She let herself be killed in X3 because if she didn't do it then, Dark Phoenix would become unstoppable, and destroy everything, although, just about every person who died on the island deserved it. And when you're fighting guys with glow sticks that cut through flesh like a hot knife through butter, and can shoot lightning from their finger tips, etc.... And they are using their powers on you, they're not innocent, they're the enemy, who is trying to kill you. Self preservation would say, if I can't stop them, they'll kill me, so I'll stop them. It might be knockout, or death, but either way, you aren't dead.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, it would seem that the part of Phoenix that is under the control of Jean would realize that the Jedi are innocent. Wouldn't she allow herself to be killed rather than harm the Jedi, who are, after all, keepers of the peace?Question.....why did she allow herself to be killled in X3?
Yea if Jean was in control, she would really let someone just kill her and then all her friends and allies be killed. Yup that makes sense. Also, Jean can't tell whether someone is innocent or not, but I guess her telepathy is on par with Xavier at the end of X2.
Please just stop this nonsense... This is a Vs fight on abilities, not on values, morals and what not. Before you proceed any further on this line of thinking, why wouldn't the Jedi and Sith turn on each other on the get go?
Its like a Superman vs Neo topic, but the argument is - hey wait, Superman would convince Neo they are good guys and that they don't shouldn't have to fight. That's the kind of argument you're using, except you're only applying it to the Marvel team.
Also, if you have to ask why she allowed herself to be killed in X3, quite frankly you haven't watched the movie... 😕
But the answer to your question has been answered for you by the guy before me.
Originally posted by KingD19OK, so Dark Phoenix would become ustoppable (I know that was a rhetorical question.) Then what would keep her from having the same mindset in tis fighting scenario? Is she somehow beyond such thoughts now?
She let herself be killed in X3 because if she didn't do it then, Dark Phoenix would become unstoppable, and destroy everything, although, just about every person who died on the island deserved it. And when you're fighting guys with glow sticks that cut through flesh like a hot knife through butter, and can shoot lightning from their finger tips, etc.... And they are using their powers on you, they're not innocent, they're the enemy, who is trying to kill you. Self preservation would say, if I can't stop them, they'll kill me, so I'll stop them. It might be knockout, or death, but either way, you aren't dead.
And you are missing my point about the Jedi. Phoenix/Jean will realize who/what the Jedi are, correct? She will sense the good in them, right?
So shouldn't the jedi sense that Hulk, FF, Silver Surfer, X-Men, Iron Man, Spidey, Daredevil, etc... are good? And then they decide not to fight them?
About Dark Phoenix, I don't know Jean might keep control the whole fight, or she might lose it, I don't know.
And yes, Jean will know the jedi are naturally good, but if they're fighting to the death, she won't say, hey, they're good guys, even though they're trying to kill me, I won't hurt them because they're good.
Originally posted by Rogue JediAnd you are missing my point about the Jedi. Phoenix/Jean will realize who/what the Jedi are, correct? She will sense the good in them, right?
And you've missed our point entirely.
The Jedi will realize who the Marvel Team are correct? They will sense the good in them, right?
Still, Explain why the Jedi aren't killing the Sith and vice versa when the battle begins.
Originally posted by KingD19
You still didn't address our answers and questions....
Originally posted by Placidity
And you've missed our point entirely.The Jedi will realize who the Marvel Team are correct? They will sense the good in them, right?
Still, Explain why the Jedi aren't killing the Sith and vice versa when the battle begins.
I guess it works both ways then.
The Jedi and Sith? Is that a rhetorical question?
Originally posted by KingD19
So shouldn't the jedi sense that Hulk, FF, Silver Surfer, X-Men, Iron Man, Spidey, Daredevil, etc... are good? And then they decide not to fight them?About Dark Phoenix, I don't know Jean might keep control the whole fight, or she might lose it, I don't know.
And yes, Jean will know the jedi are naturally good, but if they're fighting to the death, she won't say, hey, they're good guys, even though they're trying to kill me, I won't hurt them because they're good.
As I said, I guess the whole good or evil thing works both ways.
My point exactly. Would you have her at your side, knowing she could go ape shit and kill you too?
I am just now realizing that this thread was bogus from the get to. I knew it was one sided, but dude, Jedi and Sith fighting alongside each other? Ghost Rider fighting to the death against non evil beings? This fight would never happen, even in the most bizarre of bizarro worlds.
I would have to go with the marvel movie heroes and Villians on this one.
I think it would be a bad ass fight for sure, but I would see team marvel rising to the top.
With Xavier, Phoenix, Doom, Surfer, Hulk, even as the movie version, having all them on the same team means Star Wars is going down in a bad bad way.
Originally posted by UtrigitaSorry, I had to leave for a while. Your argument makes little sense. Dooku was essential to Palpatines plan. Without his leadership at the head of the CIS, they would have accomplished little. The battle on Coruscant had little effect on Dooku or Palpatines ultimate goals. It all comes down to whether one believes Palpatine can "boost" or degrade someones power, and there is evidence to back this spec up.
What on earth does this have to do with: AOTC Yoda struggles with a Crane. CW: Yoda backhands a MTT, and please remember that while Yoda performed the feat with the push of the MTT he was on Coruscant that was under attack and has a much larger population then Geonosia, and yet he has a better feat, that makes no sense what so ever.
Originally posted by RobtardAre you suggesting that Reed deduced this right away? He at least had a few hours to study the footage.
That would be like being vague. What is completely obvious and does smack you right in the face, Xavier's immense mind powers. Which should supersede a maybe, possibly or probably.How is it irrelevant in this battle? Reed (who's a uber genius) studied footage of the surfer and then deduced that something specific might work against him. In a hypothetical battle like this, the SW crew will not (logically) have that chance to study, deduce his weakness and then create a device which can release a 'tachyon pulse', which is what the SW-clowns seem to think "The Force" could just do.
A Force sensitve could theoretically replicate Reeds knowledge through mind reading you know.
No, he was saying that Reed, who is an uber genius, needed time to study Surfer and come up with something that might work against him. In the middle of a fight, a Jedi wouldn't be able to study Surfer. And only the most powerful or Jedi Masters or Sith Lords could do that, and it requires a lot of focus and control, something that's not easy to come by in the middle of a brawl.
And that never happened in the movies, only extended universe people like Revan have done that.[When he learned how to speak the Rakatan language, and taught them basic.]