Jedi and Siths Vs Marvel moviesheroes and villians

I'll limit myself to three SW related posts in this forum a day.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
I'm not. I admit that 616 Dr Doom would probably beat the Empire, so would Reed Richards and maybe even Tony Stark or Batman(they would all have to use ysalamiri or develop and an artificial Force nullifier). Until that point though, we just don't know how powerful the Force is. I mean, it's supposed to permeate EVERYTHING, who's to say it can't do shit against superpowers?

Because this movie vs. forum has a 'seen in the movies' rule for that very reason, or else anyone could just assume shit all day long.

E.G. Who's to say that Xavier can't kill every living thing in the universe with Cerebro via mind-****?

E.G. Or to even get more ridiculous. Who's to say that Nightcrawler's blue skin doesn't make him Force proof?

Originally posted by Placidity
Do you think he has surpassed RJ's level of fanboyism? I'm not sure, but damnit, he's trying.

He is trying, he even invoked the "who's to say" tactic.

^Because Charles' psionic ability is clearly outlined and shown its limitations in the films and the comics. The Force does not necessarily have limits.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
^Because Charles' psionic ability is clearly outlined and shown its limitations in the films and the comics. The Force does not necessarily have limits.

Oh snap. But but, you still can't counter the argument that blue-skinned folks have force resistance - Ha!

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
^Because Charles' psionic ability is clearly outlined and shown its limitations in the films and the comics. The Force does not necessarily have limits.

Wrong, again.

[Using your logic] It's stated in the films that Xavier with Cerebro can affect everyone on the planet; that's 6+ billion living beings, so "who's to say" he couldn't do more?

It's ridiculous, that's why.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
It's ridiculous, that's why.

Using your logic, I agree. So let's stick to the forum rules of 'seen in the movies.'

You can't seperate SW from the books and comics.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
You can't seperate SW from the books and comics.

Wrong, again.

Go with what's seen in ONLY the movies, that easy.

People separate super-heroes from the comics and books with ease.

E.G. Movie Hulk didn't lift a mountain, ergo movie Hulk doesn't have that level of strength.

So if a movie featuring a wizard holds back, he is ranked a mid carder? The Force has to be taken on its own terms and what it is capable of, which is currently indefinite.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
So if a movie featuring a wizard holds back, he is ranked a mid carder? The Force has to be taken on its own terms and what it is capable of, which is currently indefinite.

Only to silly fanboys who can't realized that the Force has limits, or at least what people can do with it, as the Jedi/Sith definitely have their limits and can't just "do anything."

Edit: To answer your question, if some wizard didn't use his magic-powers to destroy a universe, you can debate that the wizard in question could destory the universe with his magic.

You just showed your anti SW bias. You yourself said you've never picked up a book or comic, so how do you know? Where has it been demonstrated that the Force has limits?

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
You just showed your anti SW bias. You yourself said you've never picked up a book or comic, so how do you know? Where has it been demonstrated that the Force has limits?

.

In the ****ing movies, which is what this ****ing "movie vs" forum us about. That way anyone who's seen a movie can debate and they don't have to rely on outside material.

Not anti SW, as I am a SW fan. I am anti-starwars-fanboy-idiocy though.

Then you can't argue in favor of a wizard who holds back than, you are relying on the outside material of pure logic.

What? Would this be you assuming (again) that said wizard is just holding back? E.G. Voldermot can't magic himself into Jesus-God, as that level of magic-power isn't seen in the movies.

Seriously, dude, you've got nothing, so just stick to forum rules, Palpatine can't just do anything because you want him to.

'Seen in the movie's and apply logic accordingly.

The magic in the HP movies and books are about the same, and there isn't a reason to believe that the magic in either is capable of anything on a cosmic level. The Force is a construct poorly defined in the movies. Yoda didn't say the Force was capable of just telekinesis and a few other tricks, he said that it was capable of practically anything. The books show this, and hell, not even they show the full potential of the Force. Maybe a strong enough Sith could wipe the floor with Galactus, there was one who ate planets too.

Back to square one, the SW books and comics don't count here. So your "Force users can do anything" is just nonsense, as Force users in the films do have limits.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Maybe a strong enough Sith could wipe the floor with Galactus, there was one who ate planets too.

Why MAYBE? The force is limitless and can do anything (according to you). Heck by extension, any force user is practically God.

Some are stronger than others. Luke, Palps, Yoda and Vader were all uber powerful, multitudes more so than any other Jedi or Sith in the movies and most of the EU.

OK, you want proof. Riddle me this: How is it that Jedi Knights and Masters went from being able to deflect thousands of blaster bolts at a time(in the movies mind you) and untold amounts of droids and other enemies without breaking a sweat, but then were knocked over by stormtroopers: the ultimate poor shooters?