Originally posted by guy222
Anyone remember Sise-NegI do
Yep, his name backwards is genesis.
He travelled back in time absorbing all of the magical energy from his native time in the future right to the beginning of time before the Big Bang. He then released this energy as the Big Bang that created reality.
His story was yet another origin tale for Marvel. There are so many that i dont think we can give one person credit for the role. Many beings have the power to do this and have done it so we should just stop arguing about who is ultimately responsible for it.
What i would say though is the power wasnt inherently his. So i wouldnt place him as top tier. He just has an unlimited capacity for energy absorption, but in his natural state he was just a powerful sorcerer just beyond Dr Strange.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What i would say though is the power wasnt inherently his. So i wouldnt place him as top tier. He just has an unlimited capacity for energy absorption, but in his natural state he was just a powerful sorcerer just beyond Dr Strange.
Well yeah, but at his peak...all the magic in existence plus the power of the Big Bang.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Well yeah, but at his peak...all the magic in existence plus the power of the Big Bang.
But the power wasnt his. Its the equivalent of using Thanos with the IG as the standard level for Thanos. Therefore in every ranking debate where Thanos is referenced hes put at top tier. Thats not right.
Also it wasnt all the magic in existence, plus the Big Bang. All of that magical energy WAS the Big Bang. In Marvel all magical energy within reality derives from the stars. There are some scans i posted in the Phoenix Respect thread which state this.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Also it wasnt all the magic in existence, plus the Big Bang. All of that magical energy WAS the Big Bang. In Marvel all magical energy within reality derives from the stars. There are some scans i posted in the Phoenix Respect thread which state this.
Err...So Phoenix and Eternity, for instance, have magic?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Err...So Phoenix and Eternity, for instance, have magic?
Phoenix is the life force of reality, the sentient energies of the Big Bang. Eternity is the physical embodiment of reality.
All energy from the universe derives from the stars:
"The ultimate source of all energy, electric, atomic even MYSTIC"
Dr Strange Mystic Arts 25
#26
"The ultimate source of all energy, electrial atomical and magical"
With the power of the stars, the Creators warped reality.
The stars of the universe are powered by the Phoenix Force:
"The stars.....the source from which all other life springs"
"The well from which they draw their sustenance is subject to turbulence....periodically it ignites in the form of......Dark Phoenix"
The stars are powered by the Phoenix Force.
The Phoenix that is "The sum and substance of life"
"Mother of the stars"
The difference between Phoenix and Eternity is that she is the creation power from which the universe derived. He is the embodiment of the universe.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix is the life force of reality, the sentient energies of the Big Bang. Eternity is the physical embodiment of reality.All energy from the universe derives from the stars:
"The ultimate source of all energy, electric, atomic even MYSTIC"
Dr Strange Mystic Arts 25
#26
"The ultimate source of all energy, electrial atomical and magical"
With the power of the stars, the Creators warped reality.
The stars of the universe are powered by the Phoenix Force:
[B]"The stars.....the source from which all other life springs"
"The well from which they draw their sustenance is subject to turbulence....periodically it ignites in the form of......Dark Phoenix"
The stars are powered by the Phoenix Force.
The Phoenix that is "The sum and substance of life"
"Mother of the stars"
The difference between Phoenix and Eternity is that she is the creation power from which the universe derived. He is the embodiment of the universe. [/B]
Figured I'd add to your nice scan collection in this thread with that. Little solidification of PF from Uatu.
Originally posted by EnyalusFigured I'd add to your nice scan collection in this thread with that. Little solidification of PF from Uatu.
And that scan is an example of what i was talking about before.
Here you have Uatu talking about how Phoenix ignites the Big Bang.
And yet you have accounts of Sise Neg, Genis and others doing it. We dont have to argue about who really is the ignition behind creation. Why cant it be all of them? Lets just leave it at that and debate about more interesting things. The difference is that with those other accounts they occurred through intervention. Is it natural for all the universes energies to be absorbed and then emitted by Sise Neg? Or is it natural for Genis to blow up Eternity to recreate the universe? No.
Uatu refers to the natural order of things.
