Yes, I am bumping this, mostly out of boredom =D and it seemed some people gave up (Making people assume Starkiller had won).
Starkiller has shown popping someones head, great.
Sephiroth has shown enough force with his will to do that, and has shown control enough to be able to do that.
A. Holding back HOLY (Which despite what some people say, does have a force as it pushed an 1800+ tonne airship out of its way.) with his will.
B. Controlling Heads, Legs, Tails, Feet, Arms (Read: entire body) of eight different beings with his will.
Does this all boil down to who can pop someones head first?
If so, then it goes to Sephiroth because he has shown faster reflexes =D.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
A. Holding back HOLY (Which despite what some people say, does have a force as it pushed an 1800+ tonne airship out of its way.) with his will.
Just to make sure no one misstake this feat equal or superior anything Starkiller has done: Starkiller brought down a several hundred thousands ton Star Destroyer.
You use the words "to do that" and "be able to". Sephiroth has never done anything of the sort?
No he has not done it, however has shown feats able to compare to it for example:
Controlling and moving 19 seperate feet, is showing a LOT of control. (This is while holding back HOLY).
And applying the same force of 1800+ tonnes = ?
Did he really 'bring it down'? Or even lift to anywhere near it's wieght?
Originally posted by K1ll3r
No he has not done it, however has shown feats able to compare to for example:Controlling and moving 19 seperate feet, is showing a LOT of control. (This is while holding back HOLY).
And applying the same force of 1800+ tonnes = ?
Did he really 'bring it down'? Or even lift to anywhere near it's wieght?
Did he apply pressure to the feet or other areas of control?
Starkiller pulled the ship down from the sky. If Obsidian is right and it weighted several hundred thousand ton, you surely can't think the feat with a ship of 1.800 ton can be compared. It's more than a thousand times lighter. Where does this weight information come from anyway? And what exactly does "pushed" mean?
Oh yeah and he stops a Star Destroyer of the same calibur in its tracks when it slides the ground.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Did he apply pressure to the feet or other areas of control?Starkiller pulled the ship down from the sky. If Obsidian is right and it weighted several hundred thousand ton, you surely can't think the feat with a ship of 1.800 ton can be compared. It's more than a thousand times lighter. Where does this weight information come from anyway? And what exactly does "pushed" mean?
He applied seperate forces on every part of all of their bodies. (Making them seem as if they are flailing about)
My wieght information comes from the description of the highwind:
Unloaded Weight: 1200 Tonnes
Loaded Weight: 2000 Tonnes
(It was loaded, however I can't exactly prove it)
It was then pushed from miles under Gaia to many (thousands of) miles above Gaia in a few seconds (That is more then 1800 tonnes of force but whatever). (It ended up destroying it and hadn't even touched it, forcing Cid to use the 'emergency' button)
--
"Unfortunately for Starkiller, it also damaged a nearly completed Star Destroyer causing it to give in to the planet's gravity. As it careened out of orbit and closed in on Starkiller, Kota told him to use the Force to crash it into the ore cannon. Starkiller succeeded, incredibly surviving the crash and the ensuing destruction. "
I don't think he pulled it down. Someone else can do the math for pushing something that large while it already has velocity etc.
EDIT:
Okay, pulling down the Star Destroyer is an impressive feat! However it did take a LOT of concentration for him to do and by no means was it a quick thought.
The stopping of the other ship is also very impressive.
Obviously a greater one then I can prove that HOLY is, without going into assumptions.
But still, head popping doesn't require that much force.
Originally posted by Csdabest
So Darth Vadar=Galen Malek now? Show me where Galen did it. Vadar has also brought down a giant ass structure. So what stops him from crushing Galens brain?
um no.. Galen Marek =/= Darth Vader
its more like
Galen Marek>Darth Vader
Its in the game and the book. He canonically beat Vader.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
"Unfortunately for Starkiller, it also damaged a nearly completed Star Destroyer causing it to give in to the planet's gravity. As it careened out of orbit and closed in on Starkiller, Kota told him to use the Force to crash it into the ore cannon. Starkiller succeeded, incredibly surviving the crash and the ensuing destruction. "
Where in the hell did you get that info from?
Originally posted by The Valiant
Where in the hell did you get that info from?
Okay, to take away some misunderstanding I have retracted that quotation and statement. Take in it's place the EDIT: part.
I would also like to point out, Starkiller would have to leave less then an arms worth of Sephiroths cells, otherwise he could still fight.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Come to think of it, Jedi has shielded their organs from destructive touches. In theory Galen should be able to do the same. Given how much theory you involve in your Sephiroth argument about crushing an internal organ, I'd say that me using a theory can be justified.
I am not sure using theory is bad? So yeah, If you want.
There isn't that much theory.
"He can affect small things with his will."
"He can stop a force capable of pushing an 1800 tonne airship."
Therefore, he can exert enough force with his will to 'explode' a head (like Galen) and he can affect things smaller than a head with his will.
So we have:
Starkiller could explode Sephiroths head.
Sephiroth could explode Starkillers head.
Sephiroth could regenerate from that.
Starkiller could defend against it.
What now?
Galen Marek would be immune to Sephiroth's relatively pathetic TK, even average Jedi/Sith are able to defend against the TK attacks of another, or else lightsabers would be useless, it would all boil down to who can TK who first.
Sephiroth's feat is nowhere near Galen's. Galen with his TK will keep Sephiroth from moving.
Seriously, a single Force Crush will compress Sephiroth's body and leave a pile of body parts on the floor. Sephiroth has never regenerated from that, to say he can is speculation and stupidiy.
Galen makes a gesture, Sephiroth is in the air, immobile. Galen makes another hand-movement, Sephiroth is an unrecognizable pile of blood and body parts.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Galen Marek would be immune to Sephiroth's relatively pathetic TK, even average Jedi/Sith are able to defend against the TK attacks of another, or else lightsabers would be useless, it would all boil down to who can TK who first.Sephiroth's feat is nowhere near Galen's. Galen with his TK will keep Sephiroth from moving.
Seriously, a single Force Crush will compress Sephiroth's body and leave a pile of body parts on the floor. Sephiroth has never regenerated from that, to say he can is speculation and stupidiy.
Galen makes a gesture, Sephiroth is in the air, immobile. Galen makes another hand-movement, Sephiroth is an unrecognizable pile of blood and body parts.
That feat was done with barely any effort at all on Sephiroths part, I know it doesn't mean anything to this forum, just letting you know. But yeah, nowhere near Galens feat.
Jenova has regenerated from a tentacle. Sephiroth is Jenova. Even while regenerating he could still utilise his Will..
Stopping him from moving wouldn't stop him from utilising his will, say forming a blade in Galens stomach and ripping it up through him.