Originally posted by Dr Will HatchOK, you want proof. Riddle me this: How is it that Jedi Knights and Masters went from being able to deflect thousands of blaster bolts at a time(in the movies mind you) and untold amounts of droids and other enemies without breaking a sweat, but then were knocked over by stormtroopers: the ultimate poor shooters?
Um, Jedi have never deflected thousands of blaster bolts at a time.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Some are stronger than others. Luke, Palps, Yoda and Vader were all uber powerful, multitudes more so than any other Jedi or Sith in the movies and most of the EU.OK, you want proof. Riddle me this: How is it that Jedi Knights and Masters went from being able to deflect thousands of blaster bolts at a time(in the movies mind you) and untold amounts of droids and other enemies without breaking a sweat, but then were knocked over by stormtroopers: the ultimate poor shooters?
Thousands? Not at any moment in the movies did any Jedi deflect "thousands" of blast, they would have been moving at blurring speeds if so.They only deflected the ones that actually would have hit them at any given time. Even then, Jedi did get shot and killed, the pit-fight scene in AOTC is a perfect example of Jedi Force and their limits.
Maybe because Jedi are not all powerful and Force-users definitely have their limits, that makes the most sense. Thanks for killing your own argument, I was tiring of rebutting the same failed points over and over again.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
It might as well have been thousands, they deflected each one. The book describes Obi Wan deflecting thousands.
Are you acting stupid on purpose? Jedi did die from blaster fire and they would have all died had Yoda not come along with the Clone units.
Again, the books don't count, just stop with the idiocy.
They died because Palpatine overwhelmed them with the Dark Side. Palpatine was so overwhelmingly powerful that he, for all intents and purposes, drained the Jedi of their power with his malicious intent. It's a perfectly logical interpretation when you try and delve into the nature of the Force(When was speculation banned?).
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
They died because Palpatine overwhelmed them with the Dark Side. Palpatine was so overwhelmingly powerful that he, for all intents and purposes, drained the Jedi of their power with his malicious intent. It's a perfectly logical interpretation when you try and delve into the nature of the Force(When was speculation banned?).
BAHAHAHAHA.... I wanted to quote specific phrases that were particularly hilarious, but your whole post was an epic joke. 😆
Actually the novels and the movies themselves confirm that, to an extent.
Palpatine had literally put, basically, a cloud in the force that made it hard as **** for a Jedi's precognition and telepathy to work right.
"Hard to see, the future is."
How else do you think he managed to hide his identity from a bunch of mind readers, for over ten freakin' years?
But no, one Jedi can not physically deflect thousands of blaster bolts at one time.
Closest thing to to that is Ganner Rhysode holding off an army of thousands by himself, though that's a special condition as he was fatally dying and wasting away and it was a last burst of force badassery before his bulb went out, and Obi-Wan standing in one spot and deflecting blaster fire from 50+ droids byhimself for half an hour. He was tripping out from the drug fumes though, another special confition. (Also both EU)
And then there's Obi-Wan's fighting off Greivous with his "20 strikes per second".
Never "thousands".
SW fanboys will swear up and down that a Jedi or Sith could force choke The Hulk or even Superman, just because they are using the force... which is apparently "beyond" ANY physical force.
Which is complete and utter BULLSHIT.
WAKE THE **** UP! Jedi's in the movies have LIMITS or Obi-Wan would have force pushed the death-star into a ****ing black hole. Otherwise Obi-wan and F*g-boy would have ****ing wiped the floor with the gay tiger-spider and giant mantis in AOTC. Or Luke would have force choked the Rancor while simutaneously using force hold/push to shove that big bone up the Rancor's ass. The list goes on and on.
Your post is technically true. But your examples are shady.
Superman or the Hulk does not equal a death star in size or weight... thus that example sucks.
And besides, it's all PIS anyway. I could argue that obviously Superman isn't all that because eh should to deal with any situation in seconds seeing as how he's faster than light, but he doesn't.
PIS. You need better examples.
Movie Jedi/Sith, lose to Marvel. True Palpatine was incredibly powerful, but without his lightsaber, he automatically loses to a few people. Storm(immune to lightning), Colossus(Immune), both Hulks, Juggs, Kitty, Iceman, Pyro. Basically I'm saying that because of the limits shown in the both movies, Marvel wins simply because they showed greater power. The largest things moved in the Star Wars movies were an X-Wing, some senate pods, and that thing that Yoda held from falling on Anakin. Magneto flipped trucks, and moved the entire golden gate bridge. He could stop bullets, which meant he could more than likely stop electricity, since it falls into the electromagnetic spectrum, which he has vast control of. Now the choking of Hulk and Superman could happen, but it wouldn't do much for long.
Actually, Storm could solo it, just fly up a few feet, then bring down the lightning.
Originally posted by KingD19
Movie Jedi/Sith, lose to Marvel. True Palpatine was incredibly powerful, but without his lightsaber, he automatically loses to a few people. Storm(immune to lightning), Colossus(Immune), both Hulks, Juggs, Kitty, Iceman, Pyro. Basically I'm saying that because of the limits shown in the both movies, Marvel wins simply because they showed greater power. The largest things moved in the Star Wars movies were an X-Wing, some senate pods, and that thing that Yoda held from falling on Anakin. Magneto flipped trucks, and moved the entire golden gate bridge. He could stop bullets, which meant he could more than likely stop electricity, since it falls into the electromagnetic spectrum, which he has vast control of. Now the choking of Hulk and Superman could happen, but it wouldn't do much for long.Actually, Storm could solo it, just fly up a few feet, then bring down the lightning.
