MK vs DC compared to Street Fighter 4 · Computer / Video Games Discussion

Mr.Biscuits Senior Member

It's gonna be around for a very long time. An online update is already on it's way with tournament mode, bigger player lobbies and with a replay feature.

They've even hinted at a SF4.2 where if the Demand was high enough they would add T.Hawk and Dee Jay. They already have the 3-d models for them both.

Scythe The Goat

Yeah. Sucks to be me, my internet options for console gaming are none existant. FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU-

Mr.Biscuits Senior Member

Download the actual update from the net and then use a flash drive to put it on your system.

Scythe The Goat

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Download the actual update from the net and then use a flash drive to put it on your system.

How do I do that? I'm technologically retarded.

Mr.Biscuits Senior Member

The update would appear somewhere online when it comes out.
Torrent or whatever, maybe even the ps3/360 sites.
You download it onto a flash drive, plug it in to your system.
Do the system update and it'll ask you from the net or a portable memory device. You'll choose the portable memory device of course, and that's basically it.

People do this with game save files.

Scythe The Goat

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
The update would appear somewhere online when it comes out.
Torrent or whatever, maybe even the ps3/360 sites.
You download it onto a flash drive, plug it in to your system.
Do the system update and it'll ask you from the net or a portable memory device. You'll choose the portable memory device of course, and that's basically it.
People do this with game save files.

That is awesome, thanks for the info.

I am who I am Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
The update would appear somewhere online when it comes out.
Torrent or whatever, maybe even the ps3/360 sites.
You download it onto a flash drive, plug it in to your system.
Do the system update and it'll ask you from the net or a portable memory device. You'll choose the portable memory device of course, and that's basically it.
People do this with game save files.

That's nice! VERY informative. I'm gonna try that when the time is right. My free Live subscription expired last week.

Can you do that wit PS2's as well?

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by I am who I am
I DO NOT mean that cuz Gill is the boss that's why he is illegal. Simply put. You used Gill as an excuse as to why 3rd Strike is unbalanced. I said Gill doesn't count, that's not a valid excuse. You can not pick him at the arcade, at tourneys, or on Live. I simply said that he was like most other bosses from most other fightin' games. He is super powered purposely thus you can't even pick him even if you wanted to. That's all I'm sayin'. I hope you can wrap your head around that.

I understand your point quite well. Unfortunately, it is not relevant...which is why I suggested we drop it. Your pursuing this was ignoratio elenchi as of your second reply to me. Leave it.

Originally posted by I am who I am
Yes Ken is better than Sean but not as horribly as you make it sound. It's not Servebot VS Cable in MVC2. That is my point. That's all I'm sayin'.

I never compared it to any characters other than Heart and Saki. I simply stated that Ken is superior to Sean. You saw hyperbole I did not make.

Originally posted by I am who I am
To be honest I don't care if you think AH is better than SF. I don't and we all have our opinions. I'm not gonna go on about AH cuz just knowin' about that game as a young man makes me sound like a weirdo. But that's just ME.

I agree, we can not truly determine which is better. I posted that hopefully to make you realize how rediculous arguing about that would be. You apparently realize this, so we can drop this too.

Originally posted by I am who I am
So what that AH is more balanced than SFIII cuz they made the game more times. It takes more than EXTREME balance to make a good game. Sean and Ken aint the BEST match up but it aint a stomp for anybody if they are at similar skill levels. Do you get me?
OMG, we know Ken and the gang are a cut above the rest, but not enough to call the game "Unbalanced". Er game has a tier list. You make it sound like, if a game has a tier list then it's unbalanced. You can't have complete balance and a tier list at the same time. SFIII is not the most balanced fighter ever, but it's not so unbalanced that it's worth mentioning like you did. If it were it wouldn't be so big er EVO tourney, Even after 10yrs.[/

I have maintained that a skilled player can win in the game regardless. Still, I showed how a select few are disproportionately represented at the highest levels. Yes, it can be quite popular in spite of that. Look at Marvel vs Capcom 2 for an even more extreme example of a popular yet unbalanced game.

Originally posted by I am who I am
As for the rest of that shit you posted, which I don't get what your tryin' to show me (you say somthin like a word document). I NEVER SAID those 3 were not at the top. The best players in the world are pickin' the highest tiered characters o'course. But you are makin' it sound like they are the ONLY ONES ALL THE TIME. Other good players use other characters. Some of those guys have won more than once and I have been a member at Shoryuken.com (i already know ALL results for ALL tourneys so there is nothin you can show me about my favorite fightin' game that I don't already know) for along time and many of us say it still hearkens back to peeps seein' the best fighter win wit certain characters and then others pick'em cuz they think they are the best.

Again, I point out that you are putting words in my mouth comrade. I never said they are the only characters who ever win tournaments. You said that only "noobs" use the 3rd Strike Trio. I merely demonstrated that they factually dominate at the highest levels of play. We appear to be in agreement here now.

