Originally posted by KutuluWell there's a first. Obviously thinking Wonder Woman, with her vastly superior speed, flight capabilities, fighting skills and magical weaponry, wins over the relatively one-dimensional Hulk, then one would by default be classified as a DC fanboy - despite reading Marvel, DC and Wildstorm, more Marvel in fact than the others, and liking characters from all the companies.
Gotta love 'dem DC Fanboys. 🙄
You got me. You got me good.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well there's a first. Obviously thinking Wonder Woman, with her vastly superior speed, flight capabilities, fighting skills and magical weaponry, wins over the relatively one-dimensional Hulk, then one would by default be classified as a DC fanboy - despite reading Marvel, DC and Wildstorm, more Marvel in fact than the others, and liking characters from all the companies.You got me. You got me good.
You are basically saying that one DC top tier is above all Marvel top tiers. Because that's what WWH is right now - above top tier. He's a team wrecker. Savage Hulk would lose. Heck any other version of Hulk besides WWH would lose to WW. WWH is a whole other character though, and should be treated as such.
Originally posted by KutuluYeah that's what I'm saying... or perhaps, maybe, just possibly I'm saying with her vastly superior speed, flight capabilities, fighting skills and magical weaponry WW wins over the relatively one-dimensional Hulk.
You are basically saying that one DC top tier is above all Marvel top tiers. Because that's what WWH is right now - above top tier. He's a team wrecker. Savage Hulk would lose. Heck any other version of Hulk besides WWH would lose to WW. WWH is a whole other character though, and should be treated as such.
Above top-tier, curioser and curioser.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yeah that's what I'm saying... or perhaps, maybe, just possibly I'm saying with her vastly superior speed, flight capabilities, fighting skills and magical weaponry WW wins over the relatively one-dimensional Hulk.Above top-tier, curioser and curioser.
Old Hulk was one dimensional. WWH is no longer one dimensional. He studies his opponents before hand, has focused rage which allows him to exponentially increase his strength, durability, and healing factor. He now controls whether he's Hulk or Banner. His fighting skills have increased.
That's why for all intensive purposes it should be regarded as a new character for the purposes of debate. He's above top tier right now. That puts him above Gladiator in strength (whom he's beaten before, and Gladiator can move planets on his own - in the scan that was shown earlier, Wonder Woman, MM, and Superman all had to work together to move Earth - Hulk is stronger than those three combined). It's been stated by Marvel that this is the strongest version of Hulk ever.
His durability is through the roof, so it makes sense that he survived Blackbolt's scream. They even spent a year building up the storyline in Planet Hulk to explain why he would be so amped up. So PIS is out of the question here, you should take his current feats and use that as a basis for his fights. In the x-men fight he KO'd Wolverine for the long haul. That is something no past incarnation of the Hulk has ever done. In the past Blackbolt did wipeout Hulk. This version is just that much stronger.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Old Hulk was one dimensional. WWH is no longer one dimensional. He studies his opponents before hand, has focused rage which allows him to exponentially increase his strength, durability, and healing factor. He now controls whether he's Hulk or Banner. His fighting skills have increased.That's why for all intensive purposes it should be regarded as a new character for the purposes of debate. He's above top tier right now. That puts him above Gladiator in strength (whom he's beaten before, and Gladiator can move planets on his own - in the scan that was shown earlier, Wonder Woman, MM, and Superman all had to work together to move Earth - Hulk is stronger than those three combined). It's been stated by Marvel that this is the strongest version of Hulk ever.
His durability is through the roof, so it makes sense that he survived Blackbolt's scream. They even spent a year building up the storyline in Planet Hulk to explain why he would be so amped up. So PIS is out of the question here, you should take his current feats and use that as a basis for his fights. In the x-men fight he KO'd Wolverine for the long haul. That is something no past incarnation of the Hulk has ever done. In the past Blackbolt did wipeout Hulk. This version is just that much stronger.
exactly what is strength going to do when he can't hit her and when her magical weapons can take about beings vastly superior to the Hulk? And same on you for saying the Hulk is stronger than MM, Supers, and WW combined. That just isn't sound reasoning.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlStength isnt gonna do anything,Diana actually uses all her powers correctly unlike superman,But to say she is stronger isnt sound reasoning either.
exactly what is strength going to do when he can't hit her and when her magical weapons can take about beings vastly superior to the Hulk? And same on you for saying the Hulk is stronger than MM, Supers, and WW combined. That just isn't sound reasoning.
Originally posted by strengthkills
Stength isnt gonna do anything,Diana actually uses all her powers correctly unlike superman,But to say she is stronger isnt sound reasoning either.
