Originally posted by Knowsbleed33An incomplete IG shitstomped Quasar. A complete IG has never done anything but take over a single universe and duplicate a parallel Earth and Moon, etc.
An incomplete IG shitstomped the UN. A complete IG would make it a ho and trick it out all over town.IG>UN by a comfortable margin.
Remind me when an IG has actually done anything close to resetting an entire Multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStormTo be fair MM thats not exactly true.
Originally posted by GalacticStormHere is a previous post of mine:
I'm going to turn your repost inside out as soon as I go home,
I'm at work now so I don't have access to my comics for scans.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAnd isnt a bit odd that you rank the Alien Entity so high for temporarily being one with the Big Bang and yet you've placed the Phoenix who is the sentient energies of the Big Bang below Galactus level
Dude, what you smokin?
Light that, smoke that, pass that.
Originally posted by GalacticStormHis story was yet another origin tale for Marvel. There are so many that i dont think we can give one person credit for the role. Many beings have the power to do this and have done it so we should just stop arguing about who is ultimately responsible for it.
The Marvel Universe has only been re-created 4 times from nothingness,
after its initial inception.
The first origin is that of the Infinity Being creating the Marvelverse.
Then came the 4 re-creations:
Sise-Neg in 1972'
Genis/Entropy in 2002
Thanos/THOTI in 2003
Alien Entity in 2006
The difference between the AE and the rest,
is that the AE merged with the Fires of Creation
thus becoming the true embodiment of the Big Bang,
that spans creation past/present and future.
The AE also created the "Spark" that ignites said Fires of Creation,
from withIN his own body.
Originally posted by GalacticStormPhoenix is the life force of reality, the sentient energies of the Big Bang.
Eternity is the physical embodiment of reality.
The difference between Phoenix and Eternity
is that she is the creation power from which the universe derived.He is the embodiment of the universe.
This shit is hilarious.
Phoenix has never destroyed, remade or even affected 616 entirely,
(yea, yea, she prevented a possible future by mind raping Scott) whoopi do.
Heck Cable re-arranged his entire Future in the same basic format,
by change a single indivual's present in 616 therefore affacting his future,
same exact simplicity Jean did.
In fact, outside of a 'WHAT IF' ...
Phoenix has never destroyed a single reality period.
"Phoenix is the life force of reality, the sentient energies of the Big Bang." 😂
"Phoenix is the creation power from which the universe derived" durlaugh
What's scary is that you're still making these fallacious claims
after they've been shot down again, and again, and again.
You get an A for vain persistance.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Yes, it really matters. If an incomplete IG > Qausar with the UN, a complete IG has no correlation over the UN. The sheer scope of the UN's feat of resetting the Multiverse is virtually unmatched.
Does it really matter? If an incomplete IG > the UN, a complete IG >>> UN. Multiversal feat or not.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Why? Cause your mis-interpretation says so? 😆You must be under the impression that posting over-sized scans
will some how convince those who actually read the entire arc,
and know the facts.I'm going to turn your repost inside out as soon as I go home,
I'm at work now so I don't have access to my comics for scans.Phoenix ... "the sentient energies of the Big Bang" ... hysterical
Dude, what you smokin?
Light that, smoke that, pass that.
Why the aggression son? 😕
Do you feel threatened? 🙂
Take your ass home and post as you wish. It will not make a difference. Never has done. 😮
On panel, on multiple occassions the Phoenix Force is described by the likes of Reed Richards, Kubik, Galactus, Official Handbooks and the Force itself as the Big Bang, the energies of creation, life force of reality mother of the stars, sum and SUBSTANCE of all life and the well from which the stars draw sustenance.
Regardless of whether these facts fit into your agenda defined logic you are in no position to credibly tell anyone otherwise. Understand that. 😱
The Big Bang is the energies of creation. It is what created the universe within Marvel.
