Optimus Prime vs. King Kong

Originally posted by Master Han
😆 Buddy, it's clear from the way you phrase this accusation that you have no understanding about said "basic workings of physics", and are attempting to bluff me.

Fine then. Tell me where I go wrong.

You took a position of "Its not Kinetic energy, Its momentum"
If you POTENTIALly understand anything, you will see the hilarity in what you said.

Holy sh*t, you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about.

As seen above, its not you whom should be saying that to anyone.

We're not comparing durability here. As Kong [b]doesn't have weapons, I feel no need to prove that Prime can tank tank rounds and missile strikes (although anyone who actually watched the movies wouldn't question that he could).

We're comparing Prime's firepower with Kong's hide. And you have done nothing to establish that Kong's hide would win.

You have done nothing that establishes that Prime could hit Kong and kill him 100% before Kong takes him out.

The reverse doesn't matter because Kong isn't getting the first hit in...because he has no range capabilities. What part of this don't you understand?

Pulling an OJ Simpson defense is going to help you here. We don't need to know "precisely" what their yield is, and IDK how "which type of energy" (😆) they "draw their source" from is relevant here. What is relevant is that Kong has never demonstrated the ability to tank uranium shots and missile strikes, and Prime's guns are superior to those.

YOU do when making absolutist statements though.
So you admit you don't know WTF you're on about. Good.

From 4:30 here:

YouTube video

Now, Prime here:

YouTube video

Notice that Prime's shots are vastly superior to, what are those - A10s?

Now, has Kong ever tanked the firepower we see scorponok tank?

Oops, no.

Oh dear. Another embarrassing display of ignorance by you.
You admit above that you have no idea of the properties of Prime's weapons. Why you would then effectively suicide your credibility by following up with presenting those as beingmore powerful than those browning rounds surely falls into self hating masochism on your part.
He blows up a few gas tanks. Big deal.
But hey it looks shiny and colourful and there was slow mo and 'moving' music so therefore its scientifically proven then, right? :rolleyes"

Scorponok didn't exactly tank it. his ass was blown off.
Something that you may have glossed over in your rush.

We're not talking about H2H buddy. Try again.

Because you keep pissing your knickers and running when its mentioned, perhaps? ✅

Who said Prime "has" to run behind his guns? It's just that
he can, and therefore he will win. I don't want to talk about h2h until you concede that guns > flesh. [/B]

You do, actually, in refusing constantly to discuss H2H.
Mosquitos can attack flesh too. Do they insta kill with their bites? Kong has shown tanking ability and is bigger than Prime and has serious durability.
T-Rexes also "> Flesh" but look what happened to 'them...

Your admitted ignorance of what Primes weapons are and how they work whilst definitely being sure that they are superior to a serious heavy cal weapons on Earth (even though they are shown knocking down, damaging and sometimes killing BayTFs) has rendered your argument as arbitrary and easily dismissible.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You took a position of "Its not Kinetic energy, Its momentum"
If you POTENTIALly understand anything, you will see the hilarity in what you said.

So you respond to my point that your vague assertion of authority was an obvious bluffing tactic...by making another vague assertion of authority? 😆

Kinetic energy is never entirely conserved in a collision. That bullets make unbraced decepticons recoil has zero relevance to their ability to "absorb" kinetic energy (lol wtf) and everything to do with their mass and center of gravity. That Kong, while bracing himself, can deflect brownings doesn't give him a durability advantage at all.

You both seem to forget the scene where Blackout effortlessly wipes out an entire military base. This is what happens when the humans don't have prep time, or the element of surprise.

He has weapons. Arms/egs and four fists

😆

So, to prove that Prime can survive Kong's fists, or more specifically, that he can shoot him before Kong closes the distance, I have to establish that Prime can tank missile strikes and tank rounds?

That logic does not compute. It computes for my point, because I simultaneously established that Prime's weapons > heavy modern weapons. You have failed to establish an equivalent line of reasoning for Kong's fists.

You have done nothing that establishes that Prime could hit Kong and kill him 100% before Kong takes him out.

You admitted that Prime's pulling this off is the "most likely" (your own words) outcome. The above rebuttal is about as convincing as:

You have done nothing that establishes that Joe Bloggs could charge the gunman and kill him 100% before the guy with the loaded, pointed gun shoots him trololol!

I dont understand why you think you're dictating the thread, or where you think that would get you.

