Wait, did you just call the all mighty perfect god a troll? are you serious?
And I dont lesson or hype things up, i go simply from what i see. In my personal opinion voyuer is taking a simple ending of a game and puts too much thought into it. But lets just assume what voyuer is saying makes perfect sense, to everyone. We still couldnt use it simply for the fact that its theories and speculation. So no matter how much anyone agrees with him, it cant be used.
No, really, he's a self admitted troll, he admits it on these boards. I like the guy.
Well, the fact is Link was exposed to moon busting force, and we don't know how. =P Discarding the feat entirely is unfair to Link, who already gets a shafty deal because Nintendo never says anythign directly, ever, and never use cutscenes for combat ever. This makes for great gaming, but it's a pain in debates. Voyuer's theory might not be one you agree with, but it IS a good shot at minimalizing the feat without gettign rid of it entirely. [read: for purposes of debate, it's a godsend, because it allows us to minimalise an unknown quanitity of power, without discarding obvious fact because we're simply unsure what exactly occured.]
^My opinion, anyway.
Is this still undecided? Let me fix that. (and this is what I was talking about when I said that Link wins the same way he always does)
Link is infinitely invincible due to Chatuae Romani + Nayru's Love. Link slows Dante down via Reverse Song of Time. Eventually, after Link wades through every attempt Dante puts up to resist (stick your arguement filler here), Link kills him with the Master Sword.
Any objections?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, really, he's a self admitted troll, he admits it on these boards. I like the guy.Well, the fact is Link was exposed to moon busting force, and we don't know how. =P Discarding the feat entirely is unfair to Link, who already gets a shafty deal because Nintendo never says anythign directly, ever, and never use cutscenes for combat ever. This makes for great gaming, but it's a pain in debates. Voyuer's theory might not be one you agree with, but it IS a good shot at minimalizing the feat without gettign rid of it entirely. [read: for purposes of debate, it's a godsend, because it allows us to minimalise an unknown quanitity of power, without discarding obvious fact because we're simply unsure what exactly occured.]
^My opinion, anyway.
Its not being unfair, there is no proof to back it up, neither link nor dante get the benefit of the doubt, so anything not proven does not count. Just because nintendo doesnt use/say anything directly doesnt mean we can just start letting things slide for link or start giving him excuses. Nintendo didnt say it or show link tanking a moon explosion, i dont give a damn why, but they didnt, so it simply cant be used in a debate.
The fact that i dont agree with voyuer has to do with absolutely nothing, it doesnt mean anything at all. Whether or not i agree with him doesnt change the fact that what hes saying is not a fact. Just because we dont know what happened to link doesnt mean there has to be a scenario, which your trying to imply that there has to be a one. There doesnt. It didnt show link leaving the moon, or give any proof of what actually happened, im sure it was put that way for a reason so trying to find out what really happened does absolutely nothing.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Is this still undecided? Let me fix that. (and this is what I was talking about when I said that Link wins the same way he always does)Link is infinitely invincible due to Chatuae Romani + Nayru's Love. Link slows Dante down via Reverse Song of Time. Eventually, after Link wades through every attempt Dante puts up to resist (stick your arguement filler here), Link kills him with the Master Sword.
Any objections?
You're confusing two situations, and I'm not asking something be let slide at all. It's not like it's a feat with no proof to back it up, Link was there, the moon did get broked, Link was subject to the same force that caused it, at ground zero.
What you see is the case of there being no proof something actually happened, this isn't the case, that it happened is beyond doubt, we just don't know exactly what 'it' is. The simplest explanation, and the one that is the least impresive for Link, is an explosion. =P Any other explanation actually makes this a much better feat.
So we know it DID happen, we just don't know how, to cast it aside entirely because we don't fully understand it would be very biased. 😬 This isn't a case of a missing feat, just one Nintendo didn't elaborate on. [Because they never do.] Link obviously survived moon busting force, lol. We just don't know how much, so like any feat, we round it down to the minimal possible so as not to exagerate.
Besides, I never once claimed explosion, I always used the word "destruction" because it's so unclear, but what it honestly looks like is the pocket dimension imploded, and the resulting elastic expansion destroyed the moon around it. [Picture when a bunch of waves in a pool rise together, and then explode outward] This is just my opinion thoguh, and I never once presented it as fact, but if it were what happened, and ... Lets say I emailed Shiggy and he confirmed it or something [Lolasif], that would literally put Link beyond surviving a meteor like what probably killed the dinosaurs, to the face.
