Originally posted by BloodRainFair point.
Hold up comparing it to Cole is ignored but comparing to Zeus is fine?Bullet example doesnt even compare..
Though I'm not comparing the abilities of the characters or how they work in seperate universes, just how lightning attacks tend to work from a game design point of view.
Bullet example does compare. Nepthys is asking me to prove lightning is lightning, so why should a bullet be a bullet?
I think this hilarious spam of "its lightning therefore its as quick as natural lightning by default!" should be reported for trolling or spam. Its not been proven, nor has it been defended much at all yet its spammed across pages in threads.
Nobody is accepting constant spam as evidence so it may as well be "ignored by default". Links damn slow, gets his ass pinned to the floor by Dantes sword. Nothing Link has reacted to would allow him to react to anything above basic speed, which Dante is not, he is far above.
Links strength is moot, as is strength in general because Link cant hit anyone (maybe a human) with said strength. Certainly not Dante.
The daft assumptions and spamming may have been amusing for LoZ supporters for a while but it gets old fast.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Magical lightning shot from the hands that doesn't resemble it, not the same.
And this, magic changes speed of things. Unless the source of the lightning is form the heavens and looks exactly the same as any lightning seen in real life. Its a daft and illogical to claim that just because it looks like lightning ,it automatically has the same stats as irl lightning.
The only reason people are agreeing with Zeus' is because he the embodiment of lightning.
Yes, and as such has canon feats of full speed lightning. Ganondorf has these too. 😐 Gameplay appearance of an attack < Canon abilities.
Bullets in gameplay are slower than real bullets, why should we not use their gameplay speed, and gameplay speed of lightning is fine?
Gameplay mechanic = moot point. :no expression: Zeus uses "ball" lightning in gameplay too, because it looks ****ign stupid for a character to reflect or catch a Z shaped bolt.
'Seperate fiction: Irrelevant.' >: )
Gameplay mechanics not counting only occurs becuase they can't be proven to have actually occured in every play through. Ganon's ball lightning's speed however is fixed and isn't even a mechanic of the gameplay. The developers created it at a certain speed and fixed it as such. End of discusion.
You're assuming CIS where there is none, the gameplay appearance is the ONLY thing you have and it's worth nothing next to the canon fact that Ganondorf uses full speed lightning and for those lightning attacks to be slower assumes Ganon lost on purpose.
Bollocks, CIS is always active in a story. Its never completely gone, becuase the characters are limited to their own inperfections and those of their creators and thus always going to do something wrong, on-screen or not.
But whatever. You're trying to use your opinionated logic against canon now. Against what actually occurs on the screen. It doesn't cut it. It's more likely to be ball-lightning than not. QED. Occums Razor. Thats what it is. Etc.
And it doesn't assume that he loses on purpose. There are an infinate number of reasons why he may not have used it. I've already given you one. Which is enough to make it so that he didn't provably 'lose on purpose'. In fact, maybe he did lose on purpose. Eff it, its more likely that than the creators just really hate physics and logic and want it to die.
"PRove bullets in DMC move bullet speed!" ect, it's a never-ending road to failure.
They're bullets (and thus intrinsically fast) and there isn't anything to suggest that they move slower or faster. Done.
Bullet example does compare. Nepthys is asking me to prove lightning is lightning, so why should a bullet be a bullet?
I'm asking you to prove that its lightning against reasonable doubt ( a number of factors indicate that it isn't). I've gotten over my Nihilistic everything-is-a-lie phase.
Also this:
Bullets from a gun which both resemble their rl counterparts. Magical lightning shot from the hands that doesn't resemble it, not the same.
When did Bloodrain get so smart?
'Seperate fiction: Irrelevant.' >: )I already got called on this. haermm Stfu!
And it doesn't assume that he loses on purpose. There are an infinate number of reasons why he may not have used it. I've already given you one. Which is enough to make it so that he didn't provably 'lose on purpose'. In fact, maybe he did lose on purpose. Eff it, its more likely that than the creators just really hate physics and logic and want it to ide.-.- Except the only POSSIBLE explanation for him intentionally slowing down his own attack that Link reflects is to lose on purpose which he did not do, that is a BAD, BAD ASSUMTION, SIR.