She is stronger. And I'd say so far above his base that it would take him a LOOOOOOOOOONG time to get to her lvls. EVen then, He will never be as fast or as skilled. And let's not forget she can heal herself as good as he if she wishes. It's a power she rarely like to use but it is there.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
She is stronger. And I'd say so far above his base that it would take him a LOOOOOOOOOONG time to get to her lvls. EVen then, He will never be as fast or as skilled. And let's not forget she can heal herself as good as he if she wishes. It's a power she rarely like to use but it is there.
She is not stronger. His base WWH strength is above her, and will continue to increase as the fight goes on. Within 30 seconds into the fight he would be ten times stronger than her, then a hundred times stronger within a minute. She had to struggle along with MM, Superman to pull a planet. Hulk has shattered a meteor twice the size of Earth with a less powerful incarnation, and held together a planet from cracking apart while he was depowered in a weakened state in Planet Hulk. Hulk has taken direct blows from Gladiator, and beat him down, Marvel's equivilant to Superman, capable of moving planets on his own. Only SBP has been shown to be able to do that, or a sun-dipped Superman.
WWH's strength is clearly above WW's. His healing factor and durability are such that she cannot subdue him physically using combat maneuvers. Her only hope is her lasso, and it's possible that Hulk could break that, given that he has broken mystical barriers before that were considered unbreakable, such as the crimson bands of Cytorrak cast by Dr. Strange (and that was a weaker than current version). Her lasso will not turn him into Banner, as they are now one and the same and he can switch in between forms at will. The dominant personality is the Hulk, so all the lasso would do would turn him into the Hulk if he was in Banner form.
Originally posted by Kutulu
She is not stronger. His base WWH strength is above her, and will continue to increase as the fight goes on. Within 30 seconds into the fight he would be ten times stronger than her, then a hundred times stronger within a minute. She had to struggle along with MM, Superman to pull a planet. Hulk has shattered a meteor twice the size of Earth with a less powerful incarnation, and held together a planet from cracking apart while he was depowered in a weakened state in Planet Hulk. Hulk has taken direct blows from Gladiator, and beat him down, Marvel's equivilant to Superman, capable of moving planets on his own. Only SBP has been shown to be able to do that, or a sun-dipped Superman.WWH's strength is clearly above WW's. His healing factor and durability are such that she cannot subdue him physically using combat maneuvers. Her only hope is her lasso, and it's possible that Hulk could break that, given that he has broken mystical barriers before that were considered unbreakable, such as the crimson bands of Cytorrak cast by Dr. Strange (and that was a weaker than current version). Her lasso will not turn him into Banner, as they are now one and the same and he can switch in between forms at will. The dominant personality is the Hulk, so all the lasso would do would turn him into the Hulk if he was in Banner form.
Um No. First of all, concentrating on moving a fragile planet slowly against the gravity of the sun is altogether different than holding something together or even destroying something. Superman alone has better strength feats than the Hulk. So for you to say he's stronger is crazy. WW and Superman held up the weight of the concious of eternity. how ever briefly. So it's a safe bet they can do what the hUlk can with strength. And mightier beings have been held by the lasso and not destroyed. Hectate had a measure of ultimate power and couldn't break it or resist it's affects. The Hulk is now a God with A measure of ultimate power? he can break what cannot be broken? And The lasso allows WW to will anyone it touches to do what she says. WW hulk is done here in this fight against WW. Hell I'd say Supergirl can get some wins on Hulk. WW or not. he's a big slow brute with only so many options of attack.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um No. First of all, concentrating on moving a fragile planet slowly against the gravity of the sun is altogether different than holding something together or even destroying something. Superman alone has better strength feats than the Hulk. So for you to say he's stronger is crazy. WW and Superman held up the weight of the concious of eternity. how ever briefly. So it's a safe bet they can do what the hUlk can with strength. And mightier beings have been held by the lasso and not destroyed. Hectate had a measure of ultimate power and couldn't break it or resist it's affects. The Hulk is now a God with A measure of ultimate power? he can break what cannot be broken? And The lasso allows WW to will anyone it touches to do what she says. WW hulk is done here in this fight against WW. Hell I'd say Supergirl can get some wins on Hulk. WW or not. he's a big slow brute with only so many options of attack.
Show me a scan of WW busting a planet twice the size of Earth then. I have yet to see one scan of WW destroying a planet with a physical blow. The burden of proof is now on your hands.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Show me a scan of WW busting a planet twice the size of Earth then. I have yet to see one scan of WW destroying a planet with a physical blow. The burden of proof is now on your hands.
I dont' need to. Doomsday hasn't busted a planet either and i know for damned sure he'd beat the Hulk's ass eight ways to sunday, on Speed alone. Thanos hasn't ever punched a planet either. Not even SBP has Punched a planet twice the size of earth. Would I have to post a scan to prove he can beat WWh as well?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' need to. Doomsday hasn't busted a planet either and i know for damned sure he'd beat the Hulk's ass eight ways to sunday, on Speed alone. Thanos hasn't ever punched a planet either. Not even SBP has Punched a planet twice the size of earth. Would I have to post a scan to prove he can beat WWh as well?
