Watchmen

Damnit! Sorry, I'd just been in a debate with some conservative here, and it's kind of brain frying to hear "hilarious pseudointellectual bullshit" 300 times in a row. It's happened to me about a thousand times now... I need to put some sort of alert...

I personally don't have a problem with violence in films: I have a problem with the way it is depicted. For example, take a movie like 300. In that movie, violence is portrayed as excessive, cartoonish, all for the purposes of emphasizing the machoism behind war and killing in general, something I am morally opposed to and do not agree. Kill Bill, which has similar amounts of violence, portrays that violence in a similarly ridiculous manner- but in a manner that is necessary for the film's pulpy, post-modern feel. It doesn't make a statement about violence, it simply uses violence to achieve a certain atmosphere and artistic feel. Another version is the Martin Scorsese type of violence; it's extreme, but it's realistic, brutal, and necessary for his film's artistic inegrity and portrayal of a harsh reality and criminality. Fight Club similarly has messages regarding violence as a method of escapism and invigoration of life in relation to society, and thus realistically depicting brutal violence is necessary for it.

Also, I shamefully admit I haven't watched Godfather (yet!), but I heard it isn't really that violent, with the exception of a few scenes. Is that true?

I am. big grin

No, seriously, there is no point to the NC-17 rating. It is not for a group of individuals to generalize the general intelligence and viewing capacity of everyone under 17. Only the parents, and the kids, can judge what they can handle: it is NOT for the MPAA to decide.

Umm... has it occured to you that not all kids are the same, and that you cannot decide what every single kid is capable of viewing based on their maturity level? Has it occured to you that it is the parents who ultimately know their child's maturity level and his intelligence better than anybody else? Has it occured to you that you are not a parent, and have no responsibility over somebody else's children? I didn't think so. Also, and R rating prevents people from entering the theatres unless they are accompanied by an adult. An NC-17 prevents underaged people from entering the theatre, no matter what.

I think I'll chalk this one up to mental fatigue because.... Your pretty much attacking democracy here. Rules need to be made which work in the majority of case's. Trusting people to make the right choice is paving the way to anarchy. By your logic we should just let kids watch porn becuse some might be mature enought o watch it. Just becuase some under 18's would be fine watching this doesn't mean that most would be.

Originally posted by Kovacs86
I thought this was pretty damn funny...

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2009/03/the_watchmen_li.html

The words "stupid" and "*****" spring to mind.

Oh crap. My friends and I went to lunch today, and on our way out there was this woman who was passing out flyers that said: "Ban the Watchmen!" Then the woman went on to attack my friend verbally for wearing a Watchmen t-shirt, and she brought up the exact same arguments as this lady...

Who let all these crazies out this year?

Wow, The TV Guide Channel just raped a story summary of Watchmen

"A team of minutemen that later reform as the Justice League"

"The Comedian; Who fought in every American war from WW2 to Vietnam using his super-soldier abilities"

Originally posted by Prime#
Wow, The TV Guide Channel just raped a story summary of Watchmen

"A team of minutemen that later reform as the Justice League"

"The Comedian; Who fought in every American war from WW2 to Vietnam using his super-soldier abilities"

Miseducation is funny.

😂

That's the best thing I've read ALL DAY.

Originally posted by Scythe
Oh crap. My friends and I went to lunch today, and on our way out there was this woman who was passing out flyers that said: "Ban the Watchmen!" Then the woman went on to attack my friend verbally for wearing a Watchmen t-shirt, and she brought up the exact same arguments as this lady...

Originally posted by Menetnashté
Life is so difficult being a republican when idiots like that are running around. We used to actually have a decent name, but how can we when idiots like that exist.

I know, then when confronted with a legit counter to whatever she said, she seemed to rape ths shit out of the freedom of speech-card.

Originally posted by Scythe
I know, then when confronted with a legit counter to whatever she said, she seemed to rape ths shit out of the freedom of speech-card.

Which is funny considering how much she seems to detest freedom in the first place.

Originally posted by Kovacs86

But, yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you over NC-17/ 18/ whatever certificates. They're not really enforceable and merely mean people either lie about their age or watch the film online. I can't say many 15 year olds are likely to be traumatised by the vast majority of 18/ NC-17 certificate films, either.

Should come over to Australia if your 15 years old you can watch Watchmen 😛

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which is funny considering how much she seems to detest freedom in the first place.

See, this to me is pure comedy. It's comedy that's hard to reproduce. I luagh quite hard when people accidentally show jackassery.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I think I'll chalk this one up to mental fatigue because.... Your pretty much attacking democracy here.

Here is how I believe a (social) democracy should work: social issues are subjective and up to the point of perspective of the parents and the kids, and the state should have no intervention here. Otherwise, you're beginning a borderline fascistic system.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Rules need to be made which work in the majority of case's. Trusting people to make the right choice is paving the way to anarchy. By your logic we should just let kids watch porn becuse some might be mature enought o watch it. Just becuase some under 18's would be fine watching this doesn't mean that most would be.

Generalizations suck, because there would always be exceptions to the rule. Something that does not harm another individual is up to the moraly of a person, which is subjective, and thus should not be up for the government to decide. What people fail to realize is that under-18's who watch porn are doing a perfectly natural thing. Since most of these people cannot actually have sex, but the increasing hormone levels create a constant desire for it, then porn enables one to have a safe outlet to it- it harms NOBODY. Most under-18's can't watch porn? Name me one teenager you know who doesn't do it. The only reason why porn is perceived as 'immoral' is because of religious and conservative influence. There is no 'right' choice. It is up to the individual to decide.

Nor can a state make generalizations based on nothing. Every individual is different, and there is no real way to evaluate the psyche of every under 18- thus, these subjective and inherently morally-based laws should not be up to the state to decide. See?

Most people aren't gay, too, so anti-gay laws won't harm the majority! This is unfair. The government should always be concerned with the rights of minorities, nor allow what they perceive to be the majority's interest, if that interest is such, to override the rights of the minority.

I agree with that.

I just can't believe so many people are trying to get people to boycott Watchmen when there's so much other shit out there that is actually worth boycotting.

Originally posted by Tommy Jarvis
I agree with that.

I just can't believe so many people are trying to get people to boycott Watchmen when there's so much other shit out there that is actually worth boycotting.

I think it's acceptable when people boycott a film they are morally opposed to and hate, even if I don't agree with their reasons. I don't agree when people pretend their ethical standards of decency are universal and apply to everyone else, and thus attempt to force them on everybody else. Censorship is wrong in almost all cases, IMO, specifically when it is based on subjective standards.

Should come over to Australia if your 15 years old you can watch Watchmen

I can watch Watchmen if I like too. I think there are laws and regulations here, but nobody enforces them. I can also download it.

Why is my name on the second post you quoted? I never posted that.

Anyway, I'm all for freedom of opinion and voicing your opinion, but I think it's a waste of time to boycott a superhero film because it changes history, which is something hundreds of movies have done, and virtually no one has cared.

It's not.

And I thought people who boycotted the film boycott it because of its violence, no? Hell, do they not understand the words 'Alternative History'?

People (especially conservatives) are morons.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Also, I shamefully admit I haven't watched Godfather (yet!), but I heard it isn't really that violent, with the exception of a few scenes. Is that true?

I was just using an example of a very great 18 certificate/ R rated/ whatever film. I'd say there are only 2 quite strongly violent scenes, and those two are spectacularly famous, too.

Are you referring to some of the assassination scenes? 'Cuz even I had heard of them.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Should come over to Australia if your 15 years old you can watch Watchmen 😛

Yeah, it's the same in Norway.

If you're 12 you can go with someone who's 18