Alex vs. Cole

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
History and science proves you wrong. A lightning strike has as good as never struck anyone at full force, nor will it do so if summoned by Cole. The numbers you have on lightnings and your idea of the power and temperature does not strictly apply to any case, and especially not in this particular battle.

One of the most famous sites of impact of lightning is on a bluff in Colorado. The lightning strikes directly at one person without conduction first (This case being so famous because not only does it almost kill 19 people, but lightning stuck a random spectator and not the man holding a metal item). This person is knocked out cold and his heart stops, but he comes back to life roughly half an hour later when paramedics shock him.

Not Cole or any lightning can atomise/vaporize a human being by striking them (even directly). The greatest misconception of lightning is that everyone believes the intense temperature and force of impact is a fatal thing, but the truth is that people doesn't die from being struck by the lightning. They die because the electricity is overloading the electrical system of our body, mind and organs, frying the system.

The "death" of a lightning strike can be reverted by another shock of lightning, or by forcing particular organs back into function so that the electric system in your body begin functioning again (Such as CPR)

Also, a conductor can prove the impact of lightning more dangerous than less, because holding a metal item creates a prolonged effect that the body might not prove capable of withstanding.

Another famous case of lightning impact is a man on a bike. Lightning strikes him, but the fact that he held a metal fence was how he would suffer permanent and constantly ascending damage to his brain. He died eight years AFTER the lightning struck his head. The cause of death was "struck by lightning", but the death was a result of system shutdown and not lightning impact.

In the beginning of the linked video back there, there's as clear an indication as possible that Cole doesn't suffer damage equal to what he absorbs. The first shock he suffer in the video when he walks away from the site should if real science would be applied knock him out cold. Yet he's going through only minor agony before he continue to walk.

That shows how Cole can suffer damage, but far from the extent he is supposed to (when it comes to electricity)

What Cole is summoning down is not real lightning. It may be lightning, but it's artificial and for several reasons can not be compared to real lightning. His lightning strike is nothing more than artificial lightning that we have no real idea how he can summon, because him doing so is defying the laws of nature (More than merely being a walking anomaly of the laws)

Because science is failing at several points of Cole's lightning, all real facts about lightning can not flawlessly be applied to a debate.

I hate science ermm

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
History and science proves you wrong. A lightning strike has as good as never struck anyone at full force, nor will it do so if summoned by Cole. The numbers you have on lightnings and your idea of the power and temperature does not strictly apply to any case, and especially not in this particular battle.

One of the most famous sites of impact of lightning is on a bluff in Colorado. The lightning strikes directly at one person without conduction first (This case being so famous because not only does it almost kill 19 people, but lightning stuck a random spectator and not the man holding a metal item). This person is knocked out cold and his heart stops, but he comes back to life roughly half an hour later when paramedics shock him.

Not Cole or any lightning can atomise/vaporize a human being by striking them (even directly). The greatest misconception of lightning is that everyone believes the intense temperature and force of impact is a fatal thing, but the truth is that people doesn't die from being struck by the lightning. They die because the electricity is overloading the electrical system of our body, mind and organs, frying the system.

The "death" of a lightning strike can be reverted by another shock of lightning, or by forcing particular organs back into function so that the electric system in your body begin functioning again (Such as CPR)

Also, a conductor can prove the impact of lightning more dangerous than less, because holding a metal item creates a prolonged effect that the body might not prove capable of withstanding.

Another famous case of lightning impact is a man on a bike. Lightning strikes him, but the fact that he held a metal fence was how he would suffer permanent and constantly ascending damage to his brain. He died eight years AFTER the lightning struck his head. The cause of death was "struck by lightning", but the death was a result of system shutdown and not lightning impact.

In the beginning of the linked video back there, there's as clear an indication as possible that Cole doesn't suffer damage equal to what he absorbs. The first shock he suffer in the video when he walks away from the site should if real science would be applied knock him out cold. Yet he's going through only minor agony before he continue to walk.

That shows how Cole can suffer damage, but far from the extent he is supposed to (when it comes to electricity)

What Cole is summoning down is not real lightning. It may be lightning, but it's artificial and for several reasons can not be compared to real lightning. His lightning strike is nothing more than artificial lightning that we have no real idea how he can summon, because him doing so is defying the laws of nature (More than merely being a walking anomaly of the laws)

Because science is failing at several points of Cole's lightning, all real facts about lightning can not flawlessly be applied to a debate.

you have much to learn about conduction, the human BODY is a lightening conductor, that is why even without any metals, people have been struck by lightening and had their clothes/boots vapourised as the lightening passed THROUGH them into the ground, all this was done by lightening that laster for micro-nanoseconds. now compare that to cole having CONTROL over the conduction and direction of lightening and bringing down large strikes which last for many many seconds. and there goes ur entire argument

btw, please stop with the ad hominem digs at my intelligence, {specially when compared to an immature kid}

To be fair, while her argument may have "gone", so did yours. If anything, it showed that you weren't so clear about your thing as you might have appeared to be. Which will go against you, since now it's fairly known that you don't know things as well as it may have seemed. (Or you did, but didn't want people to know more than you wanted them to)

And what you're saying now also speaks in favor of Alex. He's a human as well (but far stronger than one) and if a normal human can last a lightning strike (even if only for a brief period of time), Alex will manage as well.

