Dante vs Link

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, reflecting lightning consistently does. 😐

Still need something that confirms 200m. Without it Dante's drastically stronger, he's taken hits from things (I count 3) around Link's level and Link's durability [gauntlets or not] will be drastically reduced.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Cannot speak for Son's Oath, but yes, Gilgamesh and DT stack.

If you take the Distortion glitch into account...313

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You should word it better next time then. 😛
And I agree that he tosses it mainly with his left arm (as the Saviour's arm also moves towards Dante's right), but he uses his body as well, which is why the whole "you should word it better next time" bit.

With the only canon reaction scenes being the OoT and TP ones aka the most problematic ones.

Still need something that confirms 200m. Without it Dante's drastically stronger, he's taken hits from things (I count 3) around Link's level and Link's durability [gauntlets or not] will be drastically reduced.

You still need something that confirms 60m, which is a drasstic undercut. I maintain it's a moot point, because Link can and will harm Dante, who he can react to with ease because:

With the only canon reaction scenes being the OoT and TP ones

eh.

its getting pretty hard to argue for link these days.

hope skyward sword does something drastic, it already seems as if he's far more agile than he's ever been before.

Their strength would be near base Dante's, who's around Links strength.

...yeah I just said that. Doesn't cover the faults though. And Ill cover the speed when the strength is out of the way~

Sight, trig, steps, time= &#8804;30m with a 45m curve. Yet I'm still leaving it at 60m curve just to be nice. Even if those methods aren't 100% accurate the fact that they all give a similar result speaks for itself. Hey hey, Ive asked twice and had to answer first.. how'd that happen? <.<

200m, lets go.

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Anxious to know what Skyward Link plans to do after jumping off.

Sure looks like 30 m to me. 😐 Hell, given the freakin' pillar is atleast 10m tall, it flies atleast 40m into the air, probably more.

Your trig numbers have been discussed and you proved they were innaccurate when you took the same two object,s swapped places, and came out with differentn umbers due to OoT's skewed perspective system, ect. It doesn't need to be 200m, I don't really care, it's a moot argument, Link is easily strong enough to harm Dante, feats for these beings? "Around base Dante" Puts them, accepting your numbers without question (I'd like to do my own work, 425 MJ seems higher than what I'd guess for stopping Saviour's fist, but meh!), at significantly weaker than Link. Entire gigajoules behind. (Double Dante's strength, and that's just part of the distance between them)

So, really, the strength argument isn't important. 😐 I disagree strongly with 30m of straight distance and the way you mathed the arc is guess work at best. >_> I'd have to bust out ye olde geometry combined with some physics to really figure it out.

what is important:

-Link is strong enough to hurt Dante.
-Link can react at a speed Dante cannot dream of moving at, and swing hsi sword fast enough to intercept something at said speed.
-Link can legitimately beat Dante with just his fists. If he decides to fight dirty and go for a ball-kick it's over. 131 CIS might prohibit that, though. 😎

Also, I've yet to actually make arguments for any of the many many items and powers Link has access to. I'm that confident in Link's ability to win with his fists.

Edit: Looking at that picture, the pillar lands on a hill, and the hole it covered could be, without forshortenning, measured multiple times verticly down to where the pillar lands. (The hill actually fixes the trig problem btw, because the angle doesn't need to be as extreme) There's seriously no way that is only 30m. >|

Even if Link can hurt Dante, whats he got to stop his regen (or whatever he has that allows him to yank a sword out of his chest and laugh about it)?

And Dante is still far faster than Links wildest dreams.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Even if Link can hurt Dante, whats he got to stop his regen (or whatever he has that allows him to yank a sword out of his chest and laugh about it)?

And Dante is still far faster than Links wildest dreams.

Link reacts to lightning. Lightning > Dante. 😐 "He's faster because he is!" doesn't work, circular logic is circular.

No, he doesn't react to lightning. A lightning bolt isn't a yellow ball that moves slower than an arrow. It isn't a waving yellow line that's slow enough to still be there when fire starts nor does it spit out globdules of liquid. etc etc.

Fair enough on the regen thing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, he doesn't react to lightning. A lightning bolt isn't a yellow ball that moves slower than an arrow. It isn't a waving yellow line that's slow enough to still be there when fire starts nor does it spit out globdules of liquid. etc etc.

Fair enough on the regen thing.

Electricity can form a constant stream, or the artist cannot give a shit and add fire because he likes fire.

😎

Gameplay mechanics---> Not valid argument.

