Originally posted by iceman24567
Seriously? Skyfathers and lower have done that Madame Xanadu, Surfer, Thor, Raven it really isn't that impressive.
Normal human being have brought others back to life! 😄
It is a good feat I guess, but a lot of characters have resurrection abilities. And it doesn't help him here at all.
Originally posted by SupremeMan
So anyway, everybody fights at optimal level so Sentry isn't in "nervous breakdown/ self-doubt" mode during the fight. So Sentry curbstomps Wonder Woman. She doesn't compare to him at his best.
Optimal means that Diana has her FTL reflexes so that Sentry wouldn't get a hit in. It also means that she have her supreme martial art skills. It also means that she has her planetary strength, tiara to slice his neck, aegis shield when braces are crossed (invincible), and lasso (for quick win also).
You do not want Diana to fight optimal.
Originally posted by h1a8
Optimal means that Diana has her FTL reflexes so that Sentry wouldn't get a hit in. It also means that she have her supreme martial art skills. It also means that she has her planetary strength, tiara to slice his neck, aegis shield when braces are crossed (invincible), and lasso (for quick win also).You do not want Diana to fight optimal.
Optimal also means taking a cosmic blast from Terrax and not even blinking and moving at incredible speeds. And that's from reading a grand total of two issues of Sentry. He curbstomps heralds of Galactus that have cosmic power.
And are we really doing that planetary strength argument? As you may or may not know, I'm a big defender of high-end feats but not a defender of one-time feats performed with two other characters and no way to know who was pulling how much. That's not even the issue though. The one-time thing is the issue for me. If she's displayed strength on that level as more than a one-shot, I'll withdraw this retort.
Wonder Woman:
FTL reflexes? yes.
Supreme martial arts skills? Yes and no. I mean I know the writers keep saying that but they don't show her being head and shoulders above everybody else. Superman, even berserk and delusional, hits her with a wild haymaker.
Tiara? Versus a guy that takes herald of Galactus level attacks and is still standing there, basically saying, "That's all you've got?"
Aegis shield others can discuss better than I though I suspect invincible is comic book lingo much the same as omnipotent is.
Off to do a bit of Sentry research and refresh my memory.
Originally posted by SupremeManI found this to be amuzing. Really. Curb stomp heralds of galactus? Lulz terrax. Speedball as pwned terrax a couple of times. Diana with skill has held back and managed to not get killed by a bezerk superman. Tell me how that isn't skill? Isn't her hand eye coordination better than any other top tier'? Yeah she has got skills. Oh and now her tiara can't kill sentry'? It sliced thru superman's chin like a hot knife thru butter. And if u say he is weak to magiv that would be a load since it has also pwned highly powerful magical beings and magic shields.
Optimal also means taking a cosmic blast from Terrax and not even blinking and moving at incredible speeds. And that's from reading a grand total of two issues of Sentry. He curbstomps heralds of Galactus that have cosmic power.And are we really doing that planetary strength argument? As you may or may not know, I'm a big defender of high-end feats but not a defender of one-time feats performed with two other characters and no way to know who was pulling how much. That's not even the issue though. The one-time thing is the issue for me. If she's displayed strength on that level as more than a one-shot, I'll withdraw this retort.
Wonder Woman:
FTL reflexes? yes.
Supreme martial arts skills? Yes and no. I mean I know the writers keep saying that but they don't show her being head and shoulders above everybody else. Superman, even berserk and delusional, hits her with a wild haymaker.
Tiara? Versus a guy that takes herald of Galactus level attacks and is still standing there, basically saying, "That's all you've got?"
Aegis shield others can discuss better than I though I suspect invincible is comic book lingo much the same as omnipotent is.
Off to do a bit of Sentry research and refresh my memory.
Originally posted by fangirl101
I found this to be amuzing. Really. Curb stomp heralds of galactus? Lulz terrax. Speedball as pwned terrax a couple of times. Diana with skill has held back and managed to not get killed by a bezerk superman. Tell me how that isn't skill? Isn't her hand eye coordination better than any other top tier'? Yeah she has got skills. Oh and now her tiara can't kill sentry'? It sliced thru superman's chin like a hot knife thru butter. And if u say he is weak to magiv that would be a load since it has also pwned highly powerful magical beings and magic shields.
Unfortunately, Superman is vulnerable to magic so that's not exactly much proof.
The tiara has decapitated beings like that minor deity she decapped in the early issues. But he had no feats at all to determine his durability. She decapped Medusa but wha did we previously see of her durability to cutting weapons?
Nor did I say "it wasn't skill". I said it isn't way above other top tiers in skill. If her hand-eye coordination is so superior to everybody else's, how does a berserk delusional guy who isn't exactly thinking straight hit her and grab her far more than once?
Originally posted by SupremeMan
Optimal also means taking a cosmic blast from Terrax and not even blinking and moving at incredible speeds. And that's from reading a grand total of two issues of Sentry. He curbstomps heralds of Galactus that have cosmic power.And are we really doing that planetary strength argument? As you may or may not know, I'm a big defender of high-end feats but not a defender of one-time feats performed with two other characters and no way to know who was pulling how much. That's not even the issue though. The one-time thing is the issue for me. If she's displayed strength on that level as more than a one-shot, I'll withdraw this retort.