He's still a human-ish being, and you said yourself that the human body is a lightning conductor.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]To be fair, while her argument may have "gone", so did yours. If anything, it showed that you weren't so clear about your thing as you might have appeared to be. Which will go against you, since now it's fairly known that you don't know things as well as it may have seemed. (Or you did, but didn't want people to know more than you wanted them to)

And what you're saying now also speaks in favor of Alex. He's a human as well (but far stronger than one) and if a normal human can last a lightning strike (even if only for a brief period of time), Alex will manage as well.

He's still a human-ish being, and you said yourself that the human body is a lightning conductor. [/B]

your not GETTING it. cole can CONTROL the path and conduction of lightening as shown by his arc lightening, so the lightening wunt be conducted THROUGH any1. secondly, and MOST imortantly, lightening strikes ARE mostly fatal, and these last only a couple of nano-microseconds. cole's lightening lasts for MULTIPLE SECONDS. NO1 is living through that, conduction or otherwise.

Maybe biomass isn't effected by electricity, regardless of your explanations, Cole's lightning won't kill Alex, maybe inconvenience him, but not put him down. On the other hand, all of Alex's attacks will straight out destroy Cole.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Time slowing when doing it means that it is really fast...

2. Throws a car? Why not an Abrams tank?

3. Like he needs a gun.

4. Alex weighs alot more than you think. Biomass is pretty heavy.

5. Funny, an attack from Alex would kill Cole instantaneously.

1. Fair enough.

2. No difference. Cole can also just electrify these things to the point of explosion.

3. Somebody pointed out that Alex "fires off headshots" so I just put that there.

4. Since when? Alex still gets knocked around quite a bit.

5. There's no proof of that. Cole is not a normal human, so don't even go there.

People seem to ignore the fact that Alex still takes damage. Bullets, rockets, and the like still hurt him, just not nearly as much as they do Cole.

Again, Alex still takes it, but its harder than you all are making it out to be.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you have much to learn about conduction, the human BODY is a lightening conductor, that is why even without any metals, people have been struck by lightening and had their clothes/boots vapourised as the lightening passed THROUGH them into the ground, all this was done by lightening that laster for micro-nanoseconds. now compare that to cole having CONTROL over the conduction and direction of lightening and bringing down large strikes which last for many many seconds. and there goes ur entire argument

btw, please stop with the ad hominem digs at my intelligence, {specially when compared to an immature kid}

You know your stuff. I guess. Maybe. Not in my book.
I'd not consult you if I ever needed someone with some knowledge on the matter.

The human body isn't just a walking conductor, but an entire electricity generator. Our muscles and nerves indeed conduct electricity that pass through our body, and indeed lightning is an awesome force of nature, but you are thinking a little too highly of it.

So clothes and boots are vaporized, you say? Not only have I never heard of this, but it speaks against all the clothed cases out there in the world. If you could refer me to an event or particular case that has had his or her clothes vaporized, you'll satisfy me on that point. Otherwise I'll simply not believe it, because every single case I've heard of (and seen. Yes, I've seen people struck) has had their clothes intact. Burned clothing, yes. Pierced clothing, yes. Clothing intact, yes.
Not that it's a very important point, since clothes take shit from being on a lightbulb too long. They aren't exactly known for their durability to heat.

Now I don't know where you pulled your numbers from, but when someone is struck by lightning, the electricity course through their body for roughly a hundredth of a second (Longer if holding onto something conducting), which is roughly ten thousand times longer than your claimed statement.

Cole doesn't to my knowledge control the conduction of others.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
your not GETTING it. cole can CONTROL the path and conduction of lightening as shown by his arc lightening, so the lightening wunt be conducted THROUGH any1. secondly, and MOST imortantly, lightening strikes ARE mostly fatal, and these last only a couple of nano-microseconds. cole's lightening lasts for MULTIPLE SECONDS. NO1 is living through that, conduction or otherwise.

Funny. Statistics state that in USA alone around 80 people die every year from lightning, and over 200 people get injured every year.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
You know your stuff. I guess. Maybe. Not in my book.
I'd not consult you if I ever needed someone with some knowledge on the matter.

