Superman vs Kurse with a twist.

Originally posted by Enyalus
You can stop right there. And recognize the word 'help.' And that help came from Hal f*cking Jordan. Shared feats aren't valid evidence. Especially when Superman's telling Hal to give him more power the whole time.

Not just that but he's also using flight to assist in the pushing feat which can't really be quantified as it was a pure lifting feat.

The funniest part was when he said... superman is a billion times stronger then thor... or was it that the mingard serpant only weighed 500-1000 tons... i can't decide

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not just that but he's also using flight to assist in the pushing feat which can't really be quantified as it was a pure lifting feat.

Meh. I don't play that Byrnes era stuff.

Originally posted by Mekrob

Of course, h1 already knows that Thor lifted a snake that was planet sized...

This is probably my fifth time rebutting that feat of Thor's.
So here goes.

The Serpent's body was in ethereal form (intangible). Only the head materialized (the A section) as explained by OHOTMU. The panel even says "ethereal". Also the boat Thor was in was supplying part of the power to pull away. This is like having a tug of war contest against one opponent but you have another pulling on your side. The feat is still impressive since Thor was at least pulling the weight of the head (which was huge).

Now when I said that Thor lifted 500-1000 ton creatures with strain. I'm referring to creatures like Fin Fang Foom and others.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How does this guy continue to post this nonsense and never get warned I'll never know.

because if we warned him, there are about a dozen people we'd have to warn also just to be fair...

Why do you have to be fair?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How does this guy continue to post this nonsense and never get warned I'll never know.

I back up my claims and believe in them.
My claims are also logically valid (as I use sound reasoning).

This is far from trolling. I honestly don't believe that Thor can lift over 100,000 tons. I feel with all my heart, and I guarantee many others do to, that if Thor was shown in comics to lift an aircraft carrier he would be shown to be struggling greatly.

Originally posted by h1a8
I back up my claims and believe in them.

And we believe in you. 👆

Originally posted by Mindset
Why do you have to be fair?

equal opportunities, etc.

I wish I read more of classic Thor. Because I'm positive there must be something in his 550+ issues regarding that.

Originally posted by h1a8
I back up my claims and believe in them.
My claims are also logically valid (as I use sound reasoning).

This is far from trolling. I honestly don't believe that Thor can lift over 100,000 tons. I feel with all my heart, and I guarantee many others do to, that if Thor was shown in comics to lift an aircraft carrier he would be shown to be struggling greatly.

This is comics. People tend to lift things that their average feat-defined strength level normally couldn't. Also, Supes has been shown to have tactile telekenisis to help him lift things (but doesn't particularly help him in a fistfight). And where IS this planet lifting feat scan of yours? You take the time to post computations but do not take the time to post scans so that we may scrutinize the context in w/c the computations are made relevant. Heck, I bet it's Pre-crisis w/c this fight isn't about (it's current Supes since it doesn't say PC).

Also, f you want strength feats, Thor manages to destroy entire cities and mountain ranges from the impact force of his hammer alone when he struck it against a celestial, lifted the Midgard serpent (a snake that can easily wrap itself several times around the planet), dented Captain America's shield (shown to be completely indestructible and can disperse kinetic force applied to it), Beta Ray Bill (a copy of Thor) has been shown to destroy planets while Supes has been shown to use a plot device trick (IMP) then knock himself out just to destroy a small moon (if you want to use feats to determine strength level).

Though I will agree that Supes is definitely stronger than Thor. What he IS NOT is a billion times or even 2 or 3 times stronger than Thor.

Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Given Gladiator's speed and flight and making this a H2H fight, Kurse would easily pound Supes into blue and red pudding.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I wish I read more of classic Thor. Because I'm positive there must be something in his 550+ issues regarding that.

Start reading then.It good to your soul.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
This is comics. People tend to lift things that their average feat-defined strength level normally couldn't. Also, Supes has been shown to have tactile telekenisis to help him lift things (but doesn't particularly help him in a fistfight). And where IS this planet lifting feat scan of yours? You take the time to post computations but do not take the time to post scans so that we may scrutinize the context in w/c the computations are made relevant. Heck, I bet it's Pre-crisis w/c this fight isn't about (it's current Supes since it doesn't say PC).

Also, f you want strength feats, Thor manages to destroy entire cities and mountain ranges from the impact force of his hammer alone when he struck it against a celestial, lifted the Midgard serpent (a snake that can easily wrap itself several times around the planet), dented Captain America's shield (shown to be completely indestructible and can disperse kinetic force applied to it), Beta Ray Bill (a copy of Thor) has been shown to destroy planets while Supes has been shown to use a plot device trick (IMP) then knock himself out just to destroy a small moon (if you want to use feats to determine strength level).

Though I will agree that Supes is definitely stronger than Thor. What he IS NOT is a billion times or even 2 or 3 times stronger than Thor.

Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Given Gladiator's speed and flight and making this a H2H fight, Kurse would easily pound Supes into blue and red pudding.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228228_jla75p414hj/

Superman busted through the Shadow Moon. This is no ordinary moon by any stretch of the imagination. Superman has no problems with ordinary moonbusting. He once busted through one of Saturn's moon with ease when Luthor became president. He also once claimed to be able to split a moon with one punch.

Mjolnir can fly under its own power. It doesn't need to be thrown at the speed of light to fly at the speed of light. Thor can simply flick it out of his hands and it can circle something going faster and faster until it does the desired effect. So Thor hitting something with the hammer necessarily has nothing to do with his strength alone. The hammer can supply extra momentum as well as become amped with mystical energy for greater effect. Now Thor punching a dent in the shield with his fist would be amazing. The hammer is one of the biggest plot devices there is. Any feat with it isn't a true strength feat. Also moving a planet takes much more power than destroying it.

The Serpent's body was in ethereal form (intangible). Only the head materialized (the A section) as explained by OHOTMU. The panel even says "ethereal". Also the boat Thor was supplying part of the power to pull away. This is like having a tug of war contest against one opponent but you have another pulling on your side. The feat is still impressive since Thor was at least pulling the weight of the head (which was huge).

Originally posted by h1a8
This is probably my fifth time rebutting that feat of Thor's.
So here goes.

The Serpent's body was in ethereal form (intangible). Only the head materialized (the A section) as explained by OHOTMU. The panel even says "ethereal". Also the boat Thor was in was supplying part of the power to pull away. This is like having a tug of war contest against one opponent but you have another pulling on your side. The feat is still impressive since Thor was at least pulling the weight of the head (which was huge).

Now when I said that Thor lifted 500-1000 ton creatures with strain. I'm referring to creatures like Fin Fang Foom and others.

Because if the snake was intangible, then he wouldn't have been able to start crushing the Earth in its grasp in the first place. 😐
Actually, when Thor was pulling the head, the body would have went through the Earth, and he wouldn't have had to break its grip.
Apparently the head was crushing the Earth in its grip.

You do realize that ethereal can, and does (in this instance) mean heavenly in this scene... don't you?

I mean, how bad can you twist something?

Fin Fang Foom was the Midgard Serpent when Thor had a brittle bone spell cast on him... good thing you read the comics amirite?

If Superman is a billion times stronger, why in the "canon" crossover were they seemingly near equals?

I don't have that issue of Supes or JLA so I won't argue about the context of the scan. It's iffy to me.

However:

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman busted through the Shadow Moon. This is no ordinary moon by any stretch of the imagination. Superman has no problems with ordinary moonbusting. He once busted through one of Saturn's moon with ease when Luthor became president. He also once claimed to be able to split a moon with one punch. [/B]

The writer of that mentioned that the mass of the moon was about 81 billion tonnes. FYI, our own moon is many many many times more than that. BRB smashed a whole freakin planet WITHOUT using the whole "Infinite Mass Punch" plot device.

Also, when Doomsday and Supes punched each other at the end of their fight, the fight that KOd them both and nearly killed Supes only shattered glass through its impact.

If Supes was a BILLION times stronger than Thor (or BRB) the impact alone would have destroyed the planet don't you think?

Originally posted by h1a8
Mjolnir can fly under its own power. It doesn't need to be thrown at the speed of light to fly at the speed of light. Thor can simply flick it out of his hands and it can circle something going faster and faster until it does the desired effect. So Thor hitting something with the hammer necessarily has nothing to do with his strength alone. The hammer can supply extra momentum as well as become amped with mystical energy for greater effect. Now Thor punching a dent in the shield with his fist would be amazing. The hammer is one of the biggest plot devices there is. Any feat with it isn't a true strength feat. Also moving a planet takes much more power than destroying it. [/B]

WHY I'm arguing physics in a comic world, I do not know. This is retarded, writers never abide by real world physics and arguing about it in a forum is asinine. However, I'll humor you. Ok, you seemed to have forgotten that: "In every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". When Thor struck the the Celestial in the noggin, the force of the impact resonated up and outwards. Do you know your physics? Do you know what that means? (Also, I stick by my original comment that arguing Physics in a comic book world is extremely retarded and I feel stupider just doing it).

Also, so what you're saying is that the feat of Thor smashing things through force of impact alone is unimpressive because the speed of the hammer was used to generate the force necessary to create the impact. Yet, you find Superman's moon busting punch impressive when it was stated ON PANEL that the moon punch itself used the actualy speed of his movement to generate the force necessary.

FYI, the physical law of Mass increasing as speed approaches the speed of light is NEVER (or rarely ever) applied in marvel. It's just the way it is there. Otherwise, the Runner would be exploding Solar systems with his punches.

Sooo, what you're saying is that something that is weightless and without form is supporting its head and crushing the world in it's coil? Right.