Nar ah. The force can do anything, Palpatine can just will Storm to die instantly. Never been shown, but doesn't mean he can't do it. Well, why didn't he do it in the movies? PIS.
Originally posted by KingD19
Movie Jedi/Sith, lose to Marvel. True Palpatine was incredibly powerful, but without his lightsaber, he automatically loses to a few people. Storm(immune to lightning), Colossus(Immune), both Hulks, Juggs, Kitty, Iceman, Pyro. Basically I'm saying that because of the limits shown in the both movies, Marvel wins simply because they showed greater power. The largest things moved in the Star Wars movies were an X-Wing, some senate pods, and that thing that Yoda held from falling on Anakin. Magneto flipped trucks, and moved the entire golden gate bridge. He could stop bullets, which meant he could more than likely stop electricity, since it falls into the electromagnetic spectrum, which he has vast control of. Now the choking of Hulk and Superman could happen, but it wouldn't do much for long.Actually, Storm could solo it, just fly up a few feet, then bring down the lightning.
Storm has her neck snapped with the force and/or is just chocked to death.
Collosus is chocked to death. He can't survive in space because he needs air. Also, a fully metalic body means he'd make a great conductor...
Hulk only weighs a bout a ton or two max. Eiither Yoda or Sideous can lift him into the air and once he's in the air he has no leverage, meaning all that strength is useless. He is suffocated until he passes out.
Juggs loses same way as Huc.
Kitty has a good shot of surviving a lot of battles. Don't think there's a way to take her out.
Pyro gets blasted with lightning or chocked to death. He's a regular human with only regular human durability and speed.
Iceman same thing, though he'd be tougher to deal with.
Magneto doesn't have control of the EMS in the movies, only the comics, meaning he only controls metal. Besides force lightning is just that, force lightning. It isn't apart of the EMS anyway. Magneto gets chocked to death and/or zapped.
None of the people you listed would do very well against the top tier jedi except for Kitty Pride, and even that's a stretch, as she only has human level speed. Not even peak human.
Despite the overwhelming purposeful bias against starwars in this forum, there are only a few marvel movie characters that can stand up to even movie jedi.
Spiderman(only against jedi not sith), Sue Storm, Johnny Storm, Jean Grey, Professor Xavier, Silver Surfer, Ghost Rider, Black Heart.
Only ones I can think of off the top of the head, I think there's at least two more but I can't remember their names.
Aside from that, the movie incarnations of the remaining marvel characters are, to be frank, "insignificant compared to the power of the force".
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Collosus is chocked to death. He can't survive in space because he needs air. Also, a fully metalic body means he'd make a great conductor...Hulk only weighs a bout a ton or two max. Eiither Yoda or Sideous can lift him into the air and once he's in the air he has no leverage, meaning all that strength is useless. He is suffocated until he passes out.
Juggs loses same way as Huc.
Kitty has a good shot of surviving a lot of battles. Don't think there's a way to take her out.
Whats this about being in space?
It's an example.
A poorly thought out one. For some reason I Was thinking that this thread was the vs. death star one... I'm an idiot.
Basically, in the comics at least even Collosus needs to breathe. There is nothing in the movies that points to the contradictory, so I'm assuming that that holds true for movie Collosus as well.
Originally posted by Final BlaxicanIceman same thing, though he'd be tougher to deal with.
Spiderman(only against jedi not sith), Sue Storm, Johnny Storm, Jean Grey, Professor Xavier, Silver Surfer, Ghost Rider, Black Heart.
Iceman: Kidding? Whatever ice attack Iceman throws at a Jedi will be thrown back at him.
Spidey: Gets pwned, the hard way.
Sue Storm: She's give a Jedi one helluva fight, I agree.
Johnny Storm: Force hold, saber throw, bye bye Johnny.
Silver Surfer: All a Jedi needs to do s knock him off his board and he is done.
Not sure on the rest....
I'm not sure the Jedi can throw his ice back at him. He can put out a lot of ice, and it would amount to multiple tons even in a few seconds.
A sith would pwn spiderman the same way Dooku pwned Obi-Wan. Levitate Spidey into the air while choking him, then fry him with lightning.
Sue can put a TK bubble into the brain and gave you a stroke... I Wouldn't **** with Sue.
If Johnny turned into fire whilst in the hold I'm not sure a saber throw would be very affective. I dunno though. Then again Johnny is still harmed by physical attacks so maybe, but I'm not sure a jedi can hold on to him.
As for Surfer, I don't know if even the force can beat the power cosmic. How did Doom get it in the movie?
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
As for Surfer, I don't know if even the force can beat the power cosmic. How did Doom get it in the movie?
He took his board. Which Reed accomplished by building a device by emitting a specific energy pulse.
Did I mention that Surfer can turn intangible? Yes I did, it just gets chosen to be ignored.