Darkseid vs Thanos(engineering an empire)

Originally posted by Allankles
Again how is being beside Mistress Death good for a plot? How does it translate into Thanos actually playing a role in making a story good? It doesn't, he jumps into situations with zero sense of urgency because he'll be bakc with lady Death anyway, again you read enough stories and this is the hallmark of weak story telling.

I don't see anyone familiar with the New God comics mocking DS. 1st they understand that the war with New Genesis was always for the fate of the universe. 2) That the war in the 4th world has spilled over many realities and all these conflicts lead to "final battle" where all time becomes one time and the final outcome is decided.

Shows how much you know, the ALE is not something that appears all that often pick up the comprehensive JKFW, most of the New God titles hell even DOTNG or Countdown and the ALE is not featured or doesn't play a big role. It has it's place it doesn't appear in majority of DS' stories

LOL Pick up A NG comic sometime. The war has taken many different forms, many different characters are invovled and it's not even always about the direct conflict with New Genesis and Apokolips. Geez, stop talking out of your ass.

Annihilus was held in high regard with Mistress death and he organized the abduction of Galactus through T and A.

I have the entire run of the new gods. This is all subjective here mind you, but I find them boring with the same song and dance being gone over again and again.

Ds wanted the ale since the beginning and held an aspect of it during rock of ages and is still at it nowadays. Snoozefest. The ale shouldn't even be dragged into these stories anymore. It's a 30 plus year thing.

I have picked up many. Ares was the one who ended Izaya, not Ds. In countdown the Source defeated all the new gods. Ds's ultimate triumph happened off panel and with the ale. Not that glorious imo.

I found it ironic to have Morrion use Batman to deliver the fatal blow to Ds even though he mocked Batman causing Ds to bleed.

Originally posted by Mekrob
Trick just wants to understand the story, so he asked someone to explain it for him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has always wanted her affections. He has always had a fascination with death which makes him stand out more than your typical I want to control everything type of villain.

Annihilus was held in high regard with Mistress death and he organized the abduction of Galactus through T and A.

So? I don't see how what you've written makes Thanos a better character. You've only given me the same points that make Thanos dull.

There's nothing there that makes a good foil for a hero.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have the entire run of the new gods.

I doubt you do, given that you think the ALE is in every DS related story when that doesn't come close to being the case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ale shouldn't even be dragged into these stories anymore. It's a 30 plus year thing.

The ALE is knowledge, a doctrine that states that DS is the rightful master of all sentient beings in the universe. If it were merely a gem or some device, you'd have a point, but it is more than that ...

Too bad Thanos's plans only go as far as stealing a few trinkets and tech.

thanos take this

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
But by the same token, Thanos's supporters haven't given proof that Thanos can make ANY system work long term.

Thanos had his own following of Nihilists that spanned across galaxies. He's also been shown to be very charismatic while leading whole armies before...which is somewhat similar to a civilization. Hell, he even charmed the People of Rigel after it was his fault that half their planet's population was destroyed. Leading an empire would be no problem for Thanos, if that's what he wanted (which he doesn't normally, but for the purposes of this thread he does.)

Originally posted by Lord Feron
IM gonna say they all start from scratch like the OP said. DS has the experience. He has the type of personality to, he enjoys the power and wielding it to control people.

But... His world Apok, is a sh*t hole. Everyone is suffering and in despair. There is no Golden Age, since it's a perpetual sh*t hole. They have crazy tech but seems like a they just invested everything in thier military and science.

Thanos isn't the type that would want to make alot of people suffer and warship him. He is a badass mofo and kill you if your in his way but he isn't egotistical sadist.

Thanos is very resourceful and has one of the best minds of the MU.

I would rather live in a world ruled by Thanos then DS.

IMO it's a toss up in the Robotics and warmachine categories. As for genetics and Ships are concerned Thanos made clones that fooled death and Thanos ship aint no joke.

Not sure about the economy but DS world, looks like everyone is a bum and dressed in rags.

Society and Culture (idk if Apok has any of this). Can't say anything for thanos on this area.