The human body isn't just a walking conductor, but an entire electricity generator. Our muscles and nerves indeed conduct electricity that pass through our body, and indeed lightning is an awesome force of nature, but you are thinking a little too highly of it.

So clothes and boots are vaporized, you say? Not only have I never heard of this, but it speaks against all the clothed cases out there in the world. If you could refer me to an event or particular case that has had his or her clothes vaporized, you'll satisfy me on that point. Otherwise I'll simply not believe it, because every single case I've heard of (and seen. Yes, I've seen people struck) has had their clothes intact. Burned clothing, yes. Pierced clothing, yes. Clothing intact, yes.
Not that it's a very important point, since clothes take shit from being on a lightbulb too long. They aren't exactly known for their durability to heat.

Now I don't know where you pulled your numbers from, but when someone is struck by lightning, the electricity course through their body for roughly a hundredth of a second (Longer if holding onto something conducting), which is roughly ten thousand times longer than your claimed statement.

Cole doesn't to my knowledge control the conduction of others.

is there any point behind the constant digs at my intelligence?have i even talked to u before?

the next two paragraphs are not mutually exclusive of my statement. as for the boots being blown away, it was on the discovery documentary of people getting hit by lightening, specifically one woman who got hit multiple times. and the POINT is not their durability, the POINT is them BURSTING implies that the material was intstantly vapourised, which led to the BURST of rubber.

lightening COARSING through them doesnt have to be the same time frame as that of the time the INCOMING lightening lasts. the body absorbs a TINY bit of it and that is kept going in circling paths through any conductive tissue. POINT, you cant use the argument that the lightenign stays "coarsing" for a few hundreths of a second to say that the ACTUAL lightening lasted for as long or that the actual energu of the strike wasnt in the gigawatt range{which is what ur trying to do}.

cole does, with his ark lightening and lightening handcuff things, as well as his lightenig missile control.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Funny. Statistics state that in USA alone around 80 people die every year from lightning, and over 200 people get injured every year.

not all of them are DIRECT lightening strikes now are they? 😉

Originally posted by leonheartmm
not all of them are DIRECT lightening strikes now are they? 😉

True as that may be, that was not the point. I don't know about you though, but I personally can't think of a single lightning strike case that was not dampened.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
True as that may be, that was not the point. I don't know about you though, but I personally can't think of a single lightning strike case that was not dampened.

so u admit that people cant survive undampened lightening strikes now??????????????????? lol.

and that WAS the point.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so u admit that people cant survive undampened lightening strikes now??????????????????? lol.

and that WAS the point.

I've never disagreed that point, and no, it was not.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice

3. Somebody pointed out that Alex "fires off headshots" so I just put that there.

People seem to ignore the fact that Alex still takes damage. Bullets, rockets, and the like still hurt him, just not nearly as much as they do Cole.

Again, Alex still takes it, but its harder than you all are making it out to be.

SOMEONE? I have a name 🙁

does he really take damage or is that also gameplay? since we seem to include cole's cutscenes, Alex easily bounces back from bullets and rockets like it is nothing.

and we're also talking considering all the people he has consumed.the greatest scientific mind(s) in the world, I'm pretty sure he is smart enough to hose the guy down in water just to torture him. ermm

Originally posted by SpadeKing
SOMEONE? I have a name 🙁

does he really take damage or is that also gameplay? since we seem to include cole's cutscenes, Alex easily bounces back from bullets and rockets like it is nothing.

and we're also talking considering all the people he has consumed.the greatest scientific mind(s) in the world, I'm pretty sure he is smart enough to hose the guy down in water just to torture him. ermm

Cole doesn't really have any cut scenes. The ones he does are basically comic book pages. There are few areas you could count as cut scenes I guess, like the first time he saw Alden.

I haven't seen any Prototype cut scenes where Alex took bullets.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Cole doesn't really have any cut scenes. The ones he does are basically comic book pages. There are few areas you could count as cut scenes I guess, like the first time he saw Alden.

I haven't seen any Prototype cut scenes where Alex took bullets.

when he first got out of that morgue or whatever the blacklight guys stopped him at a wall and gunned him down, he slide down for about 1 second then got back up and absorbed the one guy they left behind when everyone walked off... like he knew it would happen all the sudden...

now i think of this stuff where does activision get these wierd storylines?

That part I remember now. But still, he took damage. And he was even hurt at that point.

Could Cole take a whip that pierces and destroys military grade vehicles and slices people in half with one strike? Etc...

Originally posted by KingD19
Could Cole take a whip that pierces and destroys military grade vehicles and slices people in half with one strike? Etc...

Nothing supports that he can.

Nothing supports that he can't...

That whip doesn't pierce and destroy tanks either, at least not without a lot of hits.

Unless, there's a cut scene of him doing that too?