Either works. Not so good for Prime. Instinct is greatly displayed by Kong onscreen. Great reflexes too. And being anywhere between 20-90 tonnes vs Prime's 15 odd tonnes, its bad news for Prime all day every day.
Why not, for all you know...when does Prime use those?
And when did Prime endure getting smashed to death with a boulder..?
Food for thought: YouTube video
Originally posted by focus4chumps
🙂 *ahem*again: rounds far lighter than the BGM made a full-size TF violently recoil from the kinetic energy.
while kong was balanced on top of a platform and withstood the kinetic energy from BMG rounds, FAR GREATER and MULTIPLE SHOTS.
ACR:
BGM 50:
🙂
You're missing an important point though, the TF might've violently recoiled from the impact BUT Kong didn't withstand the rounds, those bullets would've pierced his flesh...not be deflected away.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
You're missing an important point though, the TF might've violently recoiled from the impact BUT Kong didn't withstand the rounds, those bullets would've pierced his flesh...not be deflected away.
you are missing the point that it makes kong far stronger than a regular size transformer in terms of physical strength. thus me going on about how they absorb kinetic energy. will you be the 12th person here to tell me that it has nothing to do with physical strength? you'll be wrong but you'll also be very popular.
also it took 10 minutes of shooting a cornered kong's kidneys out for him to finally die, so lets not pretend that he wasnt initially blocking shots with his arm or that prime would withstand a sustained 50 cal attack to his weak spots.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
you are missing the point that it makes kong far stronger than a regular size transformer in terms of physical strength. thus me going on about how they absorb kinetic energy. will you be the 12th person here to tell me that it has nothing to do with physical strength? you'll be wrong but you'll also be very popular.
🙄 It has to do primarily with momentum, not kinetic energy, which is not necessarily conserved. And given that the decepticons were taken by surprise, it has nothing to do with physical strength and everything to do with mass interactions.
Originally posted by Master Han
So, Sadako, you must now substantiate two of your contentions (with evidence):1. King Kong can dodge bullets.
2. King Kong can tank the superior of depleted uranium tank rounds and heavy missile airstrikes.Get working, buddy.
1) He doesnt have to, but was shown doing just that using the ESB as cover
2) Why bother? He won't be facing them. So your strawman theatre is not selling popcorn, bud.
You must now substantiate that heavy cal browning rounds with greater mass, range and power are comparatively the same as the little popgun rounds that took out the deceps.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
1) He doesnt have to, but was shown doing just that using the ESB as cover
Does he dodge all of the bullets?
Does he has the ESB for cover in this fight?
2) Why bother? He won't be facing them. So your strawman theatre is not selling popcorn, bud.
I've already pointed this out on numerous occasions: Optimus Prime's weapons kill transformers with greater ease than said depleted uranium rounds and missile strikes.
You must now substantiate that heavy cal browning rounds with greater mass, range and power are comparatively the same as the little popgun rounds that took out the deceps.
😆 I seem to recall Blackout's singlehandedly wiping out an entire military base. I seem to recall both Optimus and Sentinel Prime's tanking multiple missile strikes. That surprise shots from snipers can mess up decepticon's eyes has no relevance to the point, and you know it.
Optimus Prime's guns are obviously far, FAR larger than brownings, as you can tell just by looking at their size relative to his body.
Originally posted by Master HanBTW, do you have any idea how clumsy and slow that version of Kong was? Do you think his enormous size will immunize him from a depleted uranium volley through his skull?
Another use of depleted uranium is in kinetic energy penetrators, anti-armor rounds such as the 120 mm sabot rounds fired from the British Challenger 1, Challenger 2,[31] M1A1 and M1A2 Abrams[...]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
kinetic energy is only relavant when ignorant troll wills it. clown
your whole shtick is sad
Originally posted by focus4chumps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uraniumkinetic energy is only relavant when ignorant troll wills it. clown
Nice try, chumps, but there's a difference between penetration and recoil. That the snipers were able to catch the decepticons off guard and make them recoil is a matter of momentum. It has nothing to do with durability. They could have been made out of adamantium, and still would have recoiled.