I dictate nothing. The OP says Prime vs. Kong. Prime has weapons built into his body. There's no reason why he wouldn't be allowed to use them.

YOU do when making absolutist statements though.

🙄 If it makes you feel better, I'll add a "99% of the time" disclaimer when I point out that Prime's heavy guns could wreck Kong's flesh and blood face*.

*99% of the time. Kong may have a 1% chance of closing the distance and ripping Prime's arms out (even though you've never posted video of Kong ripping reinforced armor).

Oh dear. Another embarrassing display of ignorance by you.
You admit above that you have no idea of the properties of Prime's weapons. Why you would then effectively suicide your credibility by following up with presenting those as beingmore powerful than those browning rounds surely falls into self hating masochism on your part.
He blows up a few gas tanks. Big deal.
But hey it looks shiny and colourful and there was slow mo and 'moving' music so therefore its scientifically proven then, right? :rolleyes"

Given that, after literally dozens of requests, you've not only failed to provide any video documentation of your claims, but have actually snipped the requests out of your replies, you can drop the sophistic double standards now.

It doesn't matter how precisely Prime's weapons function; they shoot fast moving, often explosive projectiles that would wreck a flesh and blood giant ape. You can moan Kong's name in climax all you want, it won't change this simple product of ballistics.

Scorponok didn't exactly tank it. his ass was blown off.
Something that you may have glossed over in your rush.

More irrelevant nitpicking on your part; the point is that Prime's weapons worked better and faster than the A10's (?). And said minigun >>>>>>>> Kong.

You do, actually, in refusing constantly to discuss H2H.

What? You refuse to discuss invisible flying pink unicorns, so I suppose you're admitting that they exist. It's not as if it has no relevance to the thread, or anything.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
yes it does. their ability to absorb kinetic energy has everything to do with strength.

Oh really?

Just FYI, fucachumps, material that crumples is actually "better" at absorbing kinetic energy. Hence why cars have crumple zones. So if you wish to argue that Kong's soft and squishy flesh will better absorb KE than Prime's metal superstructure, go right ahead.

Originally posted by Master Han
So you respond to my point that your vague assertion of authority was an obvious bluffing tactic...by making another vague assertion of authority? 😆

Kinetic energy is never entirely conserved in a collision. That bullets make unbraced decepticons recoil has [b]zero relevance to their ability to "absorb" kinetic energy (lol wtf) and everything to do with their mass and center of gravity. That Kong, while bracing himself, can deflect brownings doesn't give him a durability advantage at all.

Conserved? lol
I said nothing of absorbtion. Ohhhhh right! They tripped off balance, right...? Yeah bullets musta had nothing to do with it at all, right? lol

You both seem to forget the scene where Blackout effortlessly wipes out an entire military base. This is what happens when the humans don't have prep time, or the element of surprise.

Because he had a shield (that later meant nothing).
Humans aren't a combatant here, as much as you would love that to be, as they save Prime's arse. He owes them his life.

[quote]
So, to prove that Prime can survive Kong's fists, or more specifically, that he can shoot him before Kong closes the distance, I have to establish that Prime can tank missile strikes and tank rounds?

I said nothing of the sort.
I was memerly addressing holes in your logic and your chosen point's (ir)relevancy.

That logic does not compute. It computes for my point, because I simultaneously established that Prime's weapons > heavy modern weapons. You have failed to establish an equivalent line of reasoning for Kong's fists.

You admitted that Prime's pulling this off is the "most likely" (your own words) outcome. The above rebuttal is about as convincing as:

You have done nothing that establishes that Joe Bloggs could charge the gunman and kill him 100% before the guy with the loaded, pointed gun shoots him trololol!

I dictate nothing.

The OP says Prime vs. Kong. Prime has weapons built into his body. There's no reason why he wouldn't be allowed to use them.

🙄 If it makes you feel better, I'll add a "99% of the time" disclaimer when I point out that Prime's heavy guns could wreck Kong's flesh and blood face*.

*99% of the time. Kong may have a 1% chance of closing the distance and ripping Prime's arms out (even though you've never posted video of Kong ripping reinforced armor).

Ok I guess then, with that concession, I shall return the favour: that you are only wrong 99% of the time.

Given that, after literally dozens of requests, you've not only failed to provide any video documentation of your claims, but have actually snipped the requests out of your replies, you can drop the sophistic double standards now.

