Jedi and Siths Vs Marvel moviesheroes and villians

First off this is a Stupid thread because all that would have to happen is the Jedi/Sith piss of Jean Grey, she turns into Dark Phoenix and destroys the whole lot of them; By herself she can destroy worlds, the Sith needed the Deathstar for that. All that would have to happen is Cyclops get hurt or one of the fellow marvel heroes and the whole Star Wars universe is done for. Oh and don't forget Apocalypse, Doctor Doom or hell even Thanos. Each one of them at any given time whether it be with the cosmic cube or the infinity gauntlet or even by sheer will alone can destroy the Jedi/Sith. Doom is a scientist and would watch the whole fiasco from afar and study his opponent just as Batman would until he was ready to strike, Apocalypse can change his form to any and everything he wishes but much like a virus he must stay in a host body and Thanos is a demi-god created by Galactus who swallows worlds. Then you have Magneto who could crush the lightsabers leaving the Jedi/Sith unarmed oh yeah and mind powers do not work on him because of his protective helmet, Charles Xavier who can control people's minds easily led or not. The list can go on and on.

^ We're talking about movie only dude, so Thanos and the others don't apply.

Yes, you can grab Torch in a Force Hold, but he can throw fireballs and explode.

Sue can make a bubble in your brain, make one around you and crush you, a multitude of things.

About Colossus, there was nothing in the movie that proved they were capable of crushing metal as strong and durable as his. The most prominent showing was when Anakin did a rage empowered Force Scream, that he would most likely not be able to repeat. Also, he can be used as a conductor, but he's not effected, he's not metal on the outside and flesh on the inside, he's fully metal. He won't get electrocuted, the electricity will just flow through him.

Not sure that you could stop his ice beams, and if you turned it back on him, so what, he's Iceman, immune to cold temps. One simple shot to any Sith or Jedi and they are flash frozen. He could even go so far as to break a lightsaber by freezing the hilt.

Spidey might be able to hold out if he gets you in the face with some webbing. Also, he could be used as a long range fighter, if his webs can reach to the top of multi level building from the street, he could hit you with a web from a long way away, and he's strong enough to yank you through the air.

And the only reason Doom got Surfer's power was because he used a gauntlet that resonated at the same frequency as Surfer's board, giving him pseudo control. And yes, Surfer can become intangible, that's how he flew through a building, if he does that, a lightsaber goes right through, and you can't TK something that's intangible.

About Storm, what part of, fly out of their reach and call down lightning. She can fly pretty high, and I haven't seen a choke done from more than a few feet away in the movie.

Ghost Rider can't be put down by physical attacks, he has those monster chains, the shotgun, and the Penance Stare, plus amazing resilience and strength. If he got either Vader or Palpatine or any Sith in the stare, they automatically lose, he has to use other methods on the Jedi.

Not really sure about Blackheart, but that death touch was no joke. Plus the three demons he employed. Mephisto would also be incredibly dangerous to any Force Wielder.

And for every force choke I witnessed, there was no neck snapping, it was simple asphyxiation, choking them until they died, which took a rather long time, and if I feel an invisible hand on my throat, and I know who it's coming from, I'm going to attack them.

Cyclops is added to my list, if he broke the roof of a building, and left a furrow in the ground, and a hole in a lake from his blasts, what do you think they could do to a human?

You choke Hulk, Hulk get's angry, Hulk get's stronger, but holding him and Juggs in the air would work, I'll admit that. Although playing a mind trick on him would most likely backfire since most of the time he's too angry to care, the whole thing is, he's not thinking, he's just fighting whatever is a threat to him.

So, since the Jedi/Sith get to use outside references, should Marvel?

The Silver Surfer annihilates the Force-user team. The Power Cosmic > The Force. The Surfer uses his faster-than-light speed to win the match by himself. Surfer pulls them apart at the molecular level. The Surfer turn's their grey matter into caterpillars. Etc, etc, etc...

Sorry for the sarcasm, but it's getting ridiculous to bring up omnipotence and black holes into a fight like this.

-In actuallity:

I do honestly believe that the Silver Surfer could win this fight pretty much on his own, though. There's nothing to suggest (from the movies at least) that anyone on the Force-users team could remove Norrin from his board, let alone damage him. Between him and the rest of the team, this fight should go handily to Marvel.

