Originally posted by AllanklesWhat? I have been over this with you. Unlike Ds, Thanos has changed as a character. His actions in annihilation were because he was bored. Good thing the guy wasn't motivated to universal destruction at the time.
A few minis where he got quick power ups, nothing sustainable as an enjoyable long term series.He's had his non power up phases where he clashed with SS, but again they went with a plot where he was killing defenseless populations for universal balance, again not a story that his arch enemy SS or himself could thrive in to produce an interesting conflict.
Marvel doesn't give Thanos good motivations for doing what he does, Annhilation being the most recent example.
I like marvel's direction for Thanos and I think that dc's take on Darkseid is utterly a borefest.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' actions in annihilation were because he was bored. the guy wasn't motivated and I think that he is utterly a borefest.
Fixed.
Do you think that the reason his character keeps changing is because his previous iterations didn't work well?
Look at Norman Osborn or Lex Luthor. Both characters have changed for the better. Luthor went from being generic mad scientist Pre Crisis to a business mongul/scientist/entrepeneur Post-Crisis.
Norman went from second rate villain to Spidey, to mastermind on the level of Luthor. These characters are changed when their previous incarnations don't do them justice.
Same thing applies to Thanos, his power up minis were always short sighted in their scope, blame the writers, there was nothing sustainable as far as good story telling with those plots. So they have to change up his character to try and improve that.
No need for DC to change what makes DS a great villain. Manipulator, warlord, his malleable principles of honor, complexity and his desire to be the one god.
You read the Jack Kirby stuff and the JKFW and it's easy t see how they've made the NG saga sustainable, a war which has been fought in many ways on many different avenues/planes/fields all leading to "final battle" as we saw in Final Crisis. "Final battle" has been a part of the NG story at least as far back as the mid 90's.
These things were building up for years, not just a quick short sighted mini, characters like Thanos need to be changed up, DS doesn't, he can already contribute to make good stories.
Originally posted by Allankleslulz.
Fixed.Do you think that the reason his character keeps changing is because his previous iterations didn't work well?
Look at Norman Osborn or Lex Luthor. Both characters have changed for the better. Luthor went from being generic mad scientist Pre Crisis to a business mongul/scientist/entrepeneur Post-Crisis.
Norman went from second rate villain to Spidey, to mastermind on the level of Luthor. These characters are changed when their previous incarnations don't do them justice.
Same thing applies to Thanos, his power up minis were always short sighted in their scope, blame the writers, there was nothing sustainable as far as good story telling with those plots. So they have to change up his character to try and improve that.
No need for DC to change what makes DS a great villain. Manipulator, warlord, his malleable principles of honor, complexity and his desire to be the one god.
You read the Jack Kirby stuff and the JKW and it's easy t see how they've made the NG saga sustainable, a war which has been fought in many ways on many different avenues/planes/fields all leading to "final battle" as we saw in Final Crisis. "Finable battle" has been a part of the NG story at least as far back as the mid 90's.
These things were building up for years, not just a quick short sighted mini, characters like Thanos need to be changed up, DS doesn't, he can already contribute to make good stories.
Darksied's long term plans are that awesome...yet he failed badly in FC all that time planning and still failed.
Originally posted by AllanklesChanging my quote just shows how utterly desperate you are.
Fixed.Do you think that the reason his character keeps changing is because his previous iterations didn't work well?
Look at Norman Osborn or Lex Luthor. Both characters have changed for the better. Luthor went from being generic mad scientist Pre Crisis to a business mongul/scientist/entrepeneur Post-Crisis.
Norman went from second rate villain to Spidey, to mastermind on the level of Luthor. These characters are changed when their previous incarnations don't do them justice.
Same thing applies to Thanos, his power up minis were always short sighted in their scope, blame the writers, there was nothing sustainable as far as good story telling with those plots. So they have to change up his character to try and improve that.
No need for DC to change what makes DS a great villain. Manipulator, warlord, his malleable principles of honor, complexity and his desire to be the one god.