It doesn't matter how precisely Prime's weapons function; they shoot fast moving, often explosive projectiles that would wreck a flesh and blood giant ape. You can moan Kong's name in climax all you want, it won't change this simple product of ballistics.

More irrelevant nitpicking on your part; the point is that Prime's weapons worked better and faster than the A10's (?). And said minigun >>>>>>>> Kong.

'Better' is subjective. Data matters. Data you refuse to provide.
You made another completely incorrect statement and was again called on it. Big difference between that and "nitpicking".

What? You refuse to discuss invisible flying pink unicorns, so I suppose you're admitting that they exist. It's not as if it has no relevance to the thread, or anything. [/B]

Yes...rant incoherently, crying tears of anal fluid some more as your leap from strawman point to strawman point.
H2H is neither pink, invisible or a unicron...yet you refuse to discuss it despite having immense relevance in this thread.

I just know the difference between potential and kinetic energy.

the lipstick posse has been seething with butthurt since quan cried off, but their numbers have grown.

too bad they have nothing to contradict evidence but fluff.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh really?

if you have nothing to contribute then maybe you should gtfo before you end up throwing another tantrum and embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by Master Han

Ahhhh so you're Blaxican?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ahhhh so you're Blaxican?

No...he's definitely not.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
the lipstick posse has been seething with butthurt since quan cried off.

Indeed.

The rouge of their lipstick doesn't seem to be adequate for them anymore.
Now they run away from points at such speed that they cause redshift in their desperation for the faces to appear more red.

As if their faces shouldn't be red enough from embarrassment at their own 'arguments'.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No...he's definitely not.

Oh my mistake he must've linked to a Blaxican named account quite innocently then.

the real question: how man butthurt pathetic clownshoes does it take to make kinetic energy irrelevant to bullets? clown

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh my mistake he must've linked to a Blaxican named account quite innocently then.

That should prove, once and for all, that he's a sock troll...he's reusing other members often-posted images (but something Blaxican has not posted in a while, iirc...)

Well, unless Han is going through threads and just reading them. Which would be pretty sad/pathetic. I'm pretty sure Han isn't doing that.

Robtard has known who this was for ages...

Originally posted by dadudemon
That should prove, once and for all, that he's a sock troll...he's reusing other members often-posted images (but something Blaxican has not posted in a while, iirc...)

Well, unless Han is going through threads and just reading them. Which would be pretty sad/pathetic. I'm pretty sure Han isn't doing that.

Robtard has known who this was for ages...

stick to the topic or gtfo. 🙂

Originally posted by focus4chumps
stick to the topic or gtfo. 🙂

Okay: you don't know what you're talking about and you should stop posting words like "kinetic" and "energy."

Han has been pretty much right about everything and you're clearly an trolling.

But we all already knew that.

Are you happy, now, that I fed the sock troll?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay: you don't know what you're talking about and you should stop posting words like "kinetic" and "energy."

Han has been pretty much right about everything and you're clearly an trolling.

But we all already knew that.

Are you happy, now, that I fed the sock troll?

oh i get it, this is the versus forum and you're allowed to obvious troll so here you are lying and obvious trolling.

well as long as you know your place and dont even think about pulling this clown shit in other forums. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
That should prove, once and for all, that he's a sock troll...he's reusing other members often-posted images (but something Blaxican has not posted in a while, iirc...)

Dude, you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about, lol.

If you were to look at context, Blax posted that gif in response to a debate I had over gay marriage with another poster, after said poster claimed that interracial marriage was immoral. It's from the SW vs. forum battle cafe.

That's the only place I know it from.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
oh i get it, this is the versus forum and you're allowed to obvious troll so here you are lying and obvious trolling.

well as long as you know your place and dont even think about pulling this clown shit in other forums. 🙂

Calling you on your bluff.

fucachumps, why don't you kindly define "kinetic energy" for us, and explain how it relates to the snipers' shooting the transformers.

Careful, it's a tricky question. If you want, you can even call sadako for help. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about:

I just know the difference between potential and kinetic energy.

🤣

Go ahead. Laugh at my phraseology: But your earlier arguments denoted a complete lack of understanding of the subject on your part. 🙂

You lost. You're sore, you have to attempt to save face somehow I guess.

😮‍💨

Tell me, Sadako; you claim to understand the difference between kinetic and potential energy.

Kindly educate dadudemon and myself on the topic.

Han completely kicked your ass, Sadsack.