Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
He weaponises boulders and other weapons pulled from his environment.
And tell me which is quicker on the draw, Sadako: drawing and firing a gun, or picking up and throwing a boulder?
Hint: there's a right answer. My opinion of you might even improve if you can elaborate on the other advantages of the favored attack mode.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
again: rounds far lighter than the BGM made a full-size TF violently recoil from the kinetic energy.
1. Does King Kong have a gun? If not, why does this even matter?
2. Basic physics eludes you - whether or not the (unprepared, unbraced) transformers recoil is a matter of collision dynamics, not durability. And given your earlier bragging about your understanding of kinetic energy, it's interesting that you'd mention it, instead of the far more relevant momentum.
3. Optimus Prime has the advantage of range. He shoots Kong dead, regardless of durability. This isn't a H2H contest.
Originally posted by Master Han
And tell me what is quicker on the draw, Sadako: drawing and firing a gun, or picking up and throwing a boulder?Hint: there's a right answer. My opinion of you might even improve if you can elaborate on the other advantages of the favored attack mode.
Not too fussed regards to your opinion of me.
I'm not in the ego game, and on top of that, if your opinion power is to be gauged by this thread, then 'meh'
Honestly there wasn't much in it, judging by Kong's feats in the 2005 version and anything else he employs.
But what is faster? Drawing and aiming and firing a gun, or simply punching something?
Cause when Kong and Prime tangle, Prime'll likely come off smashed.
But what is faster? Drawing and aiming and firing a gun, or simply punching something?
...are you on crack?
I'm not even asking that entirely in jest. If someone has a gun pointed at you, and you try to punch him, who's going to come out alive? Are you so f*cking deluded as to think that melee beats firearms?
Spoiler:
The gun is faster. Bullets are supersonic. You can pull a trigger faster than you can swing your fast, and this is discounting the range difference; that the guy is going to have to close the distance, while the shooter simply has to aim, set, and fire. Are you f*cking high?
🙄 So going by your responding to my analogy, your entire argument boils down to the contention that, out of 1000 simulations, Kong can beat Optimus Prime in...what, in 2% of the scenarios?
Because that's around how often the unarmed guy is going to beat the armed guy. It certainly can happen, but betting on it probably isn't a very good idea.
So if that's the crux of your argument, that "Prime wins 98% of the time, but Kong can occasionally pull off a victory", then fine, I agree.
With range weapons, most likely, (as I said from day one.)
I think the displayed desire to see Kong bumped off here, shown by you borders on the butthurt and it belongs in the gimped matches thread.
How is Prime gonna cope when smashed with a boulder and having his arms and head ripped off? You dont seem to like that sort of scenario. You want EVERYTHING to be in Prime's favour and NOTHING to be an option for Kong.
If you need to have him wiped out unfairly with range weapons (even though you you cant guarantee that shooting him will do any good) and have prime start from an ideal range of like 400 ft and have Kong sit there like a fool, then by all means, bung it in the gimp thread. 🙂
With range weapons, most likely, (as I said from day one.)
No. You admitted that Prime had a good chance of victory, but very fervently argued in Kong's favor, many times forgetting the former disclaimer outright and making absolute statements that Kong would win.
Your prose hardly matches "Kong would have about as much chance of winning as a random guy has of beating an armed thug".
If the above was really your intentions all along...you were being sophistic and petty.
I think the displayed desire to see Kong bumped off here, shown by you borders on the butthurt and it belongs in the gimped matches thread.
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You just admitted that I was right, so please explain the "butthurt" contention one more time.
If you need to have him wiped out unfairly with range weapons
Ranged weapons are built into his body. They are ergo part of the OP. You don't dictate thread rules.
If you want to make the fight "fair" by eliminating both side's advantages, then the battle becomes a stalemate by definition.
How you could read that into it we'll never know. You're just being obtuse.
Ok with weapons: 'Kong survives Primes piddly shots to crush him with a boulder' or 'Kong closes range and rips Prime's head off' or 'Prime ....you happy with that as a self appraised unbiased unbutthurt poster then? Good. Thats that settled then.