This is elementary high school physics.
Kong is strong enough to take some victories, but Optimus was thrown through concrete on multiple occasions (buildings and highway overpasses) which would have been re-inforced concrete, plus I don't see how Kong gets past that red hot sword. Good grief that thing gave Optimus such an unfair advance against many decepticons that it wasn't even funny. Kong was impressive however--definitely superstrength for what a gorilla that size would actually have. And he shrugged off a lot of t-rex bites without showing too much bleeding. He's tough. Just not tough enough for advanced weaponry.
Originally posted by Master Han
Does he dodge all of the bullets?
Does he has the ESB for cover in this fight?
I've already pointed this out on numerous occasions: Optimus Prime's weapons kill transformers with greater ease than said depleted uranium rounds and missile strikes.
😆 I seem to recall Blackout's singlehandedly wiping out an entire military base. I seem to recall both Optimus and Sentinel Prime's tanking multiple missile strikes. That surprise shots from snipers can mess up decepticon's eyes has no relevance to the point, and you know it.
Optimus Prime's guns are obviously far, [b]FAR larger than brownings, as you can tell just by looking at their size relative to his body.
And? Says nothing of yield. Megatron's G1 stubby fusion Cannon absolutely wrecks the f**k out of any weapon Bayatron had, and Bayatron's ones were all bigger/longer. Guess not everything falls under phallic symbol territory in combat.
Which is also good for Prime as Kong is almost certainly gonna be better hung than Prime too, being a silverback.[/B]
(This of course doesn't exclude the possibly of Kong beating Prime to death with his monkeywang after pulling his arms out of their sockets and wiping his ass with them.)
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Doesnt need to.
...then why the f*ck did you bring up the point at all?
So? Kongs not a dumbass Baytransformer.
🙄 You're taking the argument full circle now. Prime's guns are, as I just pointed out, more potent than depleted uranium rounds and missile strikes.
Can King Kong tank depleted uranium rounds and missile strikes?
I dont recall Optimus tanking that. Sentinel, maybe..
After the 1st shot the deceps should have clocked what was going on and covered...being all 'immensely superior to Kong' in your eyes.. Just like Kong did onscreen.
Red herring. We aren't discussing the tactical acumen of random decepticons. We're pointing out that Prime's weapons, being modern high energy explosive rounds, would render a flesh and blood giant ape such as Kong unrecognizable with a few short bursts.
And? Says nothing of yield. Megatron's G1 stubby fusion Cannon absolutely wrecks the f**k out of any weapon Bayatron had, and Bayatron's ones were all bigger/longer. Guess not everything falls under phallic symbol territory in combat.
Sh*t analogy: Megatron's fusion cannon was obviously massively more advanced. Do you think a pre WWII browning is more advanced than Prime's weapons?
Which is also good for Prime as Kong is almost certainly gonna be better hung than Prime too, being a silverback.[/B]
Prime is made out of metal. 😉 And a silverback can't tank heavy caliber rounds, let alone explosives.
(This of course doesn't exclude the possibly of Kong beating Prime to death with his monkeywang after pulling his arms out of their sockets and wiping his ass with them.)
Too bad for you that something called "guns" prevents this from happening with any significant probability.
Originally posted by Master Han
...then why the f*ck did you bring up the point at all?
🙄 You're taking the argument full circle now. Prime's guns are, as I just pointed out, more potent than depleted uranium rounds and missile strikes.
You're taking the argument from somewhere the same you have all along: Your arse.
You've demonstrated ignorance towards the basic workings of physics attributes involved in rounds particularly in the matters of kinetic energy and its role..
[b]Can King Kong tank depleted uranium rounds and missile strikes?
Who knows?
But until you post Prime tanking it, you're just gonna continue to sound silly saying that.
Red herring. We aren't discussing the tactical acumen of random decepticons. We're pointing out that Prime's weapons, being modern high energy explosive rounds, would render a flesh and blood giant ape such as Kong unrecognizable with a few short bursts.
Modern high energy explosive rounds? Oh go on then: What precisely is their yield, which type of energy doe sit draw its source from, and how are they loaded into Prime?
