Mjolnir vs. Admantium

Originally posted by Ouallada
He doesn't need to show the scan. Didn't you get the memo? Anything from Asgard >>> Marvel Earth.

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damn you're right. it WOULD be redundant. and besides, maybe he's right. 😬

afterall, now that i think about it, i don't think i've ever seen volstagg's drinking mug broken.

volstagg's drinking mug>>>>>>>>>adamantium!!!@!!1!!

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Originally posted by leonidas
damn you're right. it WOULD be redundant. and besides, maybe he's right. 😬

afterall, now that i think about it, i don't think i've ever seen volstagg's drinking mug broken.

volstagg's drinking mug>>>>>>>>>adamantium!!!@!!1!!

He doesn't need to show the scan. Didn't you get the memo? Anything from Asgard >>> Marvel Earth.

sheesh u think cuz theres 2 of u sayin same thing thats gonna prove u rite? i know im rite, u go ahead bring in more, bring in ARMY @ yur side, ima take u ALL cmon bring it on i dont need no 1 ive got truth on my side the truth & force r with me haha! 💃

Thor hitting Exitar is counted as a feat because Exitar's dome is thick. As spastic as that sounds, you then need to prove that the adamantium block Thor hit is as thick or thicker than Mjolnir, or by your logic, it does not count as a "collision". Ultron's armour is thinner than Mjolnir, yet Thor could not crack it. What does it say about adamantium then?

For a forcefield to protect, what is its pre-requisite? That's right. Solidity.

Nope. If I say that adamantium has never been sundered by non-cosmic forces, I mean exactly that. No magic. No flying sea otters.

Read properly. Plenty of other similar definitions exist.

I quoted Encarta, Cambridge and various other respected lexicons. They are obviously not my own definitions. The re-definition of "collision", on the other hand, is all your own doing, though.[/quot€]yup n all them defs aloud for diffrent type o damage
[quote]Dents count as damage, but my statement is still "Adamantium has never been physically sundered by non-cosmic forces, and has never taken the same extents of damage as Mjolnir has from non-cosmic forces." You remain unable to disprove it whatsoever.

Adamantium has never been up against Perrikus nor the frost giants, but adamantium has plenty of control situations against Hulk and Thor, with the latter failing to damage Ultron once.

Not once. Go ahead and try to prove that adamantium would not survive contact with the giants' hammers or would be cleaved by Perrikus.

Sure, Mjolnir has survived in a sun. Funny how you emphasise that while forgetting the Pittsburgh furnace while emphasising the one time Thor has dented adamantium as compared to the many other times he did not.

What I don't take to be worthwhile counts little.

Not enough. 1) Newton's third law rarely applies, 2) no limits fallacy, 3) Sentry does not have the power of a million exploding suns.

Precisely. Perrikus cannot be taken to be PIS, even though whether the scythe can do the same to adamantium is doubtful (ABC logic).

Due to the abundance of Ultron's feats against Thor, it is very arguable that Thor's feat against the block was PIS instead, even though I will not lower myself to argue using that right now.

As usual, a painful inability to use the English language.

From me:

Your inane reply:

Neither Thor nor Hulk is expected to consistently repeat their feat, but Hulk's was superior.

o yeah and

Originally posted by leonidas
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why would i accept it if it's NOT thor's hammer? it has no meaning in the thread since we ARE talking about thor's hammer. i don't really care if the destroyer armor is harder than adamantium.

so u accept dat destroyer armor is harder then? 😉 (jus so no misunderstandin)

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sure, it likely is harder. if was granted a small portion of the power of SEVERAL skyfathers. now you're going to say "but the hammer broke the armor so the hammer must be harder!!11!1!!"

and of course it does NOT mean that. not in the least, but you'll never accept that so, really, what does it matter.

keep your opinion. no one will ever change it. this hasn't been a debate because no matter what anyone says there is no chance at all that you will ever change your opinion. that's not debate, that's fanboyism. the whole notion of a debate with you is pointless and always will be. 🙂

Adamantium is harder. We just can't compare becauseThor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wolverine or any1 with adamantium in strength.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's not debate, that's fanboyism.

