Darkseid vs Thanos(engineering an empire)

Originally posted by Allankles
So a bunch of marvel inclined kids prefer Thanos over DS? glad you cleared that up.

Too bad DS has been treated to better stories across all forms of media.

Originally posted by Mekrob
You made a point about him being bigger in the media, and having a better rep. 😐

Yeah! Because we were talking about rep, DS has a better rep both in-universe relative to both companies and out of universe across the board in media.

Originally posted by Mekrob
Using that logic, Wolverine is far better than Darkseid can ever dream of being.

We're talking about rep as a whole. Wolvie has the better rep out of universe (goes without saying).

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the point is that Ds has seen his fair share of embarrassing moments over the years thanks to dc not anything to do with marvel fans. Dc fans also mock Ds. I am saying that his reputation has seen far better days and you have to reference GDS or precrisis on either of these boards to garner respect for Darkseid.

What does embarassment have to do with story telling?

"Hunger Dogs" was a good tragic story about both Esak and DS, for different reasons, didn't stop it from being a decent story. And if you know, DS was weakened in that story.

My qualms with let say Superman/Batman have little to do with DS losing and more to do with the premise and the story telling. There was nothing effective or purposeful about the story telling. It was a hack job.

King Kirby would be ashamed of those plots.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah! Because we were talking about rep, DS has a better rep both in-universe relative to both companies and out of universe across the board in media.

We're talking about rep as a whole. Wolvie has the better rep out of universe (goes without saying).

The rest was you trying to cite another character's popularity as proof of anything is beyond ridiculous.

Originally posted by Allankles
What does embarassment have to do with story telling?

"Hunger Dogs" was a good tragic story about both Esak and DS for different reasons, didn't stop it from being a decent story. And if you know DS was weakened in that story.

My qualms with let say Superman/Batman have little to do with DS losing and more to do with the premise and the story telling. There was nothing effective or purposeful about the story telling. It was a hack job.

King Kirby would be ashamed of those plots.

Thanos makes fewer appearances,which is much better than Ds showing up all the time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has a far better rep in his universe than Darkseid does in his.

Continue deluding yourself. DS is more feared and respect across the board within his fictional universe (even stated as the most feared god in DC and the lore of the Old gods). And he has a more prominent role within DC as a whole out-of universe. Thanos is a fringe type character by comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The rest was you trying to cite another character's popularity as proof of anything is beyond ridiculous.

We were talking about rep (which you brought up) and I simply pointed out that DS has better rep overall through his appearances and contributions in media, as well as overall importance etc.

The best you could come up with was the opinion of a few people on CBR and herochat, can't say anything about that, except it's a lot less legit than what I mentioned for DS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't change the fact that it is canon.

Who said otherwise? I have qualms with a lot of writers, nothing new there. DS is obviously more important to his company than Thanos is to his, no need to beat around the bush on this issue.

Originally posted by Allankles
Continue deluding yourself. DS is more feared and respect across the board within his fictional universe (even stated as the most feared god in DC and the lore of the Old gods). And he has a more prominent role within DC as a whole out-of universe. Thanos is a fringe type character by comparison.

We were talking about rep (which you brought up) and I simply pointed out that DS has better rep overall through his appearances and contributions in media, as well as overall importance etc.

The best you could come up with was the opinion of a few people on CBR and herochat, can't say anything about that, except it's a lot less legit than what I mentioned for DS.

Ds is a character that always manages to lose while Thanos is above his competition while Ds isn't even when the deck is stacked in his favor.

Ds is more widely known, but that's ok with me.

The majority of experienced comic readers call Ds as they see him. You on the other hand tend to ignore his embarrassing moments while most fans don't ignore what they don't like.

Originally posted by Allankles
Who said otherwise? I have qualms with a lot of writers, nothing new there. DS is obviously more important to his company than Thanos is to his, no need to beat around the bush on this issue.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah! Because we were talking about rep, DS has a better rep both in-universe relative to both companies and out of universe across the board in media.

We're talking about rep as a whole. Wolvie has the better rep out of universe (goes without saying).

Either way, what the 'media' thinks is irrelevant. It's basically a popularity contest when you bring that type of shit up... since DS has been in more events, and has been exposed more, obviously the media will have a better opinion of him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was needed by TOAA while Ds is feared yes, but let's face it here. The guy fears his father and was easily replaced. Most of what you speak of is hyperbole while Thanos has become god how many times. He has managed to win over death, tricked Meph,etc.

And? Story telling isn't about building up good resumes on the cheap. You're talking about resume building, in the world of fiction that is completely irrelevant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds is a character that always manages to lose while Thanos is above his competition while Ds isn't even when the deck is stacked in his favor.

They've all lost according to the dictates of the story. Nothing new there.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
he majority of experienced comic readers call Ds as they see him. You on the other hand tend to ignore his embarrassing moments while most fans don't ignore what they don't like.

I just said I have qualms with a lot of writers and you'll telling me I ignore moments? I care more about good story telling, and that's what you don't seem to get. A poor story isn't worth discussing, if the story as a whole is poor I'm not going to care about it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he isn't. If he were so then he wouldn't be getting such harsh treatment imo. Morrison chastized those writers and then had Batman mortally wound Ds. I find that highly amusing.

What's highly amusing about getting shot by a "kryptonite" bullet? The context supported that event. When the context doesn't support such events then they get embarrassing otherwise... You need to read more.

Originally posted by Allankles
And? Story telling isn't about building up good resumes on the cheap. You're talking about resume building, in the world of fiction that is completely irrelevant.

They've all lost according to the dictates of the story. Nothing new there.

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I just said I have qualms with a lot of writers and you'll telling me I ignore moments? I care more about good story telling, and that's what you don't seem to get. A poor story isn't worth discussing, if the story as a whole is poor I'm not going to care about it.

Thanos didn't have anything taken from him. It is about how they lose. Ds always gets beat, but the same cannot be said of Thanos.

This is all subjective and my point is that the fc was forgettable and overall not a good story.

Originally posted by Allankles
What's highly amusing about getting shot by a "kryptonite" bullet? The context supported that event. When the context doesn't support such events then they get embarrassing otherwise... You need to read more.

The fact he used the same character he criticized as the one dealing the fatal blow....it was glorious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds wasn't quick enough to stop batman. I found it amusing that a human can fire a gun and hit him before he can launch the omega sanction.

The fact he used the same character he criticized as the one dealing the fatal blow....it was glorious.

..........The bullet was faster than the Flashes, and fired from a New God weapon.

And if you bothered to read Morrison's interview or have even the slightest bit of insight into Batman's character, you wouldn't be making retarded statements like that. 🙄

Quan, stop with your bs. Darkseid was using a host body which was close to death. He wanted the body destroyed. The gun and bullet were specialized for New Gods.

You've been told countless times about trying to rewrite events or making false observations about events.

Guys, I can't tell people what to think. All I can do is call them on their bs. I suggest that the ignore function be used. If you think someone's trolling, then ignore is the best option. A person can't troll when they're ignored. I don't want to see frivolous reports. Most of us have been here a while and know how certain people will post. If you know they don't agree or you can't get along then don't engage in a debate with them.

Originally posted by Mindset
So your stance is they rebel all the time so Thanos being able to start a rebellion isn't likely?

I disagree

Originally posted by Mindset
I disagree

Sure you can rebel against him but the best case scenario is him crushing your rebellion and maybe resurecting you with the omega effect just so he can toruture you some more.