Sentry vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by tkitna
Oh ok. I see they've been throwing a lot of the mythical characters her way. Thats cool but Darkseid, Black Mary, Super Woman, Queen Of Fables, and the White Martians are kind of iffy though. You would think a character that been around as long as WW would have a better rogue gallery or a little more sound.

Originally posted by Scuzz2.0
why is it on kmc that if a DC character fails to defeat a powerful villain then that must mean that the villain is unstoppable and super powerful. or when a DC character beats a planet destroying villain that must mean that they are more powerful than the villain and it is considered a high feat! but when a marvel character (sentry) completely shrugs off and embarrass a planet destroying villain(terrax) it means that it is a low showing for the villain! and it wasnt an impressive feat!

people always ask why most of the members on here are marvel biased! but the vast majority are DC fanboys! especially the loads of people that have joined recently! you cant discount a feat from a character just because they are from marvel when you would think the feat was great coming from a dc character!

KMC is definitly not Marvel biased. More times than not its DC people. They usually go about So in so in DC can't do it so and so marvel character definitly can't. So i stop debating with some people because their mind are only limited to DC bench marking and scale of power.

Marvel have their fair of fanboyism but DC fanatics make less sense and have more ridiculous reasoning.

But the ridiculousness is half the fun in reading their posts 😄

Originally posted by fangirl101
qof was just in the wondy book. She was also the one who pwned the league and hated wondy from first sight. She considers ds a great enemy. He did slaughter hundress of amazons. And gail simone is currently boosting wondy's old gallery and creating new ones. Pretty soon she will have the new male wonder guy. She also has herculese who is top tier strength wise.

Male wondy character ? Interesting I wonder how that is gonna work... (pun intended 😛 )

Originally posted by Scuzz2.0
her rogue gallery is kinda crap, but hardly any characters have a great one

Originally posted by tkitna
Come on, your going to have to do better than this. At least try. He stood there and took a punch from Thing without flinching. He stood there and took a shot from a train that the Hulk grabbed and swung at him without flinching. He casually took shots from WWH without defending himself while laughing. He traded punches with Genis that were thrown with enough force to shatter planets (while they were both holding back).

Blunt force my @ss.

Originally posted by tkitna
As for reflex speed, I suppose everybody is waiting for one of those panels that DC uses in every other issue where the Sentry is running around an opponent and the artist draws 25 various fists. Its just rediculious that nobody can use common sense around here and figure it out for themselves that this guy is stupid fast. He plucks bullets out of the air from feet away when shot at point blank at somebodys head, but people than argue that he flew towards the gun. He flew across the world and dismantles a situation before somebody could go to the bathroom. Yeah, he flies fast, but cripes, he had to do something when he got there too. The art of deduction on this board is weak at best.

Another thing to bring up is when Sentry and Wolverine fought. Wolverine is said to be one if not the best H2H fighter in Marvel, but hey, he couldnt even come close to striking Sentry. It was embarrassing on Wolverines part, but yet Batman spars with WW. Let me guess though, WW allows Batman to tag her because its only practice. You people wear me out around here sometimes.

The argument isn't with you but with the guy that want's to use optimal Sentry. But if we also use optimal WW then Sentry never hits her since she has FTL reflexes. And as fast as Sentry has been shown to be he still has never shown FTL reflexes. So at optimal, WW hits him and he doesn't hit her. Checkmate.

Originally posted by fangirl101
thor's gallery sucks. So does surfer's. Superman's is barely ok. Only spiderman and batman have good galleries. The xmen has a great gallery but that is a team. Kyle rayner was shaping to have a good one before dc ****ed him over.

ive went rite off spideys gallery now! to many jokes and goblins! wolverine has a great one! and thors is pretty good.

Originally posted by Scuzz2.0
ive went rite off spideys gallery now! to many jokes and goblins! wolverine has a great one! and thors [B]is pretty good. [/B]

It's amazing how some use their character's high feats against the other character's low feats and think it is a valid argument. Every character in comic history has shown uber moments. So either use uber moments for all or don't. But be fair to both characters.

At uber moments WW trumps Diana. Why?
Because FTL reflexes is God. One is absolutely invincible to any h2h fighter that moves light speed and under.

Also, Terrax destroyed the planet with cosmic energy and not sheer strength. And adding in the fact that Sentry grabbed his hand in initial swing doesn't show much. The axe wasn't indestructible (like adamantium). It is just a solid construct, like SS's board, that can channel cosmic energy. Now the feat is impressive but like Bruce Lee once said, "Boards, don't hit back".

Originally posted by h1a8
When I say weakness I'm saying weakness to uber beings or things.
The Thing is the lowest class 100 there is, very far from uber.
The train incident isn't uber either.
And the WWH incident, his face was a bloody mess. Explain that!

I'll give you Thing although not many charcters shrug off a point blank punch from him while standing there without a movement of any kind.

Your telling me that its nothing that the Hulk picked up a train and swung it like a baseball bat at Sentry and Sentry just stood there with his arms at his waist without even the slighteset flinch? Um, ok.