As far as the bruisers for Marvel go (Hulk, Thing, Juggs, etc) I imagine that as long as the two powerful telepaths are mentally engaging the "mind trickers," they should be able to wreak some sort of havoc in the combats. IMO, they should work in coordination with the faster, more agile strikers (Daredevil, Spiderman, Nightcrawler, etc) to try to get in a devastating hit.

The most important thing for Marvel is to be working together as a team, which is something I think they excel at. The Jedi/Sith won't be able to engage all the threats at once, especially with the likes of Human Torch, Iron Man, Storm, etc engaging from a distance or in the sky.

I would imagine the casings on the lightsabers are metal? If that's the case, Magneto blasts them all out of their hands at the beginning. I realize that they could simply force grab them back, but a cluster of lightsabers flying out of control, even for a moment, could be catostrophic for a few Jedi/Sith. I don't know much about the core/crystal/we of the lightsabers; would any of them go unstable or something of the sort if the metal casings holding them together were removed? If that worked, that'd be great.

Sandman could harass the hell and disorient a whole crowd of Force Users.

Ghost Rider could essencially slam his bike into whatever combat looked like it was leaning towards the Force-Users just to let his side regroup.

Multiple Man. Think about it.

In X2, adamantium was stated to be unbreakable after it's hardened. This means Wolverine and Lady Deathstrike would more than likely be able to stand in front of lightsaber strikes, obviously useful in a big melee.

All in all, even without the Surfer (who can also seemingly bring people back from the dead, or at least heal them as seen at the end of FF2) I think Marvel has far too much versatility.

I wasn't even thinking about Kurt and the others. Kurt could teleport and with a small knife, take out a whole group of guys in seconds.

Depending on where they fought, Sandman could do the same thing he did in the movie, get bigger and just hurt things.

Magneto could indeed take their lightsabers, and if you're talking about making them overload, I think if he bent the casing so the crystal went out of alignment, it would either shut off or blow up.

Also, Hulk has made sonic booms from his claps, and stomped hard enough to shake the ground.

And you're right about the tanks, Colossus, Juggs, Thing, Hulk. I don't know if they would be affected by sabers, but it doesn't really matter, they can just chuck heavy objects at you with high velocity. And one hit from any of them is usually instant death for a human if they aren't holding back.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Listed from most powerful to least taking in Force mastery and lightsaber skills.

ROTJ Emperor Palpatine
ROTS Yoda
ROTS Mace Windu
ROTJ Darth Vader
ROTS Darth Tyranus
ROTS Anakin Skywalker
ROTS Obi-Wan Kenobi
TPM Darth Maul
TPM Qui-Gon Jinn

Mace Windu beat Palpatine. The only reason Windu got done is because Skywalker/Vader bush whacked him.

And you forget that Obi-Wan actually beat Anakin/Vader.

And if your getting technical, Palpatine had access to a Death Star. Regenerate that Wolverine.

Anyway this entire thread as pointless as Star Trek versus Star Wars. The two fictional universes work on different Physics (or suspension of physics.)

Originally posted by MilitantDog
Mace Windu beat Palpatine. The only reason Windu got done is because Skywalker/Vader bush whacked him.

And you forget that Obi-Wan actually beat Anakin/Vader.

And if your getting technical, Palpatine had access to a Death Star. Regenerate that Wolverine.

Anyway this entire thread as pointless as Star Trek versus Star Wars. The two fictional universes work on different Physics (or suspension of physics.)

Sorry there is no Death Star.

Againstt Phoenix, yes, the jedi/Sith are ****ed, unless they can catch her of guard, rush in with force speed, and behead her.

Against Magneto, once he disarms the Jedi/Sith, whats he gonna do? All a Jedi/Sith needs to do then is force attack him.

Xavier, thats a toughie. Hard to say if a Jedi/Sith can resist his mind controls, prolly not. OR if he can resist theirs.

Force Mind Games only work on weak wills and weak minds, Xaviers is far from weak. Also, he is the most powerful overall telepath in existence, not many can stand up to him if he just bashes his way in.

Magneto takes the saber, turns it on, then turns it against them, imagine what Kreia did in KOTOR II, but a lot more sabers. He could also throw something metal at them. It depends where he is. True, movie Magneto had to be extremely toned down, but he's still incredibly dangerous.

And Phoenix can hover pretty high off of the ground, higher than a Force Jump can reach. Plus one look at your ash.

