Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- Surfer can do countless things with telepathy
- Thor can absorb his lifeforce
- Sufer/Hal rearrange his molecular structureThere are far more ways to attack someone than simply "lolol blast him!!!"
- u don't know if it would even work on him
- where is this lifeforce sucking when he is getting his ass kick by the super skrull..but hey..if u think it'll work..fine by me..
- Manhattan can do that too
don't get me wrong..i'm not saying manhattan win here 😐
Originally posted by Slaanesh
- u don't know if it would even work on him
- where is this lifeforce sucking when he is getting his ass kick by the super skrull..but hey..if u think it'll work..fine by me..
- Manhattan can do that toodon't get me wrong..i'm not saying manhattan win here 😐
- But we know that he has feelings and a mind, hence no reason to assume that it doesn't work. Unless he has proven resistance to telepathy (which he hasn't) then it's a viable tactic.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
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Originally posted by Kris Blaze
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Who's getting owned, SON?
- Only, there aren't any incidents of him using them offensively on someone, except making regular human beings explode.
Originally posted by Kris Blazenice contradiction in the same sentence...it's like me saying, gee thor hasn't ever used godblast, except for that time against galactus, and juggernaut...
- Only, there aren't any incidents of him using them offensively on someone, except making regular human beings explode.
manhattan's able to disassemble things on a molecular level on the fly...including living beings, machinery (tank and various tech stuff), elements
and based on that same foolproof logic you employed regarding manhattan's lack of immunity against telepathy (even though his consciousness has been shown to be clearly on a level onto itself and it would be reasonable to even wonder if telepathy would have any effect) then since Superman, Thor, Hal and Surfer have never shown an immunity to being blown apart on the elemental level by a matter transmuter on the level of Manhattan, they are therefore susceptible
Originally posted by Starscream M
nice contradiction in the same sentence...it's like me saying, gee thor hasn't ever used godblast, except for that time against galactus, and juggernaut...manhattan's able to disassemble things on a molecular level on the fly...including living beings, machinery (tank and various tech stuff), elements
and based on that same foolproof logic you employed regarding manhattan's lack of immunity against telepathy (even though his consciousness has been shown to be clearly on a level onto itself and it would be reasonable to even wonder if telepathy would have any effect) then since Superman, Thor, Hal and Surfer have never shown an immunity to being blown apart on the elemental level by a matter transmuter on the level of Manhattan, they are therefore susceptible
What? Are u even serious?
Surfer has reassembled himself from pieces. Plus he is a FAR FAR FAR higher level matter manipulator than manhattan. Do u think that dissasembling a human being and dissasembling a being with ultra high durability as well as far superior molecular control are the same thing? The same goes for thor who has ultra high durability/ high level resistance to molecular control and molecular control as well. show me an example of manhattan affecting any being of this level or any feat of his which makes u believe he can affect beings of this level.
Manhattan gets devolved/dissasembled/disintegrated/absorbed by either surfer or thor.
Sooooo this is basically Martian Manhunter versus The 4 Horsemen of comics?!?!?!? First of all lets just leave the Surfer out of this cause he is CLEARLY on another level here..Any thing DM can do, Surfer can undo with ease "You cannot comprehend the Power I wield!" - Surfer in Annihilation. Just like Frommd said, He's a big fish in a small pond. You step in the ring with these boyz you better be sub-skyfather at the very least...
Originally posted by Naija boyCo-signed!!
What? Are u even serious?Surfer has reassembled himself from pieces. Plus he is a FAR FAR FAR higher level matter manipulator than manhattan. Do u think that dissasembling a human being and dissasembling a being with ultra high durability as well as far superior molecular control are the same thing? The same goes for thor who has ultra high durability/ high level resistance to molecular control and molecular control as well. show me an example of manhattan affecting any being of this level or any feat of his which makes u believe he can affect beings of this level.
Manhattan gets devolved/dissasembled/disintegrated/absorbed by either surfer or thor.
What Starscream fails to realize is the fact that he HAD to reform from an attack that these dudes would prolly barely even feel. You put Anyone of this team in the "Watchman" world and they would own. Why?!??!!?!? BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING ON EARTH THAT CAN DESTROY THEM!!!!!
Originally posted by Naija boy
What? Are u even serious?Surfer has reassembled himself from pieces. Plus he is a FAR FAR FAR higher level matter manipulator than manhattan. Do u think that dissasembling a human being and dissasembling a being with ultra high durability as well as far superior molecular control are the same thing? The same goes for thor who has ultra high durability/ high level resistance to molecular control and molecular control as well. show me an example of manhattan affecting any being of this level or any feat of his which makes u believe he can affect beings of this level.
atoms are atoms. the atoms that make up a human are the same atoms that make up steel or diamonds. being able to effect the bonding at the atomic level removes any effect durability has.