Originally posted by I am who I am
All and all no game is perfectly balanced but you are puttin' 3rd Strike in a MVC2 category. And I'm tellin' you that it aint that bad. I hope this clears things up.

It does clear it up. We are actually in agreement about everything else. This was the main problem. I never likened 3rd Strike to Marvel vs Capcom 2. That would be rediculous. I only claimed that it is still unbalanced. I just wonder why you refuse to use the word "unbalanced" when you acknowledge the dominance of those characters.

It does not mean the game is bad. It does not mean it's unplayable. It just means it has some balance issues. Many games do.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Seth, Gouken and Gouki do not deserve a ban. The only one who might be debatable is Gouken, and that remains to be seen.
Gouki&Seth have the severe stamina deficit to make up for their extreme power. Not to mention the SGS is harder to use in this game, and Seth's Tanden Storm doens't actually do that much damage in comparison to other ultras.
I also strongly believe Seth's shoryuken does not have fireball immunity.

Oh, I agree with you completely. I think the problem is that not all organizers play the games themselves. This is understandable as throwing large events is quite a task. Unfortunately, these organizers may not know what the tournament standard is for some of the games and must rely on the players to provide that information. This leads to situations like I mentioned earlier.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Also that Arcana being better than SF comment was pretty hilarious.
I live in NY where we have/had the biggest Arcana scene. I saw a lot of high level play and even the players didn't enjoy it much.

Hilarious because it's true? No but seriously, there is no way to determine that much to my dismay. I posted up above my purpose for that comment.

I am who I am Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Well, I'm tired of arguin' wit you. All I was sayin was SFIII is not THAT unbalanced, but whatever. Think what you want, man.

Mr.Biscuits Senior Member

Most if not all fighting game tournaments are run by actual players, or players who've played competitively at some point in their lives.

Arcana is a pretty meh game over all. Arcana 2 came out and we were the only arcade in the U.S to have it for a while. The players were getting into it at first.
Then people were like "**** this game" after a friend of mine was winning tournaments with 1 move.
Of course there's still die hard players but most if not all play other games, cause the competition is no where to be found.

Originally posted by I am who I am
Well, I'm tired of arguin' wit you. All I was sayin was SFIII is not THAT unbalanced, but whatever. Think what you want, man.

No, it's pretty clear that the game is really unbalanced. Yun and Chun dominate the entire cast. Ken has fallen off in these past few years.
Did you know that Chun beats several characters 8-2 maybe even 9-1? That's pretty ridiculous.
Top 8 at last years evo had 6 Chuns...

I am who I am Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
It's psychological and U got far with it. Every body thinx that people who choose Ken R "auto" scrubs. And u play like it 2........4 the 1st round. U get them set N2 a habbit that is hard 2 break, then U sho yur real skill and fight hard and fast so that they can't get used 2 the real U N the 3 rounds left. I new sumthing was up win you didn't block or u sat back and bloked everything, U didn't dash, focus, or cancel. Then U jumped N most of the time with fierce punches. Sum how U dragged the matches out, tho. That strategy shows your weak win it comes 2 the game itself. Which is Y U only won 4 matches. More than what I thought U wood.

😆 *That's why I never play the same guy twice.*

AND I'M NOT WEAK, I'LL KICK ANYBODIES ASS, I AM THE BEST!!!

I got that DS Graphic File the other day too. Really nice.

I am who I am Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits

No, it's pretty clear that the game is really unbalanced. Yun and Chun dominate the entire cast. Ken has fallen off in these past few years.
Did you know that Chun beats several characters 8-2 maybe even 9-1? That's pretty ridiculous.
Top 8 at last years evo had 6 Chuns...

I know 'bout the whole chun Li deal but that's just cuz er body who was good picked Chun Li, that's all and Chun Li does have an edge over er body else.

The game is unbalanced, but peeps makin' the game seem broken/really unbalanced like the top 3 are impossible to beat. That aint true. The game is playable and winnable wit anybody if you got the skill. The game wouldn't be at EVO if there were 3 characters that could not be beaten. That much I know.

But I aint finna argue again about this. Opinion is opinion. Alls I know is I like SFIII and I'm gonna keep kickin' ass wit Sean, Alex, and sometimes Ken.

Mr.Biscuits Senior Member

In high level play you wont be winning shit with Sean or Alex, that's a fact. Skill can only take you so far. Especially when playing someone with equal or greater skill who just happens to play Chun.
In Japan other characters are viable in high level play, because they play a different format than the U.S and other countries.
In the U.S we play 2/3 double elimination.
In Japan it's just 1 game single elimination, so characters like Akuma, Dudley, Makoto, Yang and Urien have a chance.
In a 2/3 format those characters just have too much of an uphill battle to beat Chun or Yun in a set.

I'm not arguing at all and it's not opinion.
It's a fact, and it's been fact for years now.

In low level play you can win with any character, all games are like that.