Originally posted by KingD19
Force Mind Games only work on weak wills and weak minds, Xaviers is far from weak. Also, he is the most powerful overall telepath in existence, not many can stand up to him if he just bashes his way in.

Magneto takes the saber, turns it on, then turns it against them, imagine what Kreia did in KOTOR II, but a lot more sabers. He could also throw something metal at them. It depends where he is. True, movie Magneto had to be extremely toned down, but he's still incredibly dangerous.

And Phoenix can hover pretty high off of the ground, higher than a Force Jump can reach. Plus one look at your ash.

I don't mean use them himself, I mean turn them on, and control them like Kreia did in KOTOR II, remember the final boss battle when she used 3 lightsabers to attack you? She controlled them with tk, they were basically floating and striking at you. He can do the same thing, fly out of reach, take the sabers, turn them on, then make them fight you by their self.

And whats to keep the Jedi from using the force to keep their hold on their sabers? How is Magneto gonna defend against force attacks? He'd be toast against a force user.

How do you use the force to hold onto a lightsaber? In the movies, all they showed was simple push, pull, and hold. If you've got a guy who can move the brooklyn bridge using his powers to pull the saber from your hand, it's gonna go rather quick. Literally zip out of your hand. And like I said, out of their reach. The only force attacks used in the movies were once again, force push, pull, hold, choke, and lightning. Flying in the air rather high as often does, I doubt they can push or pull him from that distance, and the choke hasn't been demonstrated from more than a few feet away. Lightning, I'm not so sure about, but being as far away as he is, it should be a non threat. And when he takes the sabers, you expect them to know he can do it, and be ready to defend against it? Plus, they've lost their sabers to simple kicks, so your logic is flawed.

Originally posted by KingD19
How do you use the force to hold onto a lightsaber? In the movies, all they showed was simple push, pull, and hold. If you've got a guy who can move the brooklyn bridge using his powers to pull the saber from your hand, it's gonna go rather quick. Literally zip out of your hand. And like I said, out of their reach. The only force attacks used in the movies were once again, force push, pull, hold, choke, and lightning. Flying in the air rather high as often does, I doubt they can push or pull him from that distance, and the choke hasn't been demonstrated from more than a few feet away. Lightning, I'm not so sure about, but being as far away as he is, it should be a non threat. And when he takes the sabers, you expect them to know he can do it, and be ready to defend against it? Plus, they've lost their sabers to simple kicks, so your logic is flawed.

What part of, he can fly, doesn't register to you???? And most activator plates are metallic, most of the saber, save for the insulation and the crystals are metallic. Even if he can't activate or deactivate it with his abilities, he could easily launch it at you with enough speed to impale it through your body. And we're both neglecting to mention that in just about every movie scene, save for the underwater part with the Gungans, there's plenty of metal for him to basically own anybody.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They can use the force to turn the saber on and off, Magneto cant. Not all of the saber is metal, you know. And what becomes of Magneto when the Jedi rush in for h2h combat?

H2H when Magneto is high in the air?

Originally posted by KingD19
What part of, he can fly, doesn't register to you???? And most activator plates are metallic, most of the saber, save for the insulation and the crystals are metallic. Even if he can't activate or deactivate it with his abilities, he could easily launch it at you with enough speed to impale it through your body. And we're both neglecting to mention that in just about every movie scene, save for the underwater part with the Gungans, there's plenty of metal for him to basically own anybody.

As I stated, we're going by the movies. In the movies, a Force Choke was never executed from MORE THAN A FEW FEET. Which means, if he's out of the range, the Sith he's fighting it shit out of luck. Also, if you try to choke him, what's to stop him from hurling a metal table at you with enough force to break your skull?

Only Palpatine had the ability to project lightning, and he the longer he used it, the more it messed him up. And from what I saw from the original trilogy, the range of the lightning wasn't that great, and in III, he only used it on Windu, who was a few feet away.

Whoa, now you are putting a distance limit on force choke? Talk about BULLSHIT.

OK, so how high is magneto SEEN flying in the movies?

I assumed that since this was the movies, we were going on what was witnessed in the movies. When did you see a Force Choke in the movie more than five feet away, tell me, please?

And Magneto is shown hovering at least 15 feet off of the ground, maybe higher.

Where the f*ck is this Jedi/Sith "rushing in" or lightning fast speed coming from? Oh yeah, someone's ass. Slightly above average human beings are pretty much their speed limit.