Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Hmm an omniscient Watcher couldn't see himself getting punched by Rulk?I claim Uatu's mind is suspect.
An omniscient LT couldn't see himself getting owned by Thanos, Protege, and didn't know if he could take Warlock? I claim omniscience itself is suspect!!
And Loeb's PIS explains all. 😄
This list concers pre-retcon/deceased/depowered and current characters)
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TOAA (creator of Supreme Beings with a stroke of a pencil)
Pre-Retcon Beyonder/THOTI/Infinity Being (absolute Supreme Being Power)
Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (only Beyonder was above him)
Akhenaten - pre/depowered (mastered the power of THOTI)
Alien Entity (now the embodiment of the Big Bang that created the Marvelverse)
Scathan (from the Future - defeated Protege)
Protege (from the Future - if not for Scathan would've replaced LT)
LT (second to TOAA in the Present Marvel Universe)
Infinity Gauntlet (makes one "Supreme" beneath the LT)
Edifice Rex (power to return Marvel to it's Cosmic EGG)
HOM Wanda (restructured the entire Omniverse)
Classic MJJ/Jamie Braddock (MJJ was above Matrix/Merlyn
& Jamie warped a Multiversal Nexus effortlessly)
Matrix/Merlyn (power over all time/space in the Omniverse)
UN/CN (can nullify Reality & Abraxas's present existence)
Abraxas (embodiment of all destruction)
Photon (at full potential would wipe out Eternity/Infinity ... but was never realized)
Infinites/BeyonderS (Infinites were above Eternity
& a tiny fraction of the Beyonder's power creates CCUs)
Cosmic Containment Units (can remake Eternity)
Eternity/Infinity/Oblivion/Death (cornerstones of all Reality)
Lord Chaos & Master Order (maintain cosmic consonance)
Celestials (far more powerful than Cube beings)
Galactus (balance of Reality)
Phoenx Force (without it, the Stars would die)
Abtract Conceptual embodiments (love/hate ... etc)
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It's funny, the Celestials are towards the bottom of this list,
and yet it's the Celestials that seeded Humanity
with the future destiny of overcoming the Abstracts (even LT)
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And the LT was/is
and as far as Marvel is concerned will always be above the IG,
yes, definitely without any doubt until Marvel changes that fact.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Not sure I totally agree with your list there buddy.
You made a list, others made a list,
I'm not knocking anyone else's list though.
My list is based on all the Marvel comics I've read
concerning the characters in my list,
I'm not just taking names from a hat,
it's my conclusion
from what I've seen/read in Marvel Comics (on panel/handbooks/official Marvel sites)
I mesh all three sources and make an educated estimate according to the evidence.
I'm not knocking it. I'm mostly wondering why you have Alien Entity listed so high. His feat was pretty uber, but it's been duplicated and better. I'd say LT retconning the Brothers into guardians of their own megaverses trumps what Alien Entity did by a comfortable margin.
No need to take offense buddy. Just a friendly discussion.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33I'm not knocking it. I'm mostly wondering why you have Alien Entity listed so high. His feat was pretty uber, but it's been duplicated and better. I'd say LT retconning the Brothers into guardians of their own megaverses trumps what Alien Entity did by a comfortable margin.
The Alien Entity (right now) until Marvel portrays otherwise,
is literally one with the Fires of Creation (original Big Bang)
AE literally created from withIN itself the "spark" that initiates that same Big Bang.
Amazing.
And, I should point out,
that the LT itself was created withIN said Big Bang like everything else in Marvel.
Only the AE & Reed were in existence before the Marvelverse came to be again.
Anyways, what the AE did is uber
but it's not the primary reason for placing it so high,
the reason behind it's status
is the fact that the AE merged with the Fires of Creation itself,
making it the embodiment of the Big Bang,
and thus the power behind all Marvelverse's existence.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33No need to take offense buddy. Just a friendly discussion.
Originally posted by Mr Master
What the ALien Entity did has never been done before.The Alien Entity (right now) until Marvel portrays otherwise,
is literally one with the Fires of Creation (original Big Bang)
AE literally created from withIN itself the "spark" that initiates that same Big Bang.Amazing.
And, I should point out,
that the LT itself was created withIN said Big Bang like everything else in Marvel.Only the AE & Reed were in existence before the Marvelverse came to be again.
Anyways, what the AE did is uber
but it's not the primary reason for placing it so high,
the reason behind it's status
is the fact that the AE merged with the Fires of Creation itself,
making it the embodiment of the Big Bang,
and thus the power behind all Marvelverse's existence.👆 No offense taken, you're a true debater, I respect that always.
To be fair MM thats not exactly true.
Here is a previous post of mine:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Reed and the Entitys desire to understand, their questions on their own existence were TRIGGERS for the creation event:It was no feat of power. He was a trigger. Not a creator. That point is stated explicitly. There is no room for interpretation there.
If i light up a stick of dynamite i am the trigger for the resultant explosion, i am not the generator of the explosive power.
When Reed and the Entity travelled back to the pre 616 void and asked what is the meaning of life when they questioned existence they triggered the Big Bang.
However it happened in the exact same way as when Eternity did it (prior to their time travelling and interference) because as revealed they are Eternity. They like everyone else are extensions of him. As stated as much a part of him as the stars. Therefore as stated the reason life was created in Marvel was because Eternity strived to understand his own existence (presumably whilst in the cosmic egg) and [B]THAT
proved to be the catalyst for the creation event.The Alien Entity and Reed were merely substitutes for Eternity because they like EVERYONE ELSE are Eternity. The Alien Entity is no great universal creator. Neither is Reed Richards. [/B]
Originally posted by kevdude
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Thanks mate. You've always been rational and very reasonable when it comes to debates.
Galactus is no top tier cosmic.
What can 616 Galactus do at full power?
An alternate reality Galactus after the intervention of the Dreaming Celestial devoured his reality. That has nothing to do with 616 Galactus.
Theres a lot of talk about him being the balance between Eternity and Death. Thats fine, but thats just his role, that doesnt necessarily speak for his power. Role is never a certain indication.
The biggest feat 616 Galactus has achieved as far as i know is destroying 3 Galaxies in an outburst of power. This occurred in Annihilation. As far as im concerned Galactus belongs just above the likes of In Betweener and Stranger but below the most powerful of the Celestials, who themselves are generally below the likes of the Abstracts and Phoenix.
But each to their own i guess. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The biggest feat 616 Galactus has achieved as far as i know is destroying 3 Galaxies in an outburst of power. This occurred in Annihilation. As far as im concerned Galactus belongs just above the likes of In Betweener and Stranger but below the most powerful of the Celestials, who themselves are generally below the likes of the Abstracts and Phoenix.But each to their own i guess. 😬
You're giving Galactus too much credit lol. It was 3 solar systems....they did say it wasn't slowing down, though. And he was weakened.
Hell, Vulcan with the Phoenix destroyed 7 galaxies.
