Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
1) Having trouble with the shield helicarrier.
2) Taken out by an amped Ms. Marvel
3) Invaders Namor doing well against him
4) Human Torch hurting/overloading him with flameThose stand out to me the most. It wouldn't have been so bad, but they just came in quick succession with no better showings to balance them out. Made it seem like Marvel just decided he wasn't top tier material...
I wouldnt say that because within comics he is still held in high regard by the other characters and is regarded as the most powerful. I think hes just had some unfortunate low showings in quick succession as you touched upon. But given that he has high showings far in excess of the low ones you have mentioned, we cant say hes not top tier. Hes been shown on panel to be so much better than how he was portrayed in those few instances.
Namor has been showing having a tough time against Wolverine in recent years.
Thanos has been knocked out by Squirrel girl
Rogue for all her super strength and durability has been knocked out by Sabretooth.
Korvac shrugged off what LT called his "ultimate judgement" and LT fled and sealed the universe shut.
It happens to most characters.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The problem GS, is that we've not seen his real potential. So all we have to go on are these feats. Against established powerhouses, he's outclassed.
Well through sheer physical power hes easily outclassed the likes of Terrax.
Hes held his own against a being with the collective power of millions of mutants.
Whilst all others had failed the likes of Colossus, Juggernaut, Hercules etc, he actually put up a good fight against WWHulk. In said fight he also demonstrated that hes not just about strength, but he also possesses city destroying energy capabilities.
He has feats that are right up there with some the best powerhouses. Hes held in high regard by other characters and frequently called the most powerful. I think its just a case of waiting for him to live up to his potential. Either way he has some good feats and like most characters he has low showings. However he has high showings that show us that we can not define him by his poor appearances.
Originally posted by Eel O'BrienHe didn't have that much trouble with the helicarrier. If she was amped how is that a low showing?
1) Having trouble with the shield helicarrier.
2) Taken out by an amped Ms. Marvel
3) Invaders Namor doing well against him
4) Human Torch hurting/overloading him with flameThose stand out to me the most. It wouldn't have been so bad, but they just came in quick succession with no better showings to balance them out. Made it seem like Marvel just decided he wasn't top tier material...
Namor isn't a lightweight by any means.
I didn't read this but didn't he mess with his hea dto defeat him?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestNot true. Terrax wrecks planets and Sentry wrecked him and scared his ass off. He also held his own against WW Hulk who is the definition of a physical powerhouse.
The problem GS, is that we've not seen his real potential. So all we have to go on are these feats. Against established powerhouses, he's outclassed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The reason team 2 wins is because WW can't hang with these guys once they start throwing haymakers.
I disagree. WW is stronger than MM imo. He may be able to amp his strength up to Supe levels but he can't sustain it. Base WW is stronger than base MM and I believe current Wondy writers feel the same way.
Add in the fact that she is faster, is a much, much better fighter, isresistant to TP, knows MM very well and has the bracers to protect her and you have Diana taking a slim majority.
Gladiator can take either person on Team 2 for a solid majority. Also, Diana can use her lasso and bracers to protect him from Team 2's more exotic powers.
Team 1 takes this. Gladiator is the toughest person on the field. No one on team 2 is taking him down physically. WW can at least stalemate either guy on Team 2, which is all she needs to do. Also, WW adds more defense to protect Team 1 from Team 2's more effective, non-physical assaults. That adds to Team 1's already impressive durability.
It won't be easy, but they can do it.
Re: Gladiator and Wonder Woman vs. Sentry and Martian Manhunter
Originally posted by fangirl101
Glads has full confidence.Wondy has used her lasso on her teamate prior to battle to command him to not lose confidence.
How would this fight go?
No Jobbering.
With that stipulation that Gladiator is at full confidence, Gladiator and WW.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Add in the fact that she is faster, is a much, much better fighter, isresistant to TP, knows MM very well and has the bracers to protect her and you have Diana taking a slim majority.
I think you're being too generous. I see Diana taking out J'onn one-on-one at least a solid 7/10 majority.
The rest of your post beyond that point I agree with 100%.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What does smashing a planet have to do with anything? It is impressive I'll give you that but it doesn't prove anything. He was confident against the Hulk when he met him in his own book and that didn't get him anywhere.Collateral damage doesn't deter,mine these fights.
I agree he can shatter planets. but when he has matched up with characters such as Hyperion and such he hasn't beaten any of them easily like in a second or two. He lost to a much weaker Hulk. I know radiation was involved, but Hulk was doing fine before it can into the fight anyways.
If Gladiator has been shown to be capable of shattering planets with a punch or three (pretty much a Silver Age Superman level feat) but then he seems about equal with the Hulk or Hyperion in a fight, I'd say that's right up there with any fight where the characters get their power levels fudged by the writer to make it an interesting fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry at his best can take on WW Hulk, rape Terrax, and shred worlds while holding back against Genis.
Yeah if this is everybody at their absolute best, it comes down to Gladiator versus Sentry and, while I don't know all of Sentry's feats, I know he's supposed to be able to do anything. Yeah I'm sure that's hyperbole but still. As it is with the stipulation that Gladiator has full confidence, I just don't see Team One losing.
Edit: I also find is funny that the OP has to throw in a stipulation to get people to argue the characters at their best and many still won't do it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I wouldnt say that because within comics he is still held in high regard by the other characters and is regarded as the most powerful. I think hes just had some unfortunate low showings in quick succession as you touched upon. But given that he has high showings far in excess of the low ones you have mentioned, we cant say hes not top tier. Hes been shown on panel to be so much better than how he was portrayed in those few instances.Namor has been showing having a tough time against Wolverine in recent years.
Thanos has been knocked out by Squirrel girl
Rogue for all her super strength and durability has been knocked out by Sabretooth.
Korvac shrugged off what LT called his "ultimate judgement" and LT fled and sealed the universe shut.
It happens to most characters.
Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
It wouldn't have been so bad, but they just came in quick succession with no better showings to balance them out. Made it seem like Marvel just decided he wasn't top tier material...