Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, Reed got screwed with the lamest guy here as his partner.
I dont know...
I never used to like Lex, but since playing DCU Online and being witness to the Brainiac/Future Lex/Future Batman storyline...I now have a newfound respect for Lex Luthor.
Lex Luthor is legit...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But, yeah, all joking and nonsense aside, I really don't see how anyone can legitimately argue Reed being decisively > Doom when their entire history suggests anything but as a whole.And if we're going the whole "Well, Reed without restraints, CIS, morality, etc" aka Reed that doesn't exist, we may as well just use Secret Wars Doom who outwills the most powerful entity in Marvel at the time.
Well, the Reeds of the Council were more or less an example of that exact type of Reed . And it was a Council Reed that temporarily subdued Doom as well in that instance . Although Doom's survival against the Mad Celestials as opposed to his captor Reed's demise can be seen as Hickman evening out the scales a bit .
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I dont know...I never used to like Lex, but since playing DCU Online and being witness to the Brainiac/Future Lex/Future Batman storyline...I now have a newfound respect for Lex Luthor.
Lex Luthor is legit...
Lex is decent as a character.
But in terms of being a "prep god" he's a very distant second or third to Reed/Doom.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I agree that arguments can be made both ways but to say that either one is decisively superior to the other is clearly biased .Well, the Reeds of the Council were more or less an example of that exact type of Reed . And it was a Council Reed that temporarily subdued Doom as well in that instance . Although Doom's survival against the Mad Celestials as opposed to his captor Reed's demise can be seen as Hickman evening out the scales a bit .
Exactly, which is what I've been saying.
Reed has beaten Doom. Doom has beaten Reed. And each one as a rule views the other as an equal, even if they don't like to admit. And both have had their moments where they've claimed "Oh, if I really wanted to, I could have ended you in moments" and then did something to back it up somewhat.
You're going to find more instances of Reed and Doom being viewed as equals or very close peers with the, at best, slight scientific edge to Reed than the idea of Reed being massively superior to Doom.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Exactly, which is what I've been saying.Reed has beaten Doom. Doom has beaten Reed. And each one as a rule views the other as an equal, even if they don't like to admit. And both have had their moments where they've claimed "Oh, if I really wanted to, I could have ended you in moments" and then did something to back it up somewhat.
You're going to find more instances of Reed and Doom being viewed as equals or very close peers with the, at best, slight scientific edge to Reed than the idea of Reed being massively superior to Doom.
Like all other characters both Reed and Doom have had their ups and downs, and once one evens out the scales we get peers rather than one much greater than the other .
Reed VS Doom is like Tiger VS Lion . Tis a debate which can never be truly resolved since both these guys are so evenly matched in the intellectual/prep departments . I concur that to say that one being massively superior to the other reeks of fanboy faith .
And that ladies and gentlemen is the Final Truth .
Originally posted by Mindset
How legit?
Team 1 owns. The magic knowledge of Doom and Constantine combined? With their morals?
I'm going to post this post again from a Thanos vs Constantine thread, because I think it sums up Constantine PERFECTLY.
1.I was refering to what was written by beatboks1.
Just to put some context here. I'm pretty sure i said Thanos hasn't done equal with "prep". By this I meant (but didn't make clear) solely prep.
Lets take a look at the two characters. On the one hand we have Thanos a very powerful being who has beaten high level entities sometimes with the aid of artifacts, and sources of power that increase this power even further. On the other we have Constantine who has defeated or faced beings of roughly equal power to those entities with nothing. No powers no artifacts, no sources of power. Nothing but pure guile, cunning and a gained understanding of the "rules" of the universe. Basically we have a heavy weight who has beaten cosmic and multiversal entities with vast power and sometimes prep, against a guppy normal human with a slight psychic ability and an understanding of magic and the laws of the universe who's done the same.
As others have said "The End" (canon or not i don't really care) isn't a prep feat, as it was more circumstance or random happenstance. It doesn't matter that Thanos could find it, it only came about after the encounter. It wasn't something he outright planned to do (or prepare for) to achieve the outcome.
Remember the question of the thread "Who is the better prep master of the two?", It's actually stated in the OP. When Thanos can do the same with none of his own normal power, no artifact or source of power ( IG, HOTO). That's when you can say he's a better prepper. See that's what I see as the telling difference here. Constantine can operate on similar levels to high level entities with no access to their level of power, and only very rudimentary magic (application of knowledge only) . He defeats or manipulates beings up to 1000's of times more powerful (like Thanos ) than himself with nothing but his wit and cunning. Thanos has used these same traits and very well, but combined with his strength, invulnerability, his "cosmic" energy, psionics, etc etc and the IG and HOTU.Take away all that power would he be able to contend on the same level. Take away Dooms Armor, Tech his ability to travel time to enhance his magical knowledge with forgotten dark arts, would he. How would Batman fare against lesser levels (say planetary) without the resources of his wealth, technology, and support and transport equipment.
That's why i believe Constantine to be a superior prep master to any other in comics. he defeats dimensional, multi-dimensional and omniversal (even if that's questionable by some) beings with nothing but guile. He tricks them into beating themselves basically, which IMHO is a superior level or prepping than obtaining the weapon, or power to do so, or the information to use with a power.
In other words, Constantine is a prep god.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Thank you, I was waiting for this all day.
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Originally posted by MindsetWhen it comes to Doom, analogies like this are unnecessary. Doom owned a lion already:
A tiger owns a lion. mmm