Thankfully I never presented my opinion as fact, what is fact, is that at the very least, he survived something capable of busting a moon, and the minimal force required to do something like that would crator-ify a portion of land easily visible from outer space.
k1iLla, Link is the only person who is able to move during the casting of Nayru's Love, Din's Fire or Farore's wind. Dont believe me? You think its just game mechanics? Well, every enemy in the game freezes when Link uses the Ocarina or NL, DF or FW. Except one. Dark LINK! A clone of Link. He still has the ability to move during the animation of the attack. Get owned.
As for the Ocarina of Time, it WOULD make sense if it stopped time during its use like it does in the game, considering it controls time and all.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're confusing two situations, and I'm not asking something be let slide at all. It's not like it's a feat with no proof to back it up, Link was there, the moon did get broked, Link was subject to the same force that caused it, at ground zero.What you see is the case of there being no proof something actually happened, this isn't the case, that it happened is beyond doubt, we just don't know exactly what 'it' is. The simplest explanation, and the one that is the least impresive for Link, is an explosion. =P Any other explanation actually makes this a much better feat.
So we know it DID happen, we just don't know how, to cast it aside entirely because we don't fully understand it would be very biased. 😬 This isn't a case of a missing feat, just one Nintendo didn't elaborate on. [Because they never do.] Link obviously survived moon busting force, lol. We just don't know how much, so like any feat, we round it down to the minimal possible so as not to exagerate.
Besides, I never once claimed explosion, I always used the word "destruction" because it's so unclear, but what it honestly looks like is the pocket dimension imploded, and the resulting elastic expansion destroyed the moon around it. [Picture when a bunch of waves in a pool rise together, and then explode outward] This is just my opinion thoguh, and I never once presented it as fact, but if it were what happened, and ... Lets say I emailed Shiggy and he confirmed it or something [Lolasif], that would literally put Link beyond surviving a meteor like what probably killed the dinosaurs, to the face.
Thankfully I never presented my opinion as fact, what is fact, is that at the very least, he survived something capable of busting a moon, and the minimal force required to do something like that would crator-ify a portion of land easily visible from outer space.
The only thing that i know for a fact is that the moon was no more, there was some rumbling and shaking, but for all i know that could have been from the mask being destroyed. There you go again, giving link the benefit of the doubt, that was not nearly the least impressiv thing that could have happened. Maybe the skull kid took link with him when he got down? is that so impressive for link? And on top of all that, the kid tanked the moon explosion too?
I never casted anything aside, and i never said it didnt happen, so let me make this clear: we can NOT prove what happened to the moon or how link may have got down. There are many to theories to what may have happened to the moon, link could have gotten taken out of there, he could have tanked the moon explosion, the moon may have not even exploded, but there just that- theories, things that are not fact. You keep saying its not fact but sentences like "link obviously survived moon busting force, lol" make me think you still doing the exact same thing. We dont know that the moon necassarily "busted", it looked more like it disappered than anything, and its not because of the rainbow.
And if its just your opinion, then why use this in the debate? If you understand me then why not say something to the people who use this "moon tanking feat" to links advantage?
"Thankfully I never presented my opinion as fact, what is fact, is that at the very least, he survived something capable of busting a moon, and the minimal force required to do something like that would crator-ify a portion of land easily visible from outer space."
See, this sentence right here is wrong. It is not a fact that link survived moon busting force, not at all, there are many outcomes to what could have happened, and some of them include link tanking no force at all- so whats to stop me from saying that one of those scenarios didnt happen? because I cant prove that it happened, and neither can you. And How strong exactly is moon "busting" force? An explosion may be a lot of force, but do you count the moon being vanished away "busting" because something being vanished or teleported doesnt take much force at all.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
k1iLla, Link is the only person who is able to move during the casting of Nayru's Love, Din's Fire or Farore's wind. Dont believe me? You think its just game mechanics? Well, every enemy in the game freezes when Link uses the Ocarina or NL, DF or FW. Except one. Dark LINK! A clone of Link. He still has the ability to move during the animation of the attack. Get owned.As for the Ocarina of Time, it WOULD make sense if it stopped time during its use like it does in the game, considering it controls time and all.