Okay will explain it again: Your reaction so far to any mention of Kong winnage causes you to scream like a BeeGee with his nuts caught in a car door, and piss your e-knickers like a little girl. This makes you seem very very butthurt.
You don't dictate thread rules either. This is why you sound hypocritical and a tad stupid with "This isn't a H2H contest".
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ok with weapons: 'Kong survives Primes piddly shots to crush him with a boulder' or 'Kong closes range and rips Prime's head off' or 'Prime ....you happy with that as a self appraised unbiased unbutthurt poster then? Good. Thats that settled then.
It was already settled; you admitted that Prime would win around 98% of the time.
You don't dictate thread rules either.
The thread parameters are Prime vs Kong. Prime has weapons intrinsically built into his character; nowhere does it state that they are surgically removed prior to the confrontation.
Prime has weapons, so, by your own admission, he wins in all but the most extreme of cases.
If you concede this unconditionally, I'll gladly debate H2H with you. Maybe you could even start another thread. But don't delude yourself into thinking that's what the OP is about.
You proposed it at range.
???
It isn't "at range" or "up close". It's a battle - a battle where Prime can presumably use the guns that are attached to his body.
His arms will moost likely be removed rather UNsurgically during the fight.
Having some short term memory loss problems? You just admitted that this would only happen 2% of the time.
As long as he is alive and in condition where he is operational...
But using those guns may not work. He could miss of fail to inflict damage on Kong enough to stop him from dismembering Prime.
YOU said that. YOU put a figure on it...so its YOU who clearly has short term memory loss.
And since you've argued all the way for a range weapon win for Prime, you clearly DID think this would be a range affair.
He could
Of course it "could". I could argue that the Canadian military "could" conquer the United States. King Kong "could" magically dodge Prime's heavy firepower and "could" conceivably disarm and kill him. But the odds are pretty f*cking long.
And you did agree with my probability assessment, you liar:
With range weapons, most likely, (as I said from day one.)
So why are you suddenly retracting on your statement?
You put a percentage on it that I didnt agree with.
And because the range weaponry is built into Prime, yet the ammo may not be. Particularly the bullet type ones.
I just dont rate Prime's chances as much as you do.
You cherry pick my posts and misrepresent my arguments.
Yes better to do that for you than address any points you dont like, huh? 😉
Cue more tripe in the post below...
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You put a percentage on it that I didnt agree with.
Who cares about the exact percentage? You used the term "most likely" - ergo, Prime wins this thread.
But, feel free to explain how Kong manages on more than 2% of the scenarios to charge into automatic gunfire and comes out on top. Because your "he could evade the shots and disarm him!" is patently laughable, and would work only on the dumbest of luck - 2% is too generous, IMO.
If you think otherwise, PROVIDE VIDEO EVIDENCE, as I've requested literally twenty times by now.
And because the range weaponry is built into Prime, yet the ammo may not be.
😆 You suddenly try bringing this point up now? Tell me this isn't a desperate argument. Feel free to try claiming that you aren't going to the most ridiculous lengths to shape this thread to your benefit.
Of course, even without his guns, Prime would still have these:
Because automatic gunfire doesn't bother Kong as much as you make out, by screen feats...
Who cares...its not that I 'bring this up now' that is the issue. Its that you've 'argued' this long with your bias blinding you from having seen that possibility before.
Not wishing to seem rude, but you're acting a bit thick aren't you...?
Doesn't make you a bad person automatically, but to ignore that Kong blocks shots with his forearms in vids posted already, (whilst claiming evidence hasn't been posted) and repeating said mistake 20 times (your own admission) is dumbness personified.
Prime only has those as long as his arms or head are attached: Therein lays the flaw in your over confidence.
Because automatic gunfire doesn't bother Kong as much as you make out, by screen feats...
Shifting goalposts (again). Now you're arguing that he can tank the shots, after pages upon pages of claiming he could dodge them on "instinct".
Doesn't make you a bad person automatcally, but to ignore that Kong blocks shots with his forearms in vids posted already,
Being able to block browning machine gun rounds with his forearms extends to being able to block firepower with demonstrably greater penetrating power than depleted uranium rounds and missile airstrikes?