You havn't even nearly proved it to be lightning. And teh burden of proof is on you I'm afraid

Electricity can form a constant stream, or the artist cannot give a shit and add fire because he likes fire.

Yeah, now how about you give me some reasons to think its lightning. Becuase all I can think of is that its yellow (Not that actual lightning is actually yellow but nitpicking is bad). Not that it matters, as its a still image, so you can't prove that Link reacted to it. He probably just put his sword up when he saw Ganon preparing the spell and used his sword as a lightning rod. That is, even if it is lightning, which hasn't been proven.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You havn't even nearly proved it to be lightning. And teh burden of proof is on you I'm afraid

Yeah, now how about you give me some reasons to think its lightning. Becuase all I can think of is that its yellow (Not that actual lightning is actually yellow but nitpicking is bad). Not that it matters, as its a still image, so you can't prove that Link reacted to it. He probably just put his sword up when he saw Ganon preparing the spell and used his sword as a lightning rod. That is, even if it is lightning, which hasn't been proven.

Nitpicky deconstruction is ghey, don't do it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Full speed lightning has been in Ganon's power set since 1991, the only time it's been seen slower is in gameplay where Link reflects it. This is because the player needs to react. Ganon used a lightning attack, in order for it to be slower than what we already know he has, we have to assume he is sabotaging himself, which is a TERRIBLE assumption.

Nitpicky deconstruction is ghey, don't do it.

I know it has. Now prove that Link can react to it. Becuase of the two instances where its possible, you havn't proven that its lightning nor have you proven that Link's reacting to it in the artwork. So do that.

I'm not, I'm just telling you that its your burden to prove your claims. Please do so.

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I know it has. Now prove that Link can react to it. Becuase of the two instances where its possible, you havn't proven that its lightning nor have you proven that Link's reacting to it in the artwork. So do that.

Quit the attempt at deconstruction, it's just stupid and can be applied to anything.

Originally posted by BloodRain

Or the Just Charge 😎 pow.

Wordings not my strength <~< type how it sounds in my head. Sounds right up here.

Just Charge Lv2 Distorted hits? stoned

Work on your wording then uhuh

~ On the Regen thing...doesn't Dante have items that increase his defense or something like that? Or are items not taken into consideration?

Link reflected it in OoT. That is a reaction. In OoT, you can clearly see the freakin' lightning in Ganon's hand before he launches it,

Oh please. Its a very common trope that sorcerers crackle with power etc as they use magic, often appearing as electricty. It doesn't prove anything.

If you'd like I'd be prepared to admit that its probably Ball Lightning, (and it is) which is far more likely, plausible and fits the characteristics of the attack muuuuuuuuch better. Though naturally it would therefore be useless as a speed feat becuase, if wiki is to be believed- 'They tend to move, most often in a horizontal direction at a few meters per second, but may also move vertically, remain stationary or wander erratically.'

and Link in the artwork has managed to put his sword between himself and a lightning strike without being struck, that is a reaction.

Lightning is drawn to metal. Holding a sword in front of you before he fires would do it, just as dodging a persons aim before they can fire a gun lets you dodge it. Niether require above human reactions either.

Oh please. Its a very common trope that sorcerers crackle with power etc as they use magic, often appearing as electricty. It doesn't prove anything.

If you'd like I'd be prepared to admit that its probably Ball Lightning, (and it is) which is far more likely, plausible and fits the characteristics of the attack muuuuuuuuch better. Though naturally it would therefore be useless as a speed feat becuase, if wiki is to be believed- 'They tend to move, most often in a horizontal direction at a few meters per second, but may also move vertically, remain stationary or wander erratically.'

Your ball lightning assumption relies on Ganon intentionally screwing himself over, which he would not do, bad assumption is bad.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Just Charge Lv2 Distorted hits? stoned

Work on your wording then uhuh

~ On the Regen thing...doesn't Dante have items that increase his defense or something like that? Or are items not taken into consideration?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
-Watches someone walk past a lamppost 30m~ from my window- Looks like it.

Sure looks like 30 m to me. 😐 Hell, given the freakin' pillar is atleast 10m tall, it flies atleast 40m into the air, probably more.

