Darkseid. Obviously, he has experience in governance. But above all else is he has an authoritarian mindset...he lives to subjugate people, concepts, and powers to his will
Thanos is not a character concerned with authority or influence (he willingly effected an air of submission towards annihilus...) but rather is more refined in manipulation (...until such time that he found annihilus' and his goals did not coincide) and knowledge. Until the past few years he was interested in gaining death's favor...ruling lands and influencing others was irrelevant to him.
In fact we need only look at adam warlock's assessment of thanos...everytime he attains supreme power, he sub-consciously knows that he is unworthy, and provides the means to his own undoing. DS doesn't have this trait. Thanos is much more willing to work with others in order to manipulate them for his own personal agenda. He's never had an agenda of conquest. I would even say that he finds conquest such a small and limited idea.
Originally posted by TenebrousI disagree.
Darkseid. Obviously, he has experience in governance. But above all else is he has an authoritarian mindset...he lives to subjugate people, concepts, and powers to his willThanos is not a character concerned with authority or influence (he willingly effected an air of submission towards annihilus...) but rather is more refined in manipulation (...until such time that he found annihilus' and his goals did not coincide) and knowledge. Until the past few years he was interested in gaining death's favor...ruling lands and influencing others was irrelevant to him.
In fact we need only look at adam warlock's assessment of thanos...everytime he attains supreme power, he sub-consciously knows that he is unworthy, and provides the means to his own undoing. DS doesn't have this trait. Thanos is much more willing to work with others in order to manipulate them for his own personal agenda. He's never had an agenda of conquest. I would even say that he finds conquest such a small and limited idea.
Thanos subjugates those to his will and above all things accomplishes what he sets out for. If this is his goal he isn't going to drop the ball so to speak.
Subconsciously losing which he hasn't done since ig is just a plot device for him to lose. He didn't lose his power in the hotu by the way. Anyways even if that were allowed to enter a thread that is only after he achieves his goal not before so.
Thanos doesn't need an army, but in his past has shown the ability to amass quite an army early on in his history.
IM gonna say they all start from scratch like the OP said. DS has the experience. He has the type of personality to, he enjoys the power and wielding it to control people.
But... His world Apok, is a sh*t hole. Everyone is suffering and in despair. There is no Golden Age, since it's a perpetual sh*t hole. They have crazy tech but seems like a they just invested everything in thier military and science.
Thanos isn't the type that would want to make alot of people suffer and warship him. He is a badass mofo and kill you if your in his way but he isn't egotistical sadist.
Thanos is very resourceful and has one of the best minds of the MU.
I would rather live in a world ruled by Thanos then DS.
IMO it's a toss up in the Robotics and warmachine categories. As for genetics and Ships are concerned Thanos made clones that fooled death and Thanos ship aint no joke.
Not sure about the economy but DS world, looks like everyone is a bum and dressed in rags.
Society and Culture (idk if Apok has any of this). Can't say anything for thanos on this area.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
Darkseid. Obviously, he has experience in governance. But above all else is he has an authoritarian mindset...he lives to subjugate people, concepts, and powers to his willThanos is not a character concerned with authority or influence (he willingly effected an air of submission towards annihilus...) but rather is more refined in manipulation (...until such time that he found annihilus' and his goals did not coincide) and knowledge. Until the past few years he was interested in gaining death's favor...ruling lands and influencing others was irrelevant to him.
In fact we need only look at adam warlock's assessment of thanos...everytime he attains supreme power, he sub-consciously knows that he is unworthy, and provides the means to his own undoing. DS doesn't have this trait. Thanos is much more willing to work with others in order to manipulate them for his own personal agenda. He's never had an agenda of conquest. I would even say that he finds conquest such a small and limited idea.
We all know that thanos is not the type to rule the universe. but this thread is about which of these two can build a glorious empire that is more powerful then the kree or the skrull. Darkseid has more experience in running an empire but Apokolips is handly an empire becuase most of the people are slave. before i thought darkseid would win because i did not think it through. to have an empire you need great people such has philosphers,warriors,scientist,politician,military genius etc. That why i think the kree is the greatest empire. Thanos is not has selfish has darkseid is. But darkseid is the perfect candidate to challenge thanos because he turn apokolips into one of the most feared planets in the universe legendary for it nuclear weapons.
Originally posted by beast1234
We all know that thanos is not the type to will the universe. but this thread is about which of these two can build a glorious empire that is more powerful then the kree or the skrull. Darkseid has more experience in running an empire but Apokolips is handly an empire becuase most of the people are slave. before i thought darkseid would win because i did not think it through. to have an empire you need great people such has philosphers,warriors,scientist,politician,military genius etc. That why i think the kree is the greatest empire. Thanos is not has selfish has darkseid is. But darkseid is the perfect candidate to challenge thanos because he turn apokolips into one of the most feared planets in the universe legendary for it nuclear weapons.
Exactly what I pointed out in the first post. Apokolips may not qualify for wealth and culture, depending on your point of view.
Apokolips is a dictatorship, which is an empire. Also, Apokolips doesn't have nukes in the conventional sense. They do have planet killing and planet conquering weapons though. Which Darkseid lends or gives out to other people ostensibly as an arms dealer, but really it's just to spread his influence and make people suffer.
There is no dispute as to how powerful an empire made by Darkseid would be. The question is whether it meets the criteria for this thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree.Thanos subjugates those to his will and above all things accomplishes what he sets out for. If this is his goal he isn't going to drop the ball so to speak.
Subconsciously losing which he hasn't done since ig is just a plot device for him to lose. He didn't lose his power in the hotu by the way. Anyways even if that were allowed to enter a thread that is only after he achieves his goal not before so.
Thanos doesn't need an army, but in his past has shown the ability to amass quite an army early on in his history.
Thanos doesn't overtly subjugate. He is much more a manipulator...he will subjugate 1 to control 100.
"If this is his goal" is the key....you and I both know it's not in his character to go running around setting up empires. He will get BORED. Remember that issue where he reveals his monster craft, and how he explained he built it in his "early years" when he merely dreamed of conquest?
Now if he had to assemble an empire so that it would somehow serve his personal means, then he could do it. But to create an empire for its own end...he doesn't find such things interesting. How many times has Thanos dismissed conquest as "petty"
Originally posted by TenebrousYes, but in this thread that is his goal. If Mistress Death told him to build an empire, he'd build an empire.
Thanos doesn't overtly subjugate. He is much more a manipulator...he will subjugate 1 to control 100."If this is his goal" is the key....you and I both know it's not in his character to go running around setting up empires. He will get BORED. Remember that issue where he reveals his monster craft, and how he explained he built it in his "early years" when he merely dreamed of conquest?
Now if he had to assemble an empire so that it would somehow serve his personal means, then he could do it. But to create an empire for its own end...he doesn't find such things interesting. How many times has Thanos dismissed conquest as "petty"
I agree that prolly wouldn't do this on his own, but this thread has them both out to do this and to that end I see Thanos seeing it through.