Superman vs Kurse with a twist.

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]Ethereal only has one type of meaning (airy, light, spirit, intangible, etc.). The serpent was magically crushing the Earth. As written from the OHOTMU, In preparation for Loki's and Tyr's invasion of Earth, Jormungand, in ethereal form, constricted the planet with his coils, thereby magically causing widespread storm, earthquakes, floods, and landslides.

Also you forgot that the ship was supplying pulling power. This is like someone pulling with you in a tug of war contest. Great feat nonetheless.

No! I'm wasn't talking about the time Thor fought the Midgard Serpent in disguised as Fin Fang Foom. Thor once fought the true Fin Fang Foom. I seen a scan (I might have read the comic a long time ago) where Thor was lifting a huge creature after he had defeated it. I assumed it was Fin Fang Foom. [/B]

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]Ethereal only has one type of meaning (airy, light, spirit, intangible, etc.). The serpent was magically crushing the Earth. As written from the OHOTMU, In preparation for Loki's and Tyr's invasion of Earth, Jormungand, in ethereal form, constricted the planet with his coils, thereby magically causing widespread storm, earthquakes, floods, and landslides.

Also you forgot that the ship was supplying pulling power. This is like someone pulling with you in a tug of war contest. Great feat nonetheless.

No! I'm wasn't talking about the time Thor fought the Midgard Serpent in disguised as Fin Fang Foom. Thor once fought the true Fin Fang Foom. I seen a scan (I might have read the comic a long time ago) where Thor was lifting a huge creature after he had defeated it. I assumed it was Fin Fang Foom. [/B]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethereal

And should we assume that a giant snake is light and airy? lol

lulz, you somehow managed to miss that it said he was crushing the Earth with his coils in the same sentence... and how the fudge did you get that he was intangible - minus his head - out of that?
In this, more than likely made up bio entry (but that's irrelevant, since it backs up shit all of what you said)...

Where was it said to have supplied pulling power?
And how is it a great feat when by your logic, he only lifted his head, and an intangible body?

Do you proofread your posts? You just said that he once fought the true FFF, and then in the same paragraph you said that you assumed it was FFF.

nvrmind

Kurse whoops that azz

Originally posted by h1a8
Mass has nothing to do with anything. Lead has more mass than adamantium yet the latter is far more durable than the former.

So, I'm sure you have scans that indicate that the shadow moon is made of far more durable material than a normal moon, right?

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman had no trouble with ordinary moon busting in the past. Why did he in that instance?

Because applying normal physics and consistent physical laws to a comic is dumb? Writers tend to show inconsistent showings of power levels of their characters but are allowed to ignore even the most basic physical law OR past showings of their characters simply to tell a story. If you haven't realized this by now, then you are hopeless.

Originally posted by h1a8
No! I'm saying that since the hammer is enchanted it can move without Thor's own force. That means it can supply more momentum for Thor. Do you think Thor can do the same amount of damage with his fists? Hell no. Nowhere close. The hammer is a plot device. Also kinetic energy (the energy needed for smashing things) =1/2mv^2
That means that if one can build up enough velocity then they can potentially smash anything (if the striking object can take the stress and strain of course). And even with the smallest acceleration (implies small force too) any speed can be achieved if enough time is given. Thor twirled his hammer a good amount of time before he struck.

See. This is what happens when you begin to apply physics to comics. Physics is pointless unless you apply ALL the laws of Physics and simply not select one or two principles and then ignore the rest. Read up a little bit on Newton's third law then come back here.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never said anything about this. This is irrelevant to me.

It should be. Since the IMP is the same plot device used by Supes to create the "smash the moon" feat that has been so impressive to you. Basically, I was stating that since the IMP is not being used by marvel, the "planet smashing" feat was made solely on BRB's power alone.

But again, let me state the obvious fact that you seem to be ignoring:

Applying real world physics in comics is dumb.

Applying real world physics in comics is dumb.

Applying real world physics in comics is dumb.

Got the message, yet?

Originally posted by Mindset
And, you would be wrong. 👆

And I would be right. You would be wrong for the statement.

Originally posted by h1a8
And I would be right. You would be wrong for the statement.

If you actually opened up a dictionary you would see you were wrong.

Being wrong is a perpetual state of being for you, accept it.

Originally posted by Naija boy
False ethereal has more than one type of meaning and further, as my scans have shown, the serpent was solid when crushing earth and certainly not intangible as u would like to believe. Also the boat was not giving thor any assitsance.

Prove to me that ethereal has a different meaning than something that is physically intangible, or very light like air. Then prove to me that the writer wasn't using the word as the same as the above.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove to me that ethereal has a different meaning than something that is physically intangible, or very light like air. Then prove to me that the writer wasn't using the word as the same as the above.

See above on this page the meanings of ethereal. then see above on this page scans proving that the snake was indeed entirely solid.