So you cannot back up your claims that WW is stronger. As I thought. Hulk has more consistent and higher end strength feats than Wonder Woman. End of story. It's true that she is much faster, I will give you that. It's also true that Hulk has a long history of handling opponents who were much faster.
Wonder Woman being stronger? Means dick.
She could have the strength of the average four year old girl and still win here.
Speed.
Flight.
Skill.
Magical Weapons.
Wonder Woman wins even if you took away her durability and strength.
But, since we didn't let us point out that no matter HOW durable the Hulk becomes - he'll NEVER be quite as durable as Diana is capable of being.
Aegis for the win.
Originally posted by Kutulu
So you cannot back up your claims that WW is stronger. As I thought. Hulk has more consistent and higher end strength feats than Wonder Woman. End of story. It's true that she is much faster, I will give you that. It's also true that Hulk has a long history of handling opponents who were much faster.
Indeed I said her base strength is much higher than his. And to date, WW's highest strength feat would be living thru a battle with a sun amped Superman. Would the Hulk have the same luck? And get in some good shots too? probably NOT.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Indeed I said her base strength is much higher than his. And to date, WW's highest strength feat would be living thru a battle with a sun amped Superman. Would the Hulk have the same luck? And get in some good shots too? probably NOT.
Don't be foolish. World War Hulk could take a sundipped Superman, Darkseid, and Thanos all at the same time.
🙄.
Examples of Hulk being stronger than the force to move a planet:
Moving through Vector's TK force which has moved worlds:
http://img235.echo.cx/img235/1217/vector20pk.jpg
Battling Drax (who was recreated to have the same baseline strength of Thanos, who was far above class 100), Drax has the power gem, to a standstill:
http://img41.exs.cx/img41/517/drax1a2uf.jpg
http://img41.exs.cx/img41/8281/drax1e9do.jpg
The Hulk is the equivilant to an power infinity gem. He has tons of feats that put him above planet moving strength. He literally has no upper cap on his strength. He can literally get strong enough to destroy a pocket dimension. That has been said many times, only the difference is now he has a reason to stay at that level of strength. They built that up through plot.
Beats down Thor in three punches (who has strength feats that put him on par with Superman):
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/608/thorih2001a2so.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4041/thorih2001b5ku.jpg
Smashes apart High Evolutionary:
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/3331/evolutionary29fu.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/3531/evolutionary39yq.jpg
A weakened Hulk holds together a planet from splitting apart, and this is Hulk not as enraged or as strong as he is in WWH:
http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph10204zw4.jpg
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph10202xa4.jpg
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph10203fv1.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph10204zw4.jpg
Originally posted by Kutulu
Examples of Hulk being stronger than the force to move a planet:Moving through Vector's TK force which has moved worlds:
http://img235.echo.cx/img235/1217/vector20pk.jpgBattling Drax (who was recreated to have the same baseline strength of Thanos, who was far above class 100), Drax [b]has the power gem
, to a standstill:
http://img41.exs.cx/img41/517/drax1a2uf.jpg
http://img41.exs.cx/img41/8281/drax1e9do.jpgThe Hulk is the equivilant to an power infinity gem. He has tons of feats that put him above planet moving strength. He literally has no upper cap on his strength. He can literally get strong enough to destroy a pocket dimension. That has been said many times, only the difference is now he has a reason to stay at that level of strength. They built that up through plot.
Beats down Thor in three punches (who has strength feats that put him on par with Superman):
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/608/thorih2001a2so.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4041/thorih2001b5ku.jpgSmashes apart High Evolutionary:
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/3331/evolutionary29fu.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/3531/evolutionary39yq.jpgA weakened Hulk holds together a planet from splitting apart, and this is Hulk not as enraged or as strong as he is in WWH:
http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph10204zw4.jpg
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph10202xa4.jpg
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph10203fv1.jpg
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Wonder Woman being stronger? Means dick.She could have the strength of the average four year old girl and still win here.
Speed.
Flight.
Skill.
Magical Weapons.
Wonder Woman wins even if you took away her durability and strength.
But, since we didn't let us point out that no matter HOW durable the Hulk becomes - he'll NEVER be quite as durable as Diana is capable of being.
Aegis for the win.
HUC IZ TEH STRONGERST!
But, in this case, it doesn't matter. What's the point of showcasing strength feats when strength won't win this match?
Originally posted by Soljer
HUC IZ TEH STRONGERST!But, in this case, it doesn't matter. What's the point of showcasing strength feats when strength won't win this match?
Because a certain member here said that WW was stronger, and more durable, which is obviously false.
She is faster and more skilled, that I agree with.
