Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin affected the multiverse in his battle with Seth. Odin easily defeated Seth when his full power returned. Odin didn't defeat Thanos and he had his full power the entire fight.
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Originally posted by Juntai
I think Prime could do well against team 1 too. Monarch is probably just suited for it, since he's not only a similar level, but an energy manipulator like they are.
That's why I think Prime would be better suited and Monarch wouldn't. 😬 'Cause Prime would just fly through most of the blasts and energy manip. Monarch would need to concentrate and be careful to not get messed up. SS has plenty of energy draining and manipulation feats. The Crunch for instance (which is universal in scale, much like Monarch's energies). And he's also screwed with Wonder Man's internal ionic energies without actually touching him.
Monarch would have to work harder than Prime against this team. And IMO T-2 loses.
Originally posted by EnyalusThe Crunch nearly killed Surfer. And he didn't manipulate all of it. Not even close. It was just that the energies where the kryptonite to the two elder gods.
That's why I think Prime would be better suited and Monarch wouldn't. 😬 'Cause Prime would just fly through most of the blasts and energy manip. Monarch would need to concentrate and be careful to not get messed up. SS has plenty of energy draining and manipulation feats. The Crunch for instance (which is universal in scale, much like Monarch's energies). And he's also screwed with Wonder Man's internal ionic energies without actually touching him.Monarch would have to work harder than Prime against this team. And IMO T-2 loses.
Originally posted by fangirl101
The Crunch nearly killed Surfer. And he didn't manipulate all of it. Not even close. It was just that the energies where the kryptonite to the two elder gods.
Surfer channeling a small portion of the crunch was never mentioned. All he said was that he was going to channel "the crunch energy" and Galactus gave us an idea of the impressiveness of the feat by explaining that it would be difficult for even him to channel the "crunch energy". End of story
Originally posted by EnyalusMonarch?
You wanna show me an abstract being beaten by Prime?
In all seriousness, it's a stretch to say Prime 'beat' Monarch. If you examine the battle, you will find that by the end it seemed as though Monarch had the edge. You will find that the most powerful energy attack Monarch used (which was nothing in comparison to what he'd already displayed in "Arena,"😉 still caused an explosion which was sufficient to "really, really hurt" Prime (by his own accord.) Other then that, Monarch didn't do much more than use a few small energy blasts/antagonize Prime. Said arrogance is what allowed Prime to sneak in and rip open his armor.
That's just not how Monarch would fight in a forum battle.
Originally posted by EnyalusI beg to differ.
Yeah but when FS transmutes something, it isn't an energy-blast.
Originally posted by EnyalusSo if you agree the characters Monarch has already beaten are > team 1.... Why are you arguing for them? Just curious
Heh. Same here.
Originally posted by Galan007
So if you agree the characters Monarch has already beaten are > team 1.... Why are you arguing for them? Just curious
I think I mentioned already in this or another thread that IMO what gave him such an impressive showing in Arena - that no one on team one would be able to duplicate - was mostly due to his armor. Hell, three GLs energy blasts would just bounce off of it harmlessly. No one on team one has that sort of thing. They'd all have to take the hits, or have their shielding taxed, etc. That IMO is why they wouldn't be able to do so (I'm mainly talking about Thanos here.) In a heads up fight, Thanos vs. Monarch would be a decent battle to me. You want someone who's physically somewhere in the strength range of Prime? WM Thor w/ PG. Someone who has comparable energy output to Monarch? Odin. Maker. So I think he at least 1 v 1 would put up a helluva fight.
I gave Team One the win for the reasons I stated previously. Thanos as field commander. Prep for him. FS being extremely versatile and being able to create armor, transmute the ground, etc etc. Thanos and SS having BFR abilities. Thanos' forceblock and mindrape. *shrug* More flexible. Plus they've got experience working together and could be mind-linked for the battle.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I think I mentioned already in this or another thread that IMO what gave him such an impressive showing in Arena - that no one on team one would be able to duplicate - was mostly due to his armor. Hell, three GLs energy blasts would just bounce off of it harmlessly. No one on team one has that sort of thing. They'd all have to take the hits, or have their shielding taxed, etc. That IMO is why they wouldn't be able to do so (I'm mainly talking about Thanos here.) In a heads up fight, Thanos vs. Monarch would be a decent battle to me. You want someone who's physically somewhere in the strength range of Prime? WM Thor w/ PG. Someone who has comparable energy output to Monarch? Odin. Maker. So I think he at least 1 v 1 would put up a helluva fight.I gave Team One the win for the reasons I stated previously. Thanos as field commander. Prep for him. FS being extremely versatile and being able to create armor, transmute the ground, etc etc. Thanos and SS having BFR abilities. Thanos' forceblock and mindrape. *shrug* More flexible. Plus they've got experience working together and could be mind-linked for the battle.
Im not going to get into any Monarch discussion but since this is current thor here and bloodlust is on team 2 has an added advantage. A single durok like lightning bolt could potentially kill anyone on team one save maybe thanos and SS. then its 4 on 2 and team 1 has no chance of winning that confrontation.
Originally posted by EnyalusSeems like you're assuming that team 2 would be incapable of reverting the transmutations caused by team 1. This is also assuming Zoom wouldn't be tagging team 1's transmuters millions of times with Superman-esque punches, before they were able to use their powers (which he would certainly be able to do.)
I gave Team One the win for the reasons I stated previously. Thanos as field commander. Prep for him. FS being extremely versatile and being able to create armor, transmute the ground, etc etc. Thanos and SS having BFR abilities. Thanos' forceblock and mindrape. *shrug* More flexible. Plus they've got experience working together and could be mind-linked for the battle.
The latter alone could give Monarch more than enough time to wave his hand and vaporize.... At least everyone but Thanos.
Meh.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Im not going to get into any Monarch discussion but since this is current thor here and bloodlust is on team 2 has an added advantage. A single durok like lightning bolt could potentially kill anyone on team one save maybe thanos and SS. then its 4 on 2 and team 1 has no chance of winning that confrontation.
uhuh If you wanna play the bloodlusted powers game, then SS traps all of Team Two in a black hole and waits for whoever comes out of it to blast them all to hell with Thanos' and Hal's help.
Originally posted by Galan007
Seems like you're assuming that team 2 would be incapable of reverting the transmutations caused by team 1. This is also assuming Zoom wouldn't be tagging team 1's transmuters millions of times with Superman-esque punches, before they were able to use their powers (which he would certainly be able to do.)The latter alone could give Monarch more than enough time to wave his hand and vaporize.... At least everyone but Thanos.
Meh.
Who would reverse the transmutations? Thor?
Everyone gets 10 seconds of prep. That means Team One starts off in the air, where Zoom can't hit 'em. I think Zoom is nearly useless in this battle.
Originally posted by EnyalusAnd/or Monarch.
Who would reverse the transmutations? Thor?
Originally posted by EnyalusZoom's battled air based opponents in the past, and he's never had a problem. Dunno why it'd be an issue here. But whatevs. *shrugs*
Everyone gets 10 seconds of prep. That means Team One starts off in the air, where Zoom can't hit 'em. I think Zoom is nearly useless in this battle.