The point is that the Hulk is stated to be the physically strongest character in Marvel comics and WWH is stated to be the strongest Hulk ever and the Sentry stood there with a smile on his face taking his best shots and you said he has never been shown to withsatnd great brunt force. Hulks face was bleeding too. I suppose that means he cant take brunt force either.

At least you didnt mention the punch trading Bob and Genis did.

Originally posted by h1a8
At uber moments WW trumps Diana.

Say what?

Originally posted by fangirl101
r u kidding me? Thor's gallery sux. The best one is loki. Anyone else is actually too powerful and requires stupid plots. He is very much like wondy with regards to rogues.

no way! most of his gallery are quite bad, ill give you that, but he does have a short list of good rogues, like kurse, ulik, enchantress and maybe a couple more! you could even count the destroyer armor! the more powerful ones like mangog and surtur should still count as good villains

Originally posted by Lord Feron
KMC is definitly not Marvel biased. More times than not its DC people. They usually go about So in so in DC can't do it so and so marvel character definitly can't. So i stop debating with some people because their mind are only limited to DC bench marking and scale of power.

Marvel have their fair of fanboyism but DC fanatics make less sense and have more ridiculous reasoning.

But the ridiculousness is half the fun in reading their posts 😄

But what you are defining as DC fanatics is largely people who think certain DC characters would win far more than lose because they would. Not so sure in this case because I think Sentry at his best might win even on feats and I'm very sure that in terms of the intent of each character, he would win at his most powerful. but I've been on boards where as soon as you put certain DC characters against a Marvel character, someone will post and say, "Oh joy, here comes the infamous DC speed blitz again."

The problem is it is often true, especially if you are dealing with Superman or Wonder Woman or the Martian Manhunter and, on the other side, the likes of the Hulk or the Thing. I'm not saying they aren't fast but DC tends to jack up the levels of their characters to insanity. Thor is kind of an exception. In his early days (see Essential Thor volume one) he had lots of very obvious, spelled out speed feats. Running at blur speed or so fast people didn't see him or caught a flicker. They haven't shown him do things like that for a long time but even so, his speed is highly debated.

Then there's bias from people who are mostly fans of only one of the companies. I also think Marvel somewhat shot themselves in the foot with the Marvel Handbooks. They wanted to sound reasonable by putting limits on their characters like lifting a hundred tons. Sure some of them are said to be able to lift 100+ tons and yet they fight characters that can lift less than 100 tons and its still a decent fight. They tend to put exact speed limits too.

The result is that a lot of people judge by what they see in the comics when they judge DC power levels. But they tend more to default to the handbooks when they think of Marvel power levels. They may not think that's what they are doing but they are. The problem is that most Marvel characters far exceed what it says they can do in the handbooks.

Originally posted by h1a8
The argument isn't with you but with the guy that want's to use optimal Sentry. But if we also use optimal WW then Sentry never hits her since she has FTL reflexes. And as fast as Sentry has been shown to be he still has never shown FTL reflexes. So at optimal, WW hits him and he doesn't hit her. Checkmate.

What are faster than light reflexes? Does the comic writer actaully have to say that the character is working ina faster than light way? I dont want to get back into the whole catching a bullet versus faster than light conversation that happened before because I lost interest and never saw the results, but how fast is it for a person to catch a bullet fired inches away from a mans head while standing feet away? How fast would he have to had been moving to dismantle these bombs apparently at the same time?http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2214/sentrynuke1ge4.jpg

I think this whole FTL reflexes stuff is being blown out of proportion. I think Sentry is plenty fast enough to strike Diana.

I think Sentry outclasses her in raw power by a fair amount. The only thing making this a fight is her clearly superior MA. I'd give it to Sentry 6/10, but with little faith. I could easily see this going to Diana on one of Sentry's many off-days.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
KMC is definitly not Marvel biased. More times than not its DC people. They usually go about So in so in DC can't do it so and so marvel character definitly can't. So i stop debating with some people because their mind are only limited to DC bench marking and scale of power.

Marvel have their fair of fanboyism but DC fanatics make less sense and have more ridiculous reasoning.

But the ridiculousness is half the fun in reading their posts 😄

pr1983

It's pretty funny how this board is so Marvel biased that the few posters who actually stand up to the DC characters or are unbiased, are generally considered to be DC biased.

Most the ones who stick up for DC are DC biased.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's pretty funny how this board is so Marvel biased that the few posters who actually stand up to the DC characters or are unbiased, are generally considered to be DC biased.

there is no way that these boards are more marvel biased than dc biased! the vast majority of fanboys are DC! i can only think of a couple of marvel fanboys but i know of like 20 dc fanboys! especially the people joining recently! its shameless!!

Originally posted by Scuzz2.0
there is no way that these boards are more marvel biased than dc biased! the vast majority of fanboys are DC! i can only think of a couple of marvel fanboys but i know of like 20 dc fanboys! especially the people joining recently! its shameless!!

I have to admit, I am definitely a hardcore DC fanboy. Especially of Superman. God I love him. His big sexy muscles and tight baby blue suit...