Except you're both wrong. There could only ever be a case made for the idea that the passage was indirectly voicing Bane if Bane was in a position to know what was being said. Which he wasn't. Kas'im's Jar'kai had completely taken him off guard; it's pretty evident that Bane wouldn't have been intimately aware of the rate or scale at which Kas'im mastered the weapon. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever, that the bit about Kas'im having mastered and spent decades perfecting all seven forms (which was in direct relation to Kas'im bringing out his dual sabers) was coming indirectly from Bane.
No, we're not. The statement is not coming from an omniscient narrator, hence the qualifier "maybe." It's coming from Bane's perspective.
You're done, Nebaris. When I get back to my father's house and can crack open a copy of LoE, I'll check for the confirmation of Grievous knowing all seven forms of combat. According to Wookieepedia, the claim is made within that book.
Originally posted by Gideon
No, we're not.
Yes, you both are (Lightsnake especially).
The statement is not coming from an omniscient narrator, hence the qualifier "maybe."
Well now you're taking the entire concept behind the omniscient narrator a little too literally. The omniscient narrator was never intended to literally be, absolutely omniscient, and to behave in such a way and display as much down to the very phrasing and language used. The omniscient narrator is so named for the purpose that the reader take everything that is directly said by him completely factually, with the basis being that he is all-knowing with respect to the story he is writing and that everything he says is completely unquestionable.
In this case, the message that the omniscient narrator is presenting to the reader is that it was a possibility that Kas'im was in fact the greatest swordsman that had ever lived. The "maybe" does nothing to suggest that the passage is coming from one of the characters because the omniscient narrator quite simply isn't necessarily supposed to spell everything out in a definitive manner.
It's coming from Bane's perspective.
I've quite clearly established how that is not the case. That Kas'im even practised in Jar'kai was a complete shock to Bane; it completely caught him off guard and as such it's clear that he didn't possess any knowledge relating to it whatsoever, from the exact scope of what Kas'im had mastered to how long it had taken him to do so. As such, it would make absolutely *zero* sense for the passage to have been coming indirectly from Bane.
You're done, Nebaris. When I get back to my father's house and can crack open a copy of LoE, I'll check for the confirmation of Grievous knowing all seven forms of combat. According to Wookieepedia, the claim is made within that book.
I can promise you that Wookiepedia is wrong in this case. It's said about the Magnaguards (who received completely different training to Grievous, including their own droid programming), not Grievous.
Originally posted by Allankles
Why are people acting like Kasim was the first weaponsmaster in Jedi/Sith history? Cin Drallig. Anoon Bondara were all well respected weaponmasters, Dooku himself was an exceptional weaponsmaster only Yoda and Mace being able to match his swordsmanship.
I believe Dooku was only a master in Makashi but i'll concede there have been other weaponmaster's. I just think people look at Kas'im so reverantly as he's involved with Bane and the new Bane-Fanboy craze.
That and he's possibly the best swordsman in history.
Originally posted by Allankles
Why are people acting like Kasim was the first weaponsmaster in Jedi/Sith history? Cin Drallig. Anoon Bondara were all well respected weaponmasters, Dooku himself was an exceptional weaponsmaster only Yoda and Mace being able to match his swordsmanship.
Being an exceptional weapons master isn't the measure of ability we're using for Kas'im, it's the sheer scale of what he had actually mastered, which by all available evidence is completely unparalleled.
Originally posted by Balmung
Being an exceptional weapons master isn't the measure of ability we're using for Kas'im, it's the sheer scale of what he had actually mastered, which by all available evidence is completely unparalleled.
He mastered all seven traditional forms. Plus Jar-Kai and the use of a Double-bladed Lightsaber. I can't think of anyone coming close to that.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Windu beat Sidious in saber combat fair and square. His combination of Shatterpoint, Vapaad and a fancy purple lightsaber will give Kas'im a very tough fight and possibly a ticket to hell.
Pah the only thing that would give Kas'im trouble is the lightsaber, I find purple such an offputting colour. Though I concede Kas'im is at a disadvantage as he's never seen Shatterpoint ot Vapaad before.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Windu beat Sidious in saber combat fair and square. His combination of Shatterpoint, Vapaad and a fancy purple lightsaber will give Kas'im a very tough fight and possibly a ticket to hell.
Vaapad won't do anything for Windu because Kas'im doesn't have the Force strength to give the superconducting loop any traction. The only thing that might give Kas'im the slightest pause before beating Windu like the red headed stepchild that he is is that he hasn't ever seen Vapaad's physical execution before; he doesn't know its combos. His sheer mastery over the weapon will more than compensate for this however. Kas'im tools Mace six ways from Sunday.
Huh. What do you know? I'm a bigger Kas'im fanboy than Windu fanboy. That's good information to have.
Originally posted by mattatom
Forgot about Vapaads execution and workings.Since Kas'im only has enough force to absorb a "Last desperate push from Bane" until getting squashed by a temple. Then if Mace can break Kas'im's shield (Doubt it) Could just push him out a window.
Only? That push totaled the temple on Lehon. Do you think Mace could do that? (The answer is 'no'.)