Thor's strength is close to that of Superman's. Pls stop it with the "billion times" BS. I feel stupid for humoring you through all this...

Why do I feel like I'm just being trolled...? 🙄

Originally posted by h1a8

[B]The Serpent's body was in ethereal form (intangible). Only the head materialized (the A section) as explained by OHOTMU. The panel even says "ethereal". Also the boat Thor was supplying part of the power to pull away. This is like having a tug of war contest against one opponent but you have another pulling on your side. The feat is still impressive since Thor was at least pulling the weight of the head (which was huge). [/B]

This is entirely false and shows ignorance of the comic. The serpents body was completely solid when thor lifted it. Also thor was not shown getting any visible assitance from the boat and emphasis was placed on his strength and nothing else.

Now to prove the snake wasnt intangible

HEre we see that while the snake is wrapped around earth, Loki and his men are planning to use the its body as a bridge to crossover to earth.

In this next panel we see them actually walking across the snakes body

As seen above its body is entirely solid and certainly not intangible if not this wouldnt be possible

Later on as well, we see Thor smashing the snakes body with his hammer. More clear proof that the snakes body was solid

From the above it is clear that the serpent was solid and was long enough to easily wrap itself around earth multiple times without coming close to exceeding its full length. Then considering that the serpent was much denser than even thor and that thor was actually pulling against not only the immense weight of the serpent but also the immense strength of the serpent as well (which would be in the trillions of tons strengthwise at the very least), It is clear that ur estimation of thor pulling 500-100 tons or whatever is completely ridiculous and off the mark.

Originally posted by Mekrob
I'm expecting proof to back up everything you say...

Because if the snake was intangible, then he wouldn't have been able to start crushing the Earth in its grasp in the first place. 😐
Actually, when Thor was pulling the head, the body would have went through the Earth, and he wouldn't have had to break its grip.
Apparently the head was crushing the Earth in its grip.

You do realize that ethereal can, and does (in this instance) mean heavenly in this scene... don't you?

I mean, how bad can you twist something?

Fin Fang Foom was the Midgard Serpent when Thor had a brittle bone spell cast on him... good thing you read the comics amirite?

Ethereal only has one type of meaning (airy, light, spirit, intangible, etc.). The serpent was magically crushing the Earth. As written from the OHOTMU, In preparation for Loki's and Tyr's invasion of Earth, Jormungand, in ethereal form, constricted the planet with his coils, thereby magically causing widespread storm, earthquakes, floods, and landslides.

Also you forgot that the ship was supplying pulling power. This is like someone pulling with you in a tug of war contest. Great feat nonetheless.

No! I'm wasn't talking about the time Thor fought the Midgard Serpent in disguised as Fin Fang Foom. Thor once fought the true Fin Fang Foom. I seen a scan (I might have read the comic a long time ago) where Thor was lifting a huge creature after he had defeated it. I assumed it was Fin Fang Foom.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I don't have that issue of Supes or JLA so I won't argue about the context of the scan. It's iffy to me.

However:

The writer of that mentioned that the mass of the moon was about 81 billion tonnes. FYI, our own moon is many many many times more than that. BRB smashed a whole freakin planet WITHOUT using the whole "Infinite Mass Punch" plot device.

Also, when Doomsday and Supes punched each other at the end of their fight, the fight that KOd them both and nearly killed Supes only shattered glass through its impact.

If Supes was a BILLION times stronger than Thor (or BRB) the impact alone would have destroyed the planet don't you think?

WHY I'm arguing physics in a comic world, I do not know. This is retarded, writers never abide by real world physics and arguing about it in a forum is asinine. However, I'll humor you. Ok, you seemed to have forgotten that: "In every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". When Thor struck the the Celestial in the noggin, the force of the impact resonated up and outwards. Do you know your physics? Do you know what that means? (Also, I stick by my original comment that arguing Physics in a comic book world is extremely retarded and I feel stupider just doing it).

FYI, the physical law of Mass increasing as speed approaches the speed of light is NEVER (or rarely ever) applied in marvel. It's just the way it is there. Otherwise, the Runner would be exploding Solar systems with his punches.

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]Ethereal only has one type of meaning (airy, light, spirit, intangible, etc.) [/B]

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No! I'm saying that since the hammer is enchanted it can move without Thor's own force. That means it can supply more momentum for Thor. Do you think Thor can do the same amount of damage with his fists? Hell no. Nowhere close. The hammer is a plot device. Also kinetic energy (the energy needed for smashing things) =1/2mv^2
That means that if one can build up enough velocity then they can potentially smash anything (if the striking object can take the stress and strain of course). And even with the smallest acceleration (implies small force too) any speed can be achieved if enough time is given. Thor twirled his hammer a good amount of time before he struck.
I never said anything about this. This is irrelevant to me. [/B][/QUOTE]

Same could be said when supes flies into a planet or moon when throwing a punch.