Surely making a broad and glittery, loud, would-be-all-encompassing statement like that, you must be pretty sure and able to regale us with the details..? (Or else you can GTFO with your histrionic buzzword emptiness.
Sh*t analogy: Megatron's fusion cannon was obviously massively more advanced. Do you think a pre WWII browning is more advanced than Prime's weapons?
You can't see the shit analogy wood for all your trees.
In that they f**k things up royally? Sure. Prime's little rapid fire pop gun could'nt stop starscream and Prime's enemies managed to kill him whilst out in the open, with full armaments and territory that would allow him free roam.
And don't cry off with that "protecting Sam" excuse!
A) The other 5 or so Autobots could have looked after him
B) The decpes were already f**king him up prior to that.
C) Kong did WAY better in his equivalent scenario and juggled Anne whilst killing 3 T-rexes in full stalk/kill mode.
Prime is made out of metal. 😉 And a silverback can't tank heavy caliber rounds, let alone explosives.
And is giant...
And was shown to tank them onscreen, blocking them with forearms shielding his head then killing a couple of planes after tanking them....
Gravity, teaming up with a tactical mistake in choice of pull back position killed Kong.
(Beauty may have been involved also. 😛 )
Too bad for you that something called "guns" prevents this from happening with any significant probability.
Too bad for you that even if that could be relied upon (and that is debatable) that you admit that Prime has to run and hide behind his weapons scared by the Bigger, weightier, more savage, agile Kong like a complete pussy.
How vaccous a position for you to occupy..
No wonder you're so mad.[/B]
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You've demonstrated ignorance towards the basic workings of physics attributes involved in rounds particularly in the matters of kinetic energy and its role..
😆 Buddy, it's clear from the way you phrase this accusation that you have no understanding about said "basic workings of physics", and are attempting to bluff me.
Fine then. Tell me where I go wrong.
Who knows?
But until you post Prime tanking it, you're just gonna contuniue to sound silly.
Holy sh*t, you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about.
We're not comparing durability here. As Kong doesn't have weapons, I feel no need to prove that Prime can tank tank rounds and missile strikes (although anyone who actually watched the movies wouldn't question that he could).
We're comparing Prime's firepower with Kong's hide. And you have done nothing to establish that Kong's hide would win.
The reverse doesn't matter because Kong isn't getting the first hit in...because he has no range capabilities. What part of this don't you understand?
Modern high energy explosive rounds? Oh go on then: What precisely is their yield, which type of energy doe sit draw its source from, and how are they loaded into Prime?
Surely making a broad and glittery, loud, would-be-all-encompassing statement like that, you must be pretty sure and able to regale us with the details..? (Or else you can GTFO with your histrionic buzzword emptiness.
Pulling an OJ Simpson defense is going to help you here. We don't need to know "precisely" what their yield is, and IDK how "which type of energy" (😆) they "draw their source" from is relevant here. What is relevant is that Kong has never demonstrated the ability to tank uranium shots and missile strikes, and Prime's guns are superior to those.
You can't see the shit analogy wood for all your trees.
In that they f**k things up royally? Sure. Prime's little rapid fire pop gun could'nt stop starscream and Prime's enemies managed to kill him whilst out in the open, with full armaments and territory that would allow him free roam.
And don't cry off with that "protecting Sam" excuse!
From 4:30 here:
Now, Prime here:
Notice that Prime's shots are vastly superior to, what are those - A10s?
Now, has Kong ever tanked the firepower we see scorponok tank?
Oops, no.
A) The other 5 or so Autobots could have looked after himB) The decpes were already f**king him up prior to that.
C) Kong did WAY better in his equivalent scenario and juggled Anne whilst killing 3 T-rexes in full stalk/kill mode.
We're not talking about H2H buddy. Try again.
Too bad for you that even if that could be relied upon (and that is debatable) that you admit that Prime has to run and hide behind his weapons scared by the Bigger, weightier, more savage, agile Kong like a complete pussy.
Who said Prime "has" to run behind his guns? It's just that he can, and therefore he will win. I don't want to talk about h2h until you concede that guns > flesh.