According to real world science the energy of the universe is primarily contained within the stars. They were the first astronomical objects created:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/07/080731-early-stars.html
http://www.exploratorium.edu/origins/cern/ideas/bang.html
They were created by the matter and energy of the Big Bang.
The Phoenix:
“Mother of the stars”
The Phoenix (According to Kubik the Cosmic Cube being):
"The stars.....the source from which all other life springs"
“The well from which they draw their sustenance”
According to Reed Richards, the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang:
“Galactus was transformed by the energies of creation, call it the Big Bang, The Phoenix Force or what have you”
The energies of the Big Bang gave the universe life. They are the universes life force.
Galactus marks the Phoenix avatar as those energies expressed within reality:
“An expression of the universal life force”
Galactus also makes the point that all the energy within the universes stems from the Big Bang. So anything that is of 616 is derived from the Big Bang: “In the moment of creation, all that will ever be, was. In birth and death there is transition and in living advancement, but nothing new is created.”
When Galactus tried to separate the Force from Rachel in Excalibur #25 the stars of reality started to die out:
This further cements the point that the stars of the universe are powered by the Phoenix Force. The Watcher makes the point that if Galactus continued the universe would be a lifeless void. It would face “Ultimate extinction”
As touched on before, the stars are powered by the Big Bang. They themselves enable life.
As revealed in Dr Strange the stars are the source of all energy in the universe:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix is the life force of reality, the sentient energies of the Big Bang. Eternity is the physical embodiment of reality.All energy from the universe derives from the stars:
"The ultimate source of all energy, electric, atomic even MYSTIC"
Dr Strange Mystic Arts 25
#26
"The ultimate source of all energy, electrial atomical and magical"
According to the Phoenix Force it is “the life force of the universe incarnate”:
As revealed in Excalibur the Phoenix is the energies of the Big Bang turned sentient:
To sum this up, the Phoenix was reborn into reality in the Big Bang. It is those energies turned sentient. That is how it is the “Mother of the stars”, “life force of reality” and the “sum and substance of all that lives”. That is why when Galactus disrupted the natural order by attempting to remove the Force from Rachel, the Watcher said the result could be ultimate extinction for reality.
Whilst Eternity is the embodiment of the universe, the Phoenix Force is the creation energies which brought the universe into being. Make of that what you will. However that point cannot be denied when it is so consistently made over the years within continuity.
The M’kraan Crystal was retconned into a multiversal nexus during the AOA event.
If the crystal is compromised in one reality then the effects are felt in all realities. Potentially wiping out the whole multiverse:
Adventures of the X-men #12 was originally portrayed as a What If reality with the Watcher introducing and concluding the story. In it the M’kraan crystal had been corrupted by the Dweller in the Darkness. He feeds on fear and was hoping that the universe would die in fear as the M’kraan crystals breakdown swallowed reality. This would have enabled him to feed off of the fear making him all powerful. However when Phoenix realised that the crystal had gone beyond the point of repair she decided to foil the Dwellers plans by telepathically reaching out to all life, helping them to except their fate and die in peace therefore giving off no fear for the Dweller to feed on. This universe was the one Galan came from and as reality broke down Galan was summoned by the Eternity of the previous reality to bond with him so that he would live on in the current reality as Galactus.
Whilst this was originally a What If tale as a result of the M’kraan retcon the fact that its power was fully unleashed meant that by current continuity all realities were destroyed, so the Watcher couldn’t have been around to report on anything. Because of this point Marvel ignored the fact that this was a What If tale and now treat the story as the last moments from the previous reality. There is a discussion about the point on the Handbook writer’s site:
(Look under the Fantastic Four bio section)
It is also referenced in the bios of Galactus:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Galactus
Dweller in the Darkness
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Dweller-In-Darkness
And LT:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Living_Tribunal
LTs bio refers to the Brothers who feature in the issue.
(I have all of the above bios in digital format and what’s on marvel.com is exactly the same. This can be proven if necessary.)
The M’kraan crystal therefore destroyed the previous multiverse and then recreated it.