I hadn't realised you responded in this thread, but I'll reply to the important part, Killa.
"Thankfully I never presented my opinion as fact, what is fact, is that at the very least, he survived something capable of busting a moon, and the minimal force required to do something like that would crator-ify a portion of land easily visible from outer space."No, Nintendo confirmed the moon was busted, and the only possible explanation for Link ending up where he did, unconcious, is that when it happened, Link was exposed to some kind of force. These are simple facts. No one was there to get him out of there, there was no way out except the destruction of the moon, really. The scenarios where Link withstood no force are obviously flawed, and badly.See, this sentence right here is wrong. It is not a fact that link survived moon busting force, not at all, there are many outcomes to what could have happened, and some of them include link tanking no force at all- so whats to stop me from saying that one of those scenarios didnt happen? because I cant prove that it happened, and neither can you. And How strong exactly is moon "busting" force? An explosion may be a lot of force, but do you count the moon being vanished away "busting" because something being vanished or teleported doesnt take much force at all.
I'll hand you an egg, and without moving the shell from where you're holding it, break the shell, and have the yolk travel accross the room unbroken? Impossible, sir.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I hadn't realised you responded in this thread, but I'll reply to the important part, Killa.No, Nintendo confirmed the moon was busted, and the only possible explanation for Link ending up where he did, unconcious, is that when it happened, Link was exposed to some kind of force. These are simple facts. No one was there to get him out of there, there was no way out except the destruction of the moon, really. The scenarios where Link withstood no force are obviously flawed, and badly.
I'll hand you an egg, and without moving the shell from where you're holding it, break the shell, and have the yolk travel accross the room unbroken? Impossible, sir.
Bad example, in actual real life there would be no way that my examples would be making any sense at all, but in zelda its a whole different story. When they say busted, they dont put much thought into it, you mean busted as actually busted, annihalated, destroyed, exploded, etc. Easy, pis is a great explanation on how it could have happened, so unless you can prove that it was not pis (which you obviously cant) or any other scenario, then its not fact.Actually it's an excellent example, because both are IMPOSSIBLE =P
The moon was broken, how, we don't know, what we DO know is that Link survived it, and he, in this case, is a very durable egg yolk.
PIS? I don't even se how that applies to this, at all, lol. In that case, Dante surviving getting impaled by alastor is PIS... ? =P
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually it's an excellent example, because both are IMPOSSIBLE =PThe moon was broken, how, we don't know, what we DO know is that Link survived it, and he, in this case, is a very durable egg yolk.
PIS? I don't even se how that applies to this, at all, lol. In that case, Dante surviving getting impaled by alastor is PIS... ? =P
1. no, something magical that seems impossible in the real world can surely happen in zelda.. like i said, moons with faces, talking faries, ability to slow time with an ocarina, masks that turn into wierd creatures, i mean trying to compare that with an actual real world event is ... fail.
2. Thats where your mistaken; you can not prove that "surviving it" is such a great feat. Like i said, what if the moon had vanished? Would it be such a great feat if i said link withstood a moon busting force, yet the moon just "vanished"? no, it would not.
3. Those are two different things, one being actual fact that we saw.. and one is a game where some did is on a moon, and with no actual explosion wakes up on a the planet the moon was orbiting, and the the moon vanishes. The latter just SCREAMS pis, if you can not see it then your blind, kind sir.
Originally posted by BloodRainOld thread is old, Neither character's feats had been as well mapped out as they are currently.
Bump for OoT Link vs Dante.Most of the points in this thread were pretty poor tbh. Moon exploding durability? Cutting arrows or dodging whip means Dante couldnt blitz him? Some odd stuff going on back then but good to see the birth of CC, Cyner and the pillar feat~
Dante still can't blitz him though. 😎
...Why would you bump this?
Even without diving into feats cutting an arrow = skipping past bullets? [Or how his bullets have no strength behind them >>]
Seeing as this was the last time these two have been pitted against each other, when not on teams that is, figured some things should be brought into better light.
Like how Link will manage to get enough damage on Dante to win..
Yeah Moo, Sora would of beaten Link if everyone didnt quit the thread from no set Link. Soo... yeah.