I am who I am Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
In high level play you wont be winning shit with Sean or Alex, that's a fact.

In order for that to be fact, you have to prove it.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Skill can only take you so far. Especially when playing someone with equal or greater skill who just happens to play Chun.

It's not about what the characters can do, man. It's about what you can do with the characters. No one can play perfect, not even "high level" geeks and dorks. True Chun Li has more options to win, but her opponents are not optionless. If it was like that, then SFIII would not be at EVO every year and Chun Li and the others would be banned. They have banned regular characters before like CVS 2 and SFCE Sagat. Obviously Chun Li and the others are not RIDICULOUSLY better. The are better by a noticeable margin but not THAT much

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
In Japan other characters are viable in high level play, because they play a different format than the U.S and other countries.
In the U.S we play 2/3 double elimination.
In Japan it's just 1 game single elimination, so characters like Akuma, Dudley, Makoto, Yang and Urien have a chance.
In a 2/3 format those characters just have too much of an uphill battle to beat Chun or Yun in a set.

I KNOW THIS. But I am saying that THEY ARE NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO BE BANNED, THEY ARE BEATABLE.

Everyone who is best find that Chun Li, Ken, and Yun best fit their style. Are you sayin' that if the top players don't pick those 3, they will lose? If that's the case why doesn't everyone in "high level" play pick'em. Why are they not banned. Super Bison in SFA3 is banned, Shin Akuma is banned. SFEC Sagat is banned.

There is at least 1 character from er SF series banned. They just said "Oh, these 3 in 3rd Strike are so horrible but we're not gonna make them illegal, simply cuz we don't want to."

Listen to your self.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
I'm not arguing at all and it's not opinion.
It's a fact, and it's been fact for years now.
In low level play you can win with any character, all games are like that.

Well, "I would rather not talk about this any more".

And it is opinion. Cuz you and that other guy are THEE 1st people I heard say that SFIII is broken or REALLY unbalanced. Just cuz your not good at the game doesn't make it unbalanced. I can show you more ACTUAL players, websites, and official Capcom statements that say SFIII is 1 of the best fighters of ALL TIME. I heard peeps complain about parryin' but never about Ken, Chun Li, and Yun.

I can literally show you 10x more peeps who say SFIII is okay, then you can show me peep sayin' it's broken or so terribly unbalanced. If you want me to, let me know. Are they right...no. Are you? Hell no. It's all opinion. I have been playin SFIII for 8yrs so you can't change my mind. So lets just drop it.

Zack Fair Fanboy

"Really" unbalanced?

Its either balanced or not.

So which is it?

I am who I am Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Originally posted by Zack Fair
"Really" unbalanced?
Its either balanced or not.
So which is it?

Well, what's your def of balanced?

I think it's when ALL the characters are equal.

SFIII aint balanced...Ken and the others are better...

But these dudes think Ken and the gang are Gill and erbody else is Dan.

Scythe The Goat

I haven't had much time with MK cs DC, is it balanced?

Zack Fair Fanboy

Dan > Gill

SF fact.

/thread.

I am who I am Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

I should make that thread.

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Most if not all fighting game tournaments are run by actual players, or players who've played competitively at some point in their lives.
Arcana is a pretty meh game over all. Arcana 2 came out and we were the only arcade in the U.S to have it for a while. The players were getting into it at first.
Then people were like "**** this game" after a friend of mine was winning tournaments with 1 move.
Of course there's still die hard players but most if not all play other games, cause the competition is no where to be found.
No, it's pretty clear that the game is really unbalanced. Yun and Chun dominate the entire cast. Ken has fallen off in these past few years.
Did you know that Chun beats several characters 8-2 maybe even 9-1? That's pretty ridiculous.
Top 8 at last years evo had 6 Chuns...

It's definitely not all as I know at least one that does not. That's what leads to misunderstandings like the one where Seth, Akuma, and Gouken get banned. I'd reckon most do though, so I agree with you there.

I already know of its status at arcades. Unfortunately, this does not change anything. We can not truly gauge quality without some objective criteria on which everyone agrees. Even then, it'd be a stretch.

Agreed.

Originally posted by I am who I am
And it is opinion. Cuz you and that other guy are THEE 1st people I heard say that SFIII is broken or REALLY unbalanced.

This is the problem that prevents a mutual understanding between us my friend. One, we are far from the first people to say it is unbalanced. In fact, 3rd Strike players readily admit that the game is unbalanced.
Secondly, you are exaggerating the extent to which I demonstrated 3rd Strike's unbalanced gameplay. Again, I said it was unbalanced. I did NOT say that Ken, Chun Li, and Yun are invincible like you claim.

Originally posted by I am who I am
But these dudes think Ken and the gang are Gill and erbody else is Dan.

Again, I never said that. I just said that the 3rd Strike Tribunal generally dominate at high levels. I did not say the game is unplayable.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Dan > Gill
SF fact.
/thread.

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