rapid fire".
Tell me more again about how Kong's winning against a Prime who slices transformers in half with a single stroke, and rips metal spines out of beings that can tank airstrikes from modern fighters (unlike, you know, Kong vs. biplanes).
Tell me more again about how Kong is getting the drop on a guy who can transform into a highly sophisticated fixed wing aircraft that can hover and maneuver as well as a helicopter. Note that this is an aircraft.
Tell me again how Kong, who struggles to free himself from steel chains, is stronger than a Prime who can casually rip metal that has demonstrated itself to be tougher than composite tank armor.

Tell me again how much I killed your climax.

You've killed nothing. At all.
You have proved that Prime needs his trailer, (with in built cannons and all other weapons contained within it), his built in slowass rounds armaments, his swords, knives and his trailer has to fly in jetpack mode and Prime can fight disposable random fu*kwits to win. LOLZ

Bayformers break easily.

Kong was drugged then when that wore off it was action chainsnapping time.

Yeah those pilots share your idea of a good standup fight too, with all their retreating to cowardly distances and firing away with heavy cal rounds...!!!! (Worth noting that Kong managed to mess up one or two of them despite that in the many versions.)

Tell me again, how you cry at the merest suggestion of any other outcome other than pure Bayprime fanwankery.
Tell me goodbye again and ragequit again. 😛

"slowass"?

😆

slowass?

I'll post a condensed version for you:

YouTube video

The rounds Prime fire are massively supersonic and orders of magnitude faster than anything we've ever seen Kong dodge*. They are clearly bullets, and just as fast. Kong has never dodged those.

Prime's sword cuts through transformers his size with single strokes.

Prime demonstrates the strength to rip apart metal demonstrably tougher than modern tank composite armor.

And all of these weapons and capabilities are a part of Prime's moveset. Whether you find it to be pathetic or cowardly has no relevance to the thread discussion.

Prime wins, and anyone who seriously contends otherwise after watching the above video...clearly isn't even remotely cognizant or sane.

*which isn't saying much, since you've STILL provided no video, citations or evidence to support your contention.

You've still to make a case from the very damageable Prime H2H.
You've bleated on about an example of Kong being trapped high up with no manoeuvring room against armed gunships as the only example of Kong's feats.

Great last line of yours. Very revealing appeal to third parties as the continued histrionics roll out of you post after post. "You HAVE to agree with me against this guy (despite my utter lack of H2H evidence for Prime) or I'll call you insane" lol

Its ok. You have to save face (in your own mind at least) somehow, don't you?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
nice rage-quit

LOLZ

LOL, dude, in your post, you literally dropped all references or pretense of arguing for Kong's victory against an armed Optimus Prime. If you're going to concede that point, try to do so with some sportsmanship, and not by shifting the argument and throwing out ad hominems.

I'll gladly argue H2H for Prime after we settle the actual OP, which makes no such limitation. You aren't the OP, and stop trying to dictate your own parameters onto the debate.

As my video demonstrates, Prime has:

1. Effectively bullet-speed ranged weaponry that can penetrate transformers better than non-sabot tank rounds.
2. Energy swords that can slice said transformers in half with single strokes.
3. A flight mode he can transform into within seconds.

Now, feel free to produce VIDEO EVIDENCE of Kong's dodging projectiles with the speed that we see in the video. (you've continuously, and quite blatantly, cut this request out of every rebuttal you've posted, because you know no such evidence exists)

If you concede this argument, I'll gladly abide by your arbitrary parameters (that the rule-setting OP does not agree to) and debate that.

Oh...you're still here?

Ok it doesnt say that Prime is armed either.

It also doesnt say that Kong doesn't get a thermo nuclear banana bomb to beat Prime with either, but in H2H some things should just be common sense.

Starring Clyde as Kong:
YouTube video
The part of Prime shall be played by the cadillac.

😆 What happened, Sadako? Just a half a page ago, you were eagerly arguing that Kong can dodge Prime's "slow ass" weaponry and "disarm" him in close quarters, and now you're suddenly absurdly desperate to shift the discussion away to H2H?

Prime's weapons are built into his body. YOU AGREED WITH THIS STATEMENT.

Now, if you have nothing more to say for yourself, show a little class and concede the OP, and I will gladly debate you on H2H.

Huh? Do yourself a favour look at page one.
G1 Prime by rifle win, but Kong H2H.

Theres f*ck all to concede in the totally barren OP.

The weapons that Prime has built into his body I agree he has built into his body. Like that slow ass blaster, his Wolverine claws and his energo-swords.

But when its bits of trailer (DOTM), bits of Jetfire (ROTF), some shotgun (like he used in DOTM) I say "nay".

BayTransformers fighting other BayTransformers means nothing, as they aren't very strong or damage resistant.. look at Frenzy. Starscream. Shockwave going out like punk, Megatron being so damned destructable. etc etc etc