Originally posted by leonidas
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sure, it likely is harder. if was granted a small portion of the power of SEVERAL skyfathers. now you're going to say "but the hammer broke the armor so the hammer must be harder!!11!1!!"

heres my point: asgardians CAN make things harder then adamatium (wich u guyz been deny all along: u wuz basicaly sayin that adamatium is harder then anythin asgard coud ever make with there magic) so @ least now u admit it 😎 😎

an heres 2nd point: if they can do it with other things like the armor THEN WHY THE HEL WOUDNT THEY DO IT WITH THORS HAMMER ALSO huh? what make u think they delibratly put weaker magic on Thors hammer instead o better magic? cmon gimme 1 reason ima listen 😉

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

NOTHIN it say that this Thor wuz WEAK 😂

So the Thor that has a good feat is accepted, but the Thor that does not is weak? Laughable.

A material still does not need to be harder to damage another on impact.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
duh how dyou "break" forcefeild?

You were the one who said that Superman didn't count because he had a forcefield. If WW, who is less durable that Superman, does not injure the bones in her hand every time she hit Superman's bio-forcefield, it shows the lack of Newton's third law in comics.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
cept that it took of small dent it didnt break cylionder in 2 (like karate guy he can break a metal bar in 2 but u think he coud dent teh metal? lol)
btw what dyou call cosmic?🤨 skyfather? ima say hammers never been sunder by non-cosmic either plus it has resist cosmic force without even dent so there (^ the galaxy bustin bomb)

Yes, the adamantium was never broken into pieces. Unlike Mjolnir. That was the point.

"Cosmic" is just an umbrella term.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yur pal say so himself theres mor then 1 type o durablity

Yup, but all involve, you know, damage or wear and tear. Just concede the point. Just like you inevitably conceded the other argument on semantics which you started.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
an sos mine "adamatiums been broken by waaay less then non-cosmic force and mjolnirs resist cosmic force" 💃

As mentioned, "cosmic" is just an umbrella term. Adamantium has never suffered non-manipulation damage outside of dents from Thor/Hulk. If you like, using Cap's shield as a rough gauge, the lowest entity to damage it was OF Thor (and even that was only a dent). The lowest entity to sunder the shield was Thanos/IG. Adamantium may be lower on the scale than Cap's shield, but you get the drift.

"Adamantium has never been physically sundered by non-cosmic forces, and has never taken the same extents of damage as Mjolnir has from non-cosmic forces." You remain unable to disprove it whatsoever.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
not same as perikus w his magic sword even yur freind admit dat
nope u prove it can resist like isaid theres no whats that a yeah "control sitution"

Not the same, but enough to show that Thor/Hulk were the exceptions, not the norm. The Perrikus incident cannot be reliably counted as PIS. If you are trying to say that Perrikus would have cleaved adamantium as well, the burden of proof is on you. As it goes, Mjolnir has more situations in which is has been sundered than adamantium has even been dented.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
hey you ignore adamatium worst feats but u keep best feat ima do same w mjolnir k? 😄

Did I ever ignore Hulk's denting of Ultron? I'm simply saying that if you selectively ignore Mjolnir's damage, two can play at that game.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
u guys been usin dat falacy al along lol

You have already been unable to show where I used the no limits fallacy and apologised for it. Stop wasting time.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nope if thor can dent caps sheild with magic hammer (non cut) imagine wut dark god with better magic SWORD (it cuts) coud do 2 somethin less then caps sheild

Odinforce.

Prove that Perrikus could do the same against adamantium.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
sure but Busieks dead now right? (or no longer work 4 marvel anyway) so maybe were gonna hav som good writin 😄

Sure, but in the meantime, the point about Ultron and PIS stands.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
theres nothin "insane" your the one whose insane 2 expect CONSISTENCE! in COMICS! wahahahahahaha rofl [/B]

When there is no basis for consistency, that's where PIS may step in.

In any case, since you were going on and on about Hercules' mace and Mjolnir being equals, I'm curious. What do you think about Mjolnir and Stormbreaker being equals?

Yo.

Originally posted by Ouallada
As mentioned, "cosmic" is just an umbrella term. Adamantium has never suffered non-manipulation damage outside of dents from Thor/Hulk. If you like, using Cap's shield as a rough gauge, the lowest entity to damage it was OF Thor (and even that was only a dent). The lowest entity to sunder the shield was Thanos/IG. Adamantium may be lower on the scale than Cap's shield, but you get the drift.

"Adamantium has never been physically sundered by non-cosmic forces, and has never taken the same extents of damage as Mjolnir has from non-cosmic forces." You remain unable to disprove it whatsoever.

if we're gonna be technical, we HAVE seen a non-cosmic "sunder" adamantium: in the Magik -mini we saw the demon Sym (who's nowhere near Mephisto in power, but prolly closer to Thing) break off a claw from Logans skeleton to use it as a toothpick.