Originally posted by Mekrob
lol
All you had to do was Google it to make sure you're right... you couldn't do that, but let's see what a two second Google search pulls up:
e⋅the⋅re⋅al
   /ɪˈθɪəriəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [i-theer-ee-uhl] Show IPA
–adjective
1. light, airy, or tenuous: an ethereal world created through the poetic imagination.
2. extremely delicate or refined: ethereal beauty.
[b]3. heavenly or celestial: gone to his ethereal home.
4. of or pertaining to the upper regions of space.
5. Chemistry. pertaining to, containing, or resembling ethyl ether.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethereal

And should we assume that a giant snake is light and airy? lol

lulz, you somehow managed to miss that it said he was crushing the Earth with his coils in the same sentence... and how the fudge did you get that he was intangible - minus his head - out of that?
In this, more than likely made up bio entry (but that's irrelevant, since it backs up shit all of what you said)...

Where was it said to have supplied pulling power?
And how is it a great feat when by your logic, he only lifted his head, and an intangible body?

Do you proofread your posts? You just said that he once fought the true FFF, and then in the same paragraph you said that you assumed it was FFF.

nvrmind [/B]

My dictionary, the American Heritage (one of the most respected ones), says Characterized by lightness and insubstantiality; intangible.

I already explained and quoted from OHOTMU that the Serpent magically was crushing the Earth (not physically).

It is clear that the boat is pulling back as Thor was pulling the serpent. Otherwise how could Thor pull a Serpent the size of the Earth completely off the Earth with just the length of his arms?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
So, I'm sure you have scans that indicate that the shadow moon is made of far more durable material than a normal moon, right?

Because applying normal physics and consistent physical laws to a comic is dumb? Writers tend to show inconsistent showings of power levels of their characters but are allowed to ignore even the most basic physical law OR past showings of their characters simply to tell a story. If you haven't realized this by now, then you are hopeless.

See. This is what happens when you begin to apply physics to comics. Physics is pointless unless you apply ALL the laws of Physics and simply not select one or two principles and then ignore the rest. Read up a little bit on Newton's third law then come back here.

It should be. Since the IMP is the same plot device used by Supes to create the "smash the moon" feat that has been so impressive to you. Basically, I was stating that since the IMP is not being used by marvel, the "planet smashing" feat was made solely on BRB's power alone.

But again, let me state the obvious fact that you seem to be ignoring:

Applying real world physics in comics is dumb.

Applying real world physics in comics is dumb.

Applying real world physics in comics is dumb.

Got the message, yet?

Originally posted by Mindset
You were proven wrong on this page.

If you actually opened up a dictionary you would see you were wrong.

Being wrong is a perpetual state of being for you, accept it.

When I first read the Thor issue I didn't know what ethereal meant. I obviously looked up the word. And I wasn't proven wrong. In every definition of ethereal (root word ether) it implies either something light or something insubstantial.

Originally posted by Naija boy
See above on this page the meanings of ethereal. then see above on this page scans proving that the snake was indeed entirely solid.

Originally posted by h1a8
Those prove that I'm right. Read the scan again and try your best not to lie to yourself. What do you think the writer meant?
Also read OHOTMU, it explains the story in more detail. If don't have it then I can try to find or create a scan for you.

what? Are u freaking joking?. Scans have been shown showing people walking across the body of the snake and thor hitting the body of the snake. And yet u somehow believe it was intangible. what the hell? By ethereal its obvious the writer was referring to the heavenly and exalted nature of the midgard serpent and not its intangibility which has already been directly contradicted by ON PANEL evidence. If thor was lifting only the head of the serpent then why the hell would Hymir the giant consider it such a great strength feat which would be impossible to accomplish? I dont need to read the handbook because I HAVE THE COMIC and what is presented on panel is entirely unambiguous to anyone with eyes.

Originally posted by h1a8
When I first read the Thor issue I didn't know what ethereal meant. I obviously looked up the word. And I wasn't proven wrong. In every definition of ethereal (root word ether) it implies either something light or something insubstantial.

Originally posted by h1a8
Of the most unused definitions:
Heavenly pertains to spirits or spiritual and spirits are immaterial. The upper regions of space are the regions most [B]lightest. Every definition you listed has something to do with light or immaterial.
You forgot the most used definitions though. It means insubstantial, immaterial, intangible, etc. The word was derived from ether (or aether) which means very light or insubstantial.

My dictionary, the American Heritage (one of the most respected ones), says Characterized by lightness and insubstantiality; intangible.

I already explained and quoted from OHOTMU that the Serpent magically was crushing the Earth (not physically).

It is clear that the boat is pulling back as Thor was pulling the serpent. Otherwise how could Thor pull a Serpent the size of the Earth completely off the Earth with just the length of his arms? [/B]

No, I just posted 5 random ones that took two seconds on the Googinator to find... that went directly against you only saying it meant one.
Right, I should probably just listen to you instead of a site dedicated to teaching definitions (as well as me already knowing what it meant...).