I pretty much agree with everything here. I'd especially give Thanos the edge in genetics and star ships.

Also, as far as other tech goes and Darkseid creating things that 'penetrate' the Source Wall...Thanos has drained off the power of all the Infinity Gems and turned it into a weapon, plus has done extensive research on the Heart of the Universe and the Power Cosmic.

If this were in a comic, Darkseid would win. It's just not in Thanos' character to do this type of stuff. But since its specified here, I'm giving Thanos the nod.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos had his own following of Nihilists that spanned across galaxies. He's also been shown to be very charismatic while leading whole armies before...which is somewhat similar to a civilization. Hell, he even charmed the People of Rigel after it was his fault that half their planet's population was destroyed. Leading an empire would be no problem for Thanos, if that's what he wanted (which he doesn't normally, but for the purposes of this thread he does.)

I pretty much agree with everything here. I'd especially give Thanos the edge in genetics and star ships.

Also, as far as other tech goes and Darkseid creating things that 'penetrate' the Source Wall...Thanos has drained off the power of all the Infinity Gems and turned it into a weapon, plus has done extensive research on the Heart of the Universe and the Power Cosmic.

If this were in a comic, Darkseid would win. It's just not in Thanos' character to do this type of stuff. But since its specified here, I'm giving Thanos the nod.

Good to see you back Eny... where have you been hiding?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Good to see you back Eny... where have you been hiding?

Grad school is rough this time of year. And work's been too busy to get on from there lately.

Yeah I know what you mean buddy that can make it tough to find time. My girl right now is trying to get in Berkeley Grad and has barely anytime for anything other then school. Well, I hope things quite down a little buddy.

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Originally posted by Enyalus
I pretty much agree with everything here. I'd especially give Thanos the edge in genetics and star ships.

Genetics I could see an argument there but star ships? Apokolips has an extensive array of star ships, it'd be more likely for DS to constuct these. DS can also apparently form state-sized star ships with his power alone.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos had his own following of Nihilists that spanned across galaxies.

DS has worshippers all over the cosmos even on Earth (JK's first stories of the NG). Apparently even MM's brother was one of his devotees.

Originally posted by Allankles
Genetics I could see an argument there but star ships? Apokolips has an extensive array of star ships, it'd be more likely for DS to constuct these. DS can also apparently form state-sized star ships with his power alone.

I'll have to see if Quan or anyone else recalls how large the Dreadnaught666 was. Planet-destroying power with a single blast and I think...over 60 miles in length. Unsure about the last part. I can find out later.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I'll have to see if Quan or anyone else recalls how large the Dreadnaught666 was. Planet-destroying power with a single blast and I think...over 60 miles in length. Unsure about the last part. I can find out later.

DS created a Star ship the size of New York state with his own power.

thanos easily,in every department.

Originally posted by skyfather
thanos easily,in every department.

No.

Inventions, military science, devotion/loyalty, size, influence, industry. DS has experience in all of this and thus stomps Thanos by default. Thanos doesn't really have the track record.

As far as economy goes Apokolips doesn't use the flawed human models of economy. He can create city-planets with power and energy being supplied by vast fire pits.

The only department Thanos might get the nod by default is the number of wealthy individuals.

Probably culture too. Apokolips isn't exactly a patron of the arts. Unless you like looking at Darkseid. 😂

Originally posted by Allankles
No.

Inventions, military science, devotion/loyalty, size, influence, industry. DS has experience in all of this and thus stomps Thanos by default. Thanos doesn't really have the track record.

As far as economy goes Apokolips doesn't use the flawed human models of economy. He can create city-planets with power and energy being supplied by vast fire pits.

The only department Thanos might get the nod by default is the number of wealthy individuals.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Probably culture too. Apokolips isn't exactly a patron of the arts. Unless you like looking at Darkseid. 😂

Art? Yes. But culture is a more broad subject.

Originally posted by Mindset
fanboy

I'm a DS fan, just like you're a von Doom fan. 🙂

"Die for Darkseid" That's rather hard to argue for as culture, though you are right that culture is subjective.