Tazer

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
lheres my point: [b]asgardians CAN make things harder then adamatium (wich u guyz been deny all along: u wuz basicaly sayin that adamatium is harder then anythin asgard coud ever make with there magic) so @ least now u admit it 😎 😎

an heres 2nd point: if they can do it with other things like the armor THEN WHY THE HEL WOUDNT THEY DO IT WITH THORS HAMMER ALSO huh? what make u think they delibratly put weaker magic on Thors hammer instead o better magic? cmon gimme 1 reason ima listen 😉 [/B]

gawd . . . just when i think it is impossible for you to get even more ridiculous you dig a new sub-level to the basement . . .

the armor is as hard as it is (read carefully . . .) BECAUSE IT WAS GRANTED POWER BY A SERIES OF SKYFATHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you understand what that means? NOT just asgardians, ALL PANTHEONS! so, how did the "asgardians" make it harder again . . .??

and do you know WHY they worked together (when they almost never do because they don't much care for each other very much . . .) because they wanted a weapon to use against the celestials.

so why didn't they ALL use their power on thor's hammer?? because the other gods don't give a rat's arse about thor or odin! so yes, WEAKER magic was "put" on thor's hammer.

and stop putting words in my mouth--i never said asgard can't produce metal as hard as earth. you're comprehension REALLY is not very good. i said uru isn't as hard as adamantium (proven multiple times over) and based on feats adamantium>mjollnir since it has NEVER been shattered and broken like mjollnir has. could odin use his magic to reinforce the hammer (or probably ANY metal) and make it more durable than adamantium? sure. why? BECAUSE HE'S A FRICKIN' SKYFATHER!

all of course pointless because it is NOT on topic.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

if we're gonna be technical, we HAVE seen a non-cosmic "sunder" adamantium: in the Magik -mini we saw the demon Sym (who's nowhere near Mephisto in power, but prolly closer to Thing) break off a claw from Logans skeleton to use it as a toothpick.

Tazer

Unless I am very much mistaken, alternate reality Wolverine. Gladiator has done the same in a couple of possible future realities too.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

if we're gonna be technical, we HAVE seen a non-cosmic "sunder" adamantium: in the Magik -mini we saw the demon Sym (who's nowhere near Mephisto in power, but prolly closer to Thing) break off a claw from Logans skeleton to use it as a toothpick.

Tazer

i think that issue isn't so clear cut. logan never died in limbo, which makes that a bit of a continuity problem. wasn't it a POSSIBLE outcome or something like that?

Originally posted by Tazer
if we're gonna be technical, we HAVE seen a non-cosmic "sunder" adamantium: in the Magik -mini we saw the demon Sym (who's nowhere near Mephisto in power, but prolly closer to Thing) break off a claw from Logans skeleton to use it as a toothpick.

Tazer

Originally posted by leonidas
i think that issue isn't so clear cut. logan never died in limbo, which makes that a bit of a continuity problem. wasn't it a POSSIBLE outcome or something like that?

So the Thor that has a good feat is accepted, but the Thor that does not is weak? Laughable.

You were the one who said that Superman didn't count because he had a forcefield. If WW, who is less durable that Superman,

Yup, but all involve, you know, damage or wear and tear. Just concede the point. Just like you inevitably conceded the other argument on semantics which you started.

The lowest entity to sunder the shield was Thanos/IG.

"Adamantium has never been physically sundered by non-cosmic forces, and has never taken the same extents of damage as Mjolnir has from non-cosmic forces." You remain unable to disprove it whatsoever.

Not the same, but enough to show that Thor/Hulk were the exceptions, not the norm. The Perrikus incident cannot be reliably counted as PIS. If you are trying to say that Perrikus would have cleaved adamantium as well, the burden of proof is on you. As it goes, Mjolnir has more situations in which is has been sundered than adamantium has even been dented.

You have already been unable to show where I used the no limits fallacy and apologised for it. Stop wasting time.

Odinforce.

Prove that Perrikus could do the same against adamantium.

When there is no basis for consistency, that's where PIS may step in.

In any case, since you were going on and on about Hercules' mace and Mjolnir being equals, I'm curious. What do you think about Mjolnir and Stormbreaker being equals?