Your trig numbers have been discussed and you proved they were innaccurate when you took the same two object,s swapped places, and came out with differentn umbers due to OoT's skewed perspective system, ect. It doesn't need to be 200m, I don't really care, it's a moot argument, Link is easily strong enough to harm Dante, feats for these beings? "Around base Dante" Puts them, accepting your numbers without question (I'd like to do my own work, 425 MJ seems higher than what I'd guess for stopping Saviour's fist, but meh!), at significantly weaker than Link. Entire gigajoules behind. (Double Dante's strength, and that's just part of the distance between them)

So, really, the strength argument isn't important. 😐 I disagree strongly with 30m of straight distance and the way you mathed the arc is guess work at best. >_> I'd have to bust out ye olde geometry combined with some physics to really figure it out.

what is important:

-Link is strong enough to hurt Dante.
-Link can react at a speed Dante cannot dream of moving at, and swing hsi sword fast enough to intercept something at said speed.
-Link can legitimately beat Dante with just his fists. If he decides to fight dirty and go for a ball-kick it's over. 131 CIS might prohibit that, though. 😎

Also, I've yet to actually make arguments for any of the many many items and powers Link has access to. I'm that confident in Link's ability to win with his fists.

It gave 20 and 30 with that bad angle. This is a new trig with a much better angle, yet again in the same area. Thats still 3 good methods over your one method of sight. Without 100ms and using 40ms Links only 1.02 [600 tons] to 1.7 [1000 tons] times Dante's strength so theres no significant strength difference.

Chronological order; [each time he gets stronger]
DMC1-Nelo Angelo beats on Dante, his physical strength is well above his. Thats about DMC4 strength. Was only in pain for a while.
DMC Anime: Abigail, on equal strength to Dante, smacks him around and impales him with 7 spikes. Literally laughs it off.
DMC4-Nero's DB is as strong as Dante. 20 punches from him and clash swords later on. Shrugged it off.
-Savior's punch, 2000 tons moving at 100m/s [calc if you want, half the weight for an interesting number] Shrugged it off again.
^He can take Links attacks without trouble~

Gilgamesh. Now he's twice as strong as what Links taken even if he took that kind of damage. And again speed will be dealt with later. Link will be damaged by Dante's attacks and Dante wont be affected that much by Link's. Strength is over unless you get a clear cut number of 100m/s.

This is not what happened, Ganondorf used an electrical attack, which doesn't just crackle, it takes the form of a bolt in his hand before he launches it. If it strikes Link, it electrocutes him. Trope my ass.

Bolt my ass. It's a sphere. Or as some might call it....a Ball. 😉

Your ball lightning assumption relies on Ganon intentionally screwing himself over, which he would not do, bad assumption is bad.

Its far less of an assumption than your bizare 'lightning bolt that just happens to be a sphere and move at the exact same speed as ball lightning yet for some reason isn't' theory. He clearly doesn't use the lightning bolts that he used to, and your fanon logic is trumped by the developers authority. Just becuase you think its stupid doesn't make it discontinuity. CIS is a sad yet canon aspect of the every storytelling medium. In the Neverending Story 2 the protagonist can wish for anything yet wishes for a ****ing spraycan to fight some eldritch abominations. Do we declare it retarded and say taht it must have been a magic spray can that gives him superpowers? No, becuase that would be equally stupid. Heck, doesn't Ganon only use lightning spray in his pig form on the handhelds? Maybe he just can't do it as a 'human' sorcerer.

**** it, it's Ball Lightning. That's my stance on the matter and thats where the evidence is.

Been riding the Ganon > Dorf train for a while now for strength and abilities. No idea how its been denied :/

Originally posted by Nephthys
[b]Bolt my ass. It's a sphere. Or as some might call it....a Ball. 😉

Its far less of an assumption than your bizare 'lightning bolt that just happens to be a sphere and move at the exact same speed as ball lightning yet for some reason isn't' theory. He clearly doesn't use the lightning bolts that he used to, and your fanon logic is trumped by the developers authority. Just becuase you think its stupid doesn't make it discontinuity. CIS is a sad yet canon aspect of the every storytelling medium. In the Neverending Story 2 the protagonist can wish for anything yet wishes for a ****ing spraycan to fight some eldritch abominations. Do we declare it retarded and say taht it must have been a magic spray can that gives him superpowers? No, becuase that would be equally stupid. Heck, doesn't Ganon only use lightning spray in his pig form on the handhelds? Maybe he just can't do it as a 'human' sorcerer.

**** it, it's Ball Lightning. That's my stance on the matter and thats where the evidence is. [/B]

You're assuming CIS where there is none, the gameplay appearance is the ONLY thing you have and it's worth nothing next to the canon fact that Ganondorf uses full speed lightning and for those lightning attacks to be slower assumes Ganon lost on purpose.

Stop assuming things or attempting to deconstruct shit like this. I can do exactly what you're doing.

"PRove bullets in DMC move bullet speed!" ect, it's a never-ending road to failure.