Wonder Woman:
FTL reflexes? yes.
Supreme martial arts skills? Yes and no. I mean I know the writers keep saying that but they don't show her being head and shoulders above everybody else. Superman, even berserk and delusional, hits her with a wild haymaker.
Tiara? Versus a guy that takes herald of Galactus level attacks and is still standing there, basically saying, "That's all you've got?"
Aegis shield others can discuss better than I though I suspect invincible is comic book lingo much the same as omnipotent is.
Off to do a bit of Sentry research and refresh my memory.
Being durable to energy blasts has nothing to do with one's blunt force durability. Sentry never have shown good blunt force durability. This seems to be his weakness.
Sentry may be able to move fast but he has never shown FTL reflexes. Thus WW easily hits him. And he can't hit her since she has FTL reflexes and we are using the optimal versions. Thus no wild haymakers will be hitting her here.
The lasso and tiara are overkills.
Originally posted by SupremeManI cannot believe you actually retorted the way you did. The piont of the tiara is that it can cut magical beings and superman. So superman being weak to magic has nothing to do with the effect of the tiara. Its the quality of hephestious' work. As for wondy and her skill, u should know better. Wondy was holding back and we have to take into consideration story. What the hell kind of story would it be if she didn't get hit?
Unfortunately, Superman is vulnerable to magic so that's not exactly much proof.The tiara has decapitated beings like that minor deity she decapped in the early issues. But he had no feats at all to determine his durability. She decapped Medusa but wha did we previously see of her durability to cutting weapons?
Nor did I say "it wasn't skill". I said it isn't way above other top tiers in skill. If her hand-eye coordination is so superior to everybody else's, how does a berserk delusional guy who isn't exactly thinking straight hit her and grab her far more than once?
Originally posted by fangirl101
I cannot believe you actually retorted the way you did. The piont of the tiara is that it can cut magical beings and superman. So superman being weak to magic has nothing to do with the effect of the tiara. Its the quality of hephestious' work. As for wondy and her skill, u should know better. Wondy was holding back and we have to take into consideration story. What the hell kind of story would it be if she didn't get hit?
My point on the tiara is simply that the beings we've seen killed by it have not shown tremendous resistance to cutting to begin with and Superman's durability against magic is not what it is against other things. One cannot simply say that he shrugs off other hits but not the tiara therefore the tiara attack is more powerful than other things he has shrugged off.
This is mostly about combat speed and durability though. I was under the impression from what I have seen of Sentry that he can be FTL when he wants to be. We see him zipping all over the world within seconds (flight speed) and then dealing with situations that would require overall thinking and movement speed to deal with. Strength-wise, he doesn't just defeat Terrax. He breaks the axe in his bare hands, an axe that supposedly has cleaved worlds in two. We see him dodge an energy blast from Terrax's axe and the panel looks like it is moving before he sidesteps. Then he stands and takes a blast almost just to show it won't do anything to him.
But again its a small sampling and my opinion was based on what I had seen of Sentry which isn't much. You may very well be right that he doesn't have FTL reflexes. The impression I've gotten from more than one versus board and more than one versus thread is that he is just too durable and strong and fast enough that he would win- and some of those were even fights against Superman. But again, I'll read a few more Sentry comics today to see if the claims people make about his speed seem valid to me.
Originally posted by SupremeManterrax's ax sliced thru a planet in part due to terrax's ability to rend and control earth. It was his basic power when galactus found him. He was amped by the power cosmic. Then he amped himself further. The ax itself isn't adamantium or some just uber weapon like Thor's hammer. As for sentry being too strong or durable, I have not seen that many strength feats of his that put him above say colossus on a good day. He struggled to lift the hellicarrier. Sentry may move at lite speed in travel but limb speed? I hadn't seen it.
My point on the tiara is simply that the beings we've seen killed by it have not shown tremendous resistance to cutting to begin with and Superman's durability against magic is not what it is against other things. One cannot simply say that he shrugs off other hits but not the tiara therefore the tiara attack is more powerful than other things he has shrugged off.This is mostly about combat speed and durability though. I was under the impression from what I have seen of Sentry that he can be FTL when he wants to be. We see him zipping all over the world within seconds (flight speed) and then dealing with situations that would require overall thinking and movement speed to deal with. Strength-wise, he doesn't just defeat Terrax. He breaks the axe in his bare hands, an axe that supposedly has cleaved worlds in two. We see him dodge an energy blast from Terrax's axe and the panel looks like it is moving before he sidesteps. Then he stands and takes a blast almost just to show it won't do anything to him.
But again its a small sampling and my opinion was based on what I had seen of Sentry which isn't much. You may very well be right that he doesn't have FTL reflexes. The impression I've gotten from more than one versus board and more than one versus thread is that he is just too durable and strong and fast enough that he would win- and some of those were even fights against Superman. But again, I'll read a few more Sentry comics today to see if the claims people make about his speed seem valid to me.