You took out a dictionary to help you? 😂

And yet in the same thing book that you only call by the title every handbook out of the hundreds has, that only you have source to, says that his grip was causing everything to occur.
"constricted the planet with his coils"
You posted it. And you can't constrict a planet when you're intangible...

It isn't obvious...
And he had a fishing line... did you read the scans?

Originally posted by Naija boy
This is entirely false and shows ignorance of the comic. The serpents body was completely solid when thor lifted it. Also thor was not shown getting any visible assitance from the boat and emphasis was placed on his strength and nothing else.

Now to prove the snake wasnt intangible

HEre we see that while the snake is wrapped around earth, Loki and his men are planning to use the its body as a bridge to crossover to earth.

In this next panel we see them actually walking across the snakes body

As seen above its body is entirely solid and certainly not intangible if not this wouldnt be possible

Later on as well, we see Thor smashing the snakes body with his hammer. More clear proof that the snakes body was solid

From the above it is clear that the serpent was solid and was long enough to easily wrap itself around earth multiple times without coming close to exceeding its full length. Then considering that the serpent was much denser than even thor and that thor was actually pulling against not only the immense weight of the serpent but also the immense strength of the serpent as well (which would be in the trillions of tons strengthwise at the very least), It is clear that ur estimation of thor pulling 500-100 tons or whatever is completely ridiculous and off the mark.

Why didn't you show the scan where it says that the Serpent is in ethereal form?

The 500-1000 tons came from another comic where Thor defeated a large creature (I think Fin Fang Foom) and he lifted it up with good effort. Now a blue whale is about 100 tons. Judging by the size of this thing I maximize the weight to be 500-1000 tons.

Lastly, you are forgetting that the boat was supplying some pulling power. This alone can rule the entire feat invalid.

Originally posted by h1a8
The OHOTMU says that only the A section had materialized when Thor was battling it. I take A section to mean either the head or the front portion. Now the Serpent can become material to immaterial anytime it wants. Most times it is in its immaterial form. As for the bridge crossing, either they magically crossed the serpent (the Serpent body acted as an immaterial and magical force-like magneto's force field) or the serpent's back end materialized. Either way, the Serpent was still in ethereal form when it was crushing the Earth (Magically).

Why didn't you show the scan where it says that the Serpent is in ethereal form?

The 500-1000 tons came from another comic where Thor defeated a large creature (I think Fin Fang Foom) and he lifted it up with good effort. Now a blue whale is about 100 tons. Judging by the size of this thing I maximize the weight to be 500-1000 tons.

Lastly, you are forgetting that the boat was supplying some pulling power. This alone can rule the entire feat invalid.

Originally posted by h1a8
The OHOTMU says that only the A section had materialized when Thor was battling it. I take A section to mean either the head or the front portion. Now the Serpent can become material to immaterial anytime it wants. Most times it is in its immaterial form. As for the bridge crossing, either they magically crossed the serpent (the Serpent body acted as an immaterial and magical force-like magneto's force field) or the serpent's back end materialized. Either way, the Serpent was still in ethereal form when it was crushing the Earth (Magically).

Why didn't you show the scan where it says that the Serpent is in ethereal form?

The 500-1000 tons came from another comic where Thor defeated a large creature (I think Fin Fang Foom) and he lifted it up with good effort. Now a blue whale is about 100 tons. Judging by the size of this thing I maximize the weight to be 500-1000 tons.

Lastly, you are forgetting that the boat was supplying some pulling power. This alone can rule the entire feat invalid.

Please post this reference u are talking about where it talks about only the head materializing as no such thing was ever mentioned in the comic. As has been shown ethereal has multiple meanings and the meaning u are so obstinately trying to use does not apply in this context.

There was no reason for me to show the scan where it says that the serpent was in ethereal form as its existence was never being debated. All that is being debated is ur assumption of the meaning of ethereal in that context.

Ur estimation of the 500-1000 tons frankly is completely asinine. when thor lifted up Fing fang foom, it was actually the midgard serpent disguised as fing fang foom and so even then it was way more than 500-1000 tons. Moreover that instance is irrelevant anyways as the nature of the feats are not the same.

Again, where are u getting this erroneous belief that hte boat was suppling some pulling power? No such thing was EVER suggested or shown so how did u surmise that? Hamir the giant even places emphasis on thors strength when referring to the feat. The boat provided no assitance at all.

Someone want to tell me how the midgard serpent fight relates to this fight?

Originally posted by Mekrob
lol
What a twist
So, they weren't talking about him as an heavenly form, as an astounding celestial being, but rather, [b]they were talking about a snake the size of a planet, as being light, and airy?
Wait... how does heavenly mean spirits, as opposed to a higher being?[/B]

And yet in the same thing book that you only call by the title every handbook out of the hundreds has, that only you have source to, says that his grip was causing everything to occur.
"constricted the planet with his coils"
You posted it. And you can't constrict a planet when you're intangible...

It isn't obvious...
And he had a fishing line... did you read the scans?