Link reflected the lightning attack, this is canon, in gameplay, it obviously cannot be as fast as real lightning or the player cannot do it. The creators had to make the fight work in gameplay, they brought one of Ganon's canon and well known powers to the table, and made it work in gameplay. Period. They don't "hate physics" the gameplay just doesn't represent the full speed of the attack, as has been shown before. Hell, he uses an attack faster than the gameplay speed of the lightning in a cutscene earlier in OoT.
Occam's razor says: Ganon has full speed lightning, he's attacking with lightning, simplest answer is... ? It's full speed. 😐 You legitimately have nothing but one gameplay mechanic which you cling to ad nauseum, which does not refute that Ganon's lightning has always been at full speed, and means that for your theory to be correct, you need to assume Ganon loses on purpose.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Links strength is < Dante'sAnd this, magic changes speed of things. Unless the source of the lightning is form the heavens and looks exactly the same as any lightning seen in real life. Its a daft and illogical to claim that just because it looks like lightning ,it automatically has the same stats as irl lightning.
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And QFT.
Originally posted by Nephthys
When did Bloodrain get so smart?
Originally posted by BloodRainAganihm says hello.
Dorf has never used anything that looks like rl lightning~Only Ganon has, ie his superior form.
This also requires Ganondorf to actively use magic to weaken his own attack, which I reiterate, is the stupidest thing I have EVER heard.
Also, his beast form is stronger magicly now? Do I have to bring up that both of those forms draw their power from the ToP which he has full access to in either form!? >_< WTHEGOHRJrhojreh
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Link reflected the lightning attack, this is canon, in gameplay, it obviously cannot be as fast as real lightning or the player cannot do it. The creators had to make the fight work in gameplay, they brought one of Ganon's canon and well known powers to the table, and made it work in gameplay. Period. They don't "hate physics" the gameplay just doesn't represent the full speed of the attack, as has been shown before. Hell, he uses an attack faster than the gameplay speed of the lightning in a cutscene earlier in OoT.
Or they could have just doen what they did on the handheld and have Ganon actually have *gasp!* two attacks! One slow energy bolt to be batted back, one lightning spray to be avoided. Easy as pie. Even if thats too much effort, there are ways to show super-speed in games without just saying 'you have it. It doesn't do anything visible or whtevr, but you have it'.
Occam's razor says: Ganon has full speed lightning, he's attacking with lightning, simplest answer is... ? It's full speed. no expression You legitimately have nothing but one gameplay mechanic which you cling to ad nauseum, which does not refute that Ganon's lightning has always been at full speed, and means that for your theory to be correct, you need to assume Ganon loses on purpose.
And you legitimately have nothing but saying 'Naw, CIS? Naw, just naw, not possible.'
And the lightning that he used earlier looks nothing like whats used here anyway. Its completely irrelevent. This is all just like the argument with Zant not teleporting. You just make some assumptions and fanwank up a situation thet makes Link look better. It's really, really boring. 😐
Why would Ganon use his magic to make his own lightning slower? That's ****ing retarded. :no expression:
You don't get to decide canon, no matter how stupid you think it is. And theres a number of possible reasons for him doing it. Mybe his 'actual lightning' is just weaksauce and he figures that he needs something more powerful to kill Link. Etc too tired to think up moar.
This is all just like the argument with Zant not teleporting. You just make some assumptions and fanwank up a situation thet makes Link look better. It's really, really boring.I already ****ing quit, but THIS is just insulting and a persoanl attack. Kindly go shit in your hat. 😐 Thick headed bullshit like claims that Ganon would intentionally **** himself by using magic to make his own attacks worse or that Zant can teleport people BACK IN TIME!!11 are.... Just. ****ing. Stupid.
I retire from debating KMC, good ****ing riddance. 😐
Originally posted by BloodRainAganihm was Ganon's weaker alter ego, he said so himself, his weaker self can do what you believe he cannot.
Aganihm, was a wizard prior and again 'Ganon.'Beast is his original form and superior to Dorf. Because if you think that their magic and strength is the same thered be no point in becoming Ganon 😐
Retired before proving the 100m/s D:
Ganon's beast form is actually a result of the triforce transforming him based on what he's really like or some shit, has been since 1991. This is why his Ganon form is a pig.
Originally posted by NephthysNah, it's cool, I just had a nerd rage moment. Will calm down, but I officially retire from actually debating. This shit cannot be my responsibility, and it amounts to several people banging their heads against one another with no actual progress anyway.
I feel bad now. |: (