Fire Storm, Hal,Thanos & SS V.S. Thor, Monarch, Zoom, & CM

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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Enyalus
What's stopping Firestorm from transmuting his armor?
The fact that Monarch can literally catch his attacks?:

Originally posted by Enyalus
Christopher (?) Kent did pretty well...
a.) that 'battle' lasted a total of 2 pages.

b.) He (Kent) died expending all of his energies against Monarch - yet after the dust cleared, Monarch wasn't even scratched, and continued owning everyone.

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Anyhow, I do agree that Monarch has the potential to solo the field. I view every alternate Captain Atom in the multiverse + numerous Supermen + several Firestorms' + quite a few GL's as > team 1.

(Not to mention the fact that after Monarch effortlessly owned the above, he appeared to absorb their essences into himself.)

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by iceman24567
Team two stomps
No, they don't.
Originally posted by Juntai
It was the first comparison of someone slinging around signicantly higher levels of energy than another that I thought of.

And lets not act like Monarch wasn't a high end enemy. Galactus? Maybe not, but how far from it? The scope of his story, and power shown, implied or otherwise easily identify him as a multiversal threat, just look at all that happened in his arcs of Countdown.

He was only a multiversal threat due to the circumstances available to him and his army. Don't get carried away here. He got beaten by Prime. Thanos could do the same thing to him as well in less time imo.

illadelph12 aka Rakim Illa
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Monarch solos.
quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by illadelph12
Not a chance in hell.

fangirl101 Restricted

Monarch destroyed a universe. And has the power to alter the universe on a quantum lvl. I'd say he is beyond skyfather lvl. Unless someone can show me a skyfather destroying a universe.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Team 1 has better team members who are all very smart, and versatile. However, Team 2 has Monarch, and God Blast on their side.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!
Originally posted by fangirl101
Monarch destroyed a universe. And has the power to alter the universe on a quantum lvl. I'd say he is beyond skyfather lvl. Unless someone can show me a skyfather destroying a universe.

Beyond skyfather is abstract.

You wanna show me an abstract being beaten by Prime?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by fangirl101
Monarch destroyed a universe. And has the power to alter the universe on a quantum lvl. I'd say he is beyond skyfather lvl. Unless someone can show me a skyfather destroying a universe.
He destroyed a universe by losing. He can't destroy a universe on his own during a fight unless someone breaches his armor.

Prime defeated him on his own. Monarch is above top tiers just like Thanos, but when he fought someone similar to his power level he lost. Thanos has taken on someone who can affect the mulitverse which trumps anything universal according to your logic. 😉

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Enyalus
Beyond skyfather is abstract.

You wanna show me an abstract being beaten by Prime?


Mxy. Mordru.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Team 1 has better team members who are all very smart, and versatile. However, Team 2 has Monarch, and God Blast on their side.
When has current Thor used a godblast?

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
He destroyed a universe by losing. He can't destroy a universe on his own during a fight unless someone breaches his armor.

Prime defeated him on his own. Monarch is above top tiers just like Thanos, but when he fought someone similar to his power level he lost. Thanos has taken on someone who can affect the mulitverse which trumps anything universal according to your logic. 😉


Who has Thanos fought that can affect the multiverse? And what to you mean affect? In what way?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by fangirl101
Mxy. Mordru.
Prime didn't defeat Mordru. Mxy was defeated with prep and aid. Context, it is like you don't even read these comics.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!
Originally posted by fangirl101
Mxy. Mordru.

The Mxy feat wasn't a solo one. And he didn't beat Mordru...they didn't even really fight.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Mxy. Mordru.

Mxy was powered down, and he was playing with PRime. However, Superman can beat Mordru

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Who has Thanos fought that can affect the multiverse? And what to you mean affect? In what way?
Odin affected the multiverse in his battle with Seth. Odin easily defeated Seth when his full power returned. Odin didn't defeat Thanos and he had his full power the entire fight.

illadelph12 aka Rakim Illa

Ripping the containment suit of an energy is hardly an overwhelming win in my opinion. Prime's "defeat" of Monarch doesn't prove much.

Monarch wasn't overwhelmed, he had a wardrobe malfunction.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
The fact that Monarch can literally catch his attacks?:

Yeah but when FS transmutes something, it isn't an energy-blast.

Originally posted by Galan007
I view every alternate Captain Atom in the multiverse + numerous Supermen + several Firestorms' + quite a few GL's as > team 1.

Heh. Same here.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ripping the containment suit of an energy is hardly an overwhelming win in my opinion. Prime's "defeat" of Monarch doesn't prove much.

Monarch wasn't overwhelmed, he had a wardrobe malfunction.

It isn't an overwhelming win, but the guy loses when his suit is ripped open.

fangirl101 Restricted

I'm still waiting on someone who is skyfather to show that they have the power inside of them to destroy an entire reality. until further notice, Monarch solo's everyone including his own team.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Enyalus
Beyond skyfather is abstract.

You wanna show me an abstract being beaten by Prime?


I think Prime could do well against team 1 too. Monarch is probably just suited for it, since he's not only a similar level, but an energy manipulator like they are.