Manhattan could just as easily disassemble a tank as he could human flesh. His power effects you on the atomic level, it doesn't matter how durable you are. He is breaking down the bonds holding your atoms, he isn't physically attacking you...therefore durability doesn't influence his attack. Transmuting a piece of steel is no easier or harder than transmuting flesh, even though steel is alot more durable.
remember what the comedian said to manhattan when he shot the preggo: you could've turned my bullet to dust before it hit or something like that
Originally posted by Hitman911so you think superman, thor, hal or surfer would barely feel being completely diassembled on the molecular level? that their consciousness could even survive being outside of their bodies...unless somehow you thought that was just electricity he got blasted with, lulz.
What Starscream fails to realize is the fact that he HAD to reform from an attack that these dudes would prolly barely even feel.
Originally posted by Starscream MUUUUmmmm Wrong!!! You see there a little thing in comics call durability and molecular control. When you think of Apoc, Thanos, Surfer, Jonn, these aren't the guys that get turned into a teddy bear by every so-called trans-muter. These dudes have TOTAL CONTROL over their own atoms. No i admit to not knowing alot about DM but does he have any planetary-level feats. Just wondering? 🙂
atoms are atoms. the atoms that make up a human are the same atoms that make up steel or diamonds. being able to effect the bonding at the atomic level removes any effect durability has.Manhattan could just as easily disassemble a tank as he could human flesh. His power effects you on the atomic level, it doesn't matter how durable you are. He is breaking down the bonds holding your atoms, he isn't physically attacking you...therefore durability doesn't influence his attack. Transmuting a piece of steel is no easier or harder than transmuting flesh, even though steel is alot more durable.
Originally posted by Starscream M
nice contradiction in the same sentence...it's like me saying, gee thor hasn't ever used godblast, except for that time against galactus, and juggernaut...manhattan's able to disassemble things on a molecular level on the fly...including living beings, machinery (tank and various tech stuff), elements
and based on that same foolproof logic you employed regarding manhattan's lack of immunity against telepathy (even though his consciousness has been shown to be clearly on a level onto itself and it would be reasonable to even wonder if telepathy would have any effect) then since Superman, Thor, Hal and Surfer have never shown an immunity to being blown apart on the elemental level by a matter transmuter on the level of Manhattan, they are therefore susceptible
Not entirely sure why I would debate with a dumbsh|t who hasn't read any comics, but I guess I can pick apart that pathetic argument.
- Offensive molecular manipulation often involve things a bit more complex than making your target go boom. Such as transmuting their skin, biological features or what the Surfer did to Cable, turn off the genome that grants him his superhuman powers.
- Dr.Manhattan hasn't shown a resistance to telepathy, end.
- Superman in particular has multiple times shown resistance to matter manipulation, the same with Thor and Surfer. I can't make any claims on Hal's behalf, except that he's got shields to absorb the most.
- There's also the matter of 4 AGAINST 1, where all 4 have displayed vastly superior reaction time, combat and movement speed.
Originally posted by Hitman911apart from Surfer, who I do believe is a threat to manhattan, how is bringing up apoc, thanos or jonn relevant to a thread that doesn't include them?
UUUUmmmm Wrong!!! You see there a little thing in comics call durability and molecular control. When you think of Apoc, Thanos, Surfer, Jonn, these aren't the guys that get turned into a teddy bear by every so-called trans-muter. These dudes have TOTAL CONTROL over their own atoms. No i admit to not knowing alot about DM but does he have any planetary-level feats. Just wondering? 🙂
Originally posted by Starscream M
so you think superman, thor, hal or surfer would barely feel being completely diassembled on the molecular level? that their consciousness could even survive being outside of their bodies...unless somehow you thought that was just electricity he got blasted with, lulz.
Thor has issue 1 lol. He had no body just wondering in the void and pulled himself back to life and a body. Manhattan is no more the an energy being. power cosmic could counter it hald could use his ring to hold himself together.
The Odinpower has done alot better then the Dr.
Superman will have some major problems probelms
Another problem with Dr. Manhattan is, exactly what experience does he have against anyone besides humans?
He has never seen anything anywhere near the level of Surfer.
We also haven't seen any real speed feats other than teleportation which we know Surfer can handle.
I really don't think Manhattan has the metal to take Surfer.
Not an easy win for the team. Manhattan can make multiple versions of himself, grow them to any size he wants (see his giant forms taking out Vietnam or confronting Ozymandias), and can use his pre-cog sense to predict what any of them are going to do. There doesn't seem to be limits to how powerful he can make himself.
Of the team, Hal Jordan would be the first to fall. Silver Surfer would be the trickiest opponent, but none are able to solo him.
Originally posted by nimbus006I definitely see surfer as a threat
Another problem with Dr. Manhattan is, exactly what experience does he have against anyone besides humans?He has never seen anything anywhere near the level of Surfer.
We also haven't seen any real speed feats other than teleportation which we know Surfer can handle.
I really don't think Manhattan has the metal to take Surfer.
like you said, manhattan doesn't have any speed feats...although he can see events in the future as how they'll arise (remember how he knew exactly the girl was gonna leave crying)