You read the Jack Kirby stuff and the JKFW and it's easy t see how they've made the NG saga sustainable, a war which has been fought in many ways on many different avenues/planes/fields all leading to "final battle" as we saw in Final Crisis. "Final battle" has been a part of the NG story at least as far back as the mid 90's.
These things were building up for years, not just a quick short sighted mini, characters like Thanos need to be changed up, DS doesn't, he can already contribute to make good stories.
No, the reason he keeps changing as a character is the fact that acquiring outside power has never really fulfilled him the way he thought it would. Thanos has achieved his goals and is right beside Mistress Death. Ds still hasn't achieved his.
Most of your post has nothing to do with success, but just your opinion on the matter. Thanos is held in high regard while Darkseid is mocked across the boards. Blame the writers.
Ds has gotten old and stale. I mean how many times do we have to see Ds and the ale. It's like Thanos still showing up with the ig. Been there done that. He has moved on while Ds hasn't. Not only that but the ale doesn't work on insane people.
I like different stories while you are content with the same old stuff thirty years later.
Originally posted by skyfather
lulz.Darksied's long term plans are that awesome...yet he failed badly in FC all that time planning and still failed.
I don't get how this address my post. I said DS stories if you read the JKFW or the original JK comics are far more sustainable as far as good story telling is concerned. This is about story telling not who got what.
And unless you missed it, DS destroyed New Genesis in "final battle".
Originally posted by AllanklesOff panel and because of the ale.
I don't get how this address my post. I said DS stories if you read the JKFW or the original JK comics are far more sustainable as far as good story telling is concerned. This is about story telling not who got what.And unless you missed it, DS destroyed New Genesis in "final battle".
Originally posted by Allanklesdestroying new genssis wasnt his main or end goal.
I don't get how this address my post. I said DS stories if you read the JKFW or the original JK comics are far more sustainable as far as good story telling is concerned. This is about story telling not who got what.And unless you missed it, DS destroyed New Genesis in "final battle".
Originally posted by quanchi112
Changing my quote just shows how utterly desperate you are.No, the reason he keeps changing as a character is the fact that acquiring outside power has never really fulfilled him the way he thought it would. Thanos has achieved his goals and is right beside Mistress Death. Ds still hasn't achieved his.
Again how is being beside Mistress Death good for a plot? How does it translate into Thanos actually playing a role in making a story good? It doesn't, he jumps into situations with zero sense of urgency because he'll be bakc with lady Death anyway, again you read enough stories and this is the hallmark of weak story telling.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Most of your post has nothing to do with success, but just your opinion on the matter. Thanos is held in high regard while Darkseid is mocked across the boards. Blame the writers.
I don't see anyone familiar with the New God comics mocking DS. 1st they understand that the war with New Genesis was always for the fate of the universe. 2) That the war in the 4th world has spilled over many realities and all these conflicts lead to "final battle" where all time becomes one time and the final outcome is decided.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds has gotten old and stale. I mean how many times do we have to see Ds and the ale. It's like Thanos still showing up with the ig. Been there done that. He has moved on while Ds hasn't. Not only that but the ale doesn't work on insane people.
Shows how much you know, the ALE is not something that appears all that often pick up the comprehensive JKFW, most of the New God titles hell even DOTNG or Countdown and the ALE is not featured or doesn't play a big role. It has it's place it doesn't appear in majority of DS' stories
Originally posted by quanchi112
I like different stories while you are content with the same old stuff thirty years later.
LOL Pick up A NG comic sometime. The war has taken many different forms, many different characters are invovled and it's not even always about the direct conflict with New Genesis and Apokolips. Geez, stop talking out of your ass.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestdarksied's goal was to conquer earth and enslve humanity.
Then what was? Let's see how much you actually know.What was Darkseid's goal? What is his guiding philosophy? Why does Darkseid do what he does? And, what is the ALE, just for good measure?
darksied wants to be the arcitect of the 5th world,he does what he does because he is a despot ruler.
the ale takes away free will