starkiller vs sephiroth

When has Sephiorth shown the telekinetic strength necessary to pop a brain? And, Galen has the force... meaning he'll know what's up before it actually happens.

So Darth Vadar=Galen Malek now? Show me where Galen did it. Vadar has also brought down a giant ass structure. So what stops him from crushing Galens brain?

Galen is stronger than Vader is. Simple.

I'm just curious because Sephiroth's will would more then be adequate to resist this, unless StarKiller is a Super Elite in this department. The problem always revolves on that Square never showed us Sephiroth's true capabilities, which is where me gauging what Sephiroth "can do" becomes difficult to do so.

I don't believe Starkiller can just use his conscious to "beat" Sephiroth, when Sephiroth utilizes his own will to not die within the LifeStream. This is where Sephiroth has been stated to be the most powerful at...his will or consciousness is absolutely ridiculous. To me, I don't believe it's as easy as some people are making it here, Sephiroth's will is completely underrated here.

Has Starkiller shown a feat of will that magnitudes to Sephiroth? I mean Sephiroth's entire body was dissolved during VII, and he still lived on through his will, and obviously came back not once, but twice, and still lives even beyond post AC.

Again, I don't believe this is a "landslide" for Starkiller.

Which would matter if vs. fights were to the death, which they're not. Your opponent just has to be unable to fight back. If Sephiroth's brain turns into mush inside his head he'll be dead, and even if his will keeps him alive and reincarnates later, much later, as is his style, he'll be incapcitated and unable to fight back until then, which means it's a win for Galen.

Most people underrate Star Wars characters because they don't udnerstand hwo the universe works.

There are no pwoers that are "exclusive" to one or two people unless they themselves are incredibly special liek Nihilius, Sion, and the Exile. Otherwise 90% of force techniques are universal and all it takes to use them is a great command of the force. If character a can jump sixtey feet in the using the force character b can automatically if he's stronger than character a in the force, in fact he could probably do it better. This is possible because all the force requires is focus and belief in your abilities. If you can attain those two and you have an excellent conenction to the force there's really no techniques you can't do.

Thats does not sound true, from what ive read on wookiepedia some are stronger in one technique than another, because they train hard in that technique. For example Sidious has incredible force lightning.

Sideous has incredible force lightning because he's one of the strongest force users in the entire history for the Star Wars universe.

He is THEE strongest dark side force user in the entire Star Wars mythos as of Dark Empire.

He has the strongest lightning because all of his attacks in general are incredibly powerful. With the force storm, which is a technique that he invtented himself... he oblitered a fleet of starships and razed half the surface of a planet...

and he also teleported Luke across the Galaxy with it. 😐

how can you teleport someone with lightning?

The lightning opens up a whole in space-time and warps it... somehow...

I dunno. Science Fiction? 😐

The whole series is fiction although most things in Fiction are at least attempted to explain how it works.

Ah... He's talking about the Hyperspace Wormhole technique... which coincidentally has nothing to do with Force Lightning in the least.

it's called a Force storm, not a lightning storm.

Yepperz.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Which would matter if vs. fights were to the death, which they're not. Your opponent just has to be unable to fight back. If Sephiroth's brain turns into mush inside his head he'll be dead, and even if his will keeps him alive and reincarnates later, much later, as is his style, he'll be incapcitated and unable to fight back until then, which means it's a win for Galen.

I still disagree because by this logic, Galen would still have to beat out Sephiroth by "frying" his brain or turning it into mush. One cannot simply do this with telepathy easily unless the other person's will is just simply weak. You take into consideration that Sephiroth has willed his way back from the dead, and I highly doubt Galen can just go into Seph's brain and pop him. Considering that Sephiroth's will is his absolute most powerful and potent strength.

Also, nobody is underestimating Star Wars characters, however everyone here seems to be underrating Sephiroth...this isn't the only thread I've seen it happen.

Lastly Sephiroth's will is huge, he held back Holy, he manipulated Cloud from the lifestream. It was his will along with the help of the lifestream that his body was reformed in VII. Again, I disagree on the "He just pops his brain into mush"...when Sephiroth being a telepath himself would be more then capable of realizing that Galen would be trying to do so, and we be able to counter it himself.

To me, a man who has manipulated Jenova Cell's...something nobody else can do in the VII world, a person who held back Holy, and who also wielded the contaminated lifestream of AC from the entire planet, who has come back to life twice and still continues to live on, and the notion that he would simply get his brain turned to mush by someone else using their mind, I cannot agree with.

How do you turn from manipulating the lifestream, and doing all these feats that are on a planet scale with your will...and then all of a sudden you cannot defend yourself from another mind attack. That to me, doesn't make a lot of sense, and in my eyes, is a notion underrating Seph.

I don't see the whole "mind blowing" thing working on Seph since his will would negate, or stop it. This would come down to a sword battle without a doubt.

Originally posted by JustFrame
[B]I still disagree because by this logic, Galen would still have to beat out Sephiroth by "frying" his brain or turning it into mush. One cannot simply do this with telepathy easily unless the other person's will is just simply weak.

I don't understand. "Will" is want to do something... and there is no amount of will that can defeat a force that is omniscient and omnipotent.

Is this some strange Final Fantasy mechanic?

Blax, I think he's confusing telepathy with telekinesis. No amount of willpower will stop a tangible force, like it didn't stop Cloud's Omnislash.

Although I agree with him on other points - Sephiroth might be a *** but he's still powerful.

I don't think you understand JustFrame.

We are saying Galen Marek will LITERALLY pop his brain, as in crush it with the Force.

well to say that he could crush his head, you would have to confirm that sephiroth would be weak enough for that to work, and sephiroth is not pooshover, just cuz he could do it to a normal human doesnt mean he could do it to seph cuz seph is not human, only reall problem with this debate is that we have seen a lot of whet galen can do but not to much on what sephiroth can so im not goint to argue either way

He did it to the brain of a 25 foot rancor.

so what, a rancor is tough (not NEARLY as tough as seph) and strong, but im prety sure his brain is about just as soft as any other creature, and sephiroth is a lot stronger than a rancor

By your logic, Sephiroth's brain is as soft as any other creature.

Oh yeah, and Galen Marek pulled a Star Destroyer down. Star Destroyer>>>>>Sephiroth.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
By your logic, Sephiroth's brain is as soft as any other creature.

Oh yeah, and Galen Marek pulled a Star Destroyer down. Star Destroyer>>>>>Sephiroth.

He didn't pull down that star destroyer, it was already falling.

Originally posted by niduin
no by my logic a rancar is just a really big creature, and sephirioth has increadible abuilities passed the realm of physical strength, and also just cuz he can pull down a star destroyer doesnt mean he is stronger than sephiroth, have you ever played ff7? sephiroth is increadibly strong, given most of his strength is undefined so we dont know teh extent of his mental power, but in ac he pulled down the top of the shinra building just by looking at it, not as big as the star destroyer but if I recal galen had to concentrate on the star destroyer (and everything he lifts for that mater) when seph did virtualy nothing to move the shinra building

No.

And AG, it was coming TOWARDS him, he made it fall.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Hahahahahahahahahaha.

No.

And AG, it was coming TOWARDS him, he made it fall.

"Marek's proficiency with Force Grip was such that he was able to, at great personal effort, redirect a free-falling Star Destroyer just enough so that it missed killing him."