Originally posted by leonidas
gawd . . . just when i think it is impossible for you to get even more ridiculous you dig a new sub-level to the basement . . .

the armor is as hard as it is (read carefully . . .) BECAUSE IT WAS GRANTED POWER BY A SERIES OF SKYFATHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you understand what that means? NOT just asgardians, ALL PANTHEONS! so, how did the "asgardians" make it harder again . . .??

and do you know WHY they worked together (when they almost never do because they don't much care for each other very much . . .) because they wanted a weapon to use against the celestials.

so why didn't they ALL use their power on thor's hammer?? because the other gods don't give a rat's arse about thor or odin! so yes, WEAKER magic was "put" on thor's hammer.

(how dyou delete post?)

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
dint kno dat thx 😎 wut issue?

Quest for Magik mini. It definitely isn't in continuity.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
hey jus doin same as u

Obviously not. In any case, I'm afraid that as long as we are debating about Thor's entire continuity, we take the high with the low.

Harder materials can stil be damaged by softer materials.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
thats stil debatabel

Hulk's bones are less durable than SS' cosmic glaze. Hulk can still hit SS without damaging his own bones. Oh, and Superman IS more durable than WW. No Newton's third law still.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
inc dentin & crackin & liquefyin so u go first 😛

Denting and cracking are included. Magneto's molecular control is not, because it doesn't involve a physical or energy based event that forcibly warps the object's exterior makeup. A simple look around the boards will show that durability is classified as outside of matter manipulation, with the latter stated separately.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
um he use POWER GEM only

1) He still has the IG, 2) debateable, 3) Thanos is the best wielder of the gems -- being sundered by infinite power isn't a big surprise.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
"hammers never been sunder by non-cosmic either plus it has resist cosmic force without even dent so there" (thx MS 4 copy-paste) so u remin unbale 2 disporve it whatever to 😛

A certain blast furnace in Pittsburgh, among other incidents, says that you are incorrect.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but then its back 2 u know, NO CONTROL SITUTION 😄

Control situations exist for Ultron against Hulk and Thor. Not for Perrikus. Thus, I can reliably call for Thor denting adamantium to be a feat that is highly unlikely to be repeated consistently. On the other hand, you have no way to show that Perrikus can cleave adamantium.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yup u said adamtiums never been sunder by non-cosmic therefor it can be

Dented. Not sundered.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah Thor hit strogner that dont make the hammer harder (been there btw ^)

No Newton's third law in comics for the vast majority of the time, as I have already stated.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
if hulk can crack it with fists imagine wut dat big black magic axe coud do. sure your not gonna accept dat so ima say "no conrtol situation" ^^
yeah same here when i mention it so there!

You have no idea what a control situation is, do you?

I don't know what the scythe could have done to adamantium. Why don't you prove it?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
u mean BRBs hammer? i dunno iirc it was never compare but maybe there equal IF theyve same mojo on em

It was stated on panel to be every bit the equal of Mjolnir. Guess what? Stormbreaker, the exact equal of Mjolnir, was separated into two pieces by the Skrulls. Clock up another instance of damage for the hammers.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Quest for Magik mini. It definitely isn't in continuity.

Harder materials can stil be damaged by softer materials.

Hulk's bones are less durable than SS' cosmic glaze. Hulk can still hit SS without damaging his own bones. Oh, and Superman IS more durable than WW. No Newton's third law still.

Denting and cracking are included. Magneto's molecular control is not, because it doesn't involve a physical or energy based event that forcibly warps the object's exterior makeup. A simple look around the boards will show that durability is classified as outside of matter manipulation, with the latter stated separately.

1) He still has the IG, 2) debateable, 3) Thanos is the best wielder of the gems -- being sundered by infinite power isn't a big surprise.

A certain blast furnace in Pittsburgh, among other incidents, says that you are incorrect.

Control situations exist for Ultron against Hulk and Thor. Not for Perrikus. Thus, I can reliably call for Thor denting adamantium to be a feat that is highly unlikely to be repeated consistently. On the other hand, you have no way to show that Perrikus can cleave adamantium.

Dented. Not sundered.

You have no idea what a control situation is, do you?
I don't know what the scythe could have done to adamantium. Why don't you prove it?

It was stated on panel to be every bit the equal of Mjolnir. Guess what? Stormbreaker, the exact equal of Mjolnir, was separated into two pieces by the Skrulls. Clock up another instance of damage for the hammers.

btw u still ignor the part about destroyer armor (tho im sure u read it) 😛

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
uh armor wuz enchant by Odin only (just like mjolnir i got scan 4 both if u want) so get ur fact strait k d00d? 🙄

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Long ago, the alien race of beings called the Celestials conducted genetic experiments on humanity of the planet Earth. The gods that looked after the Earth knew that with the Celestials eventual return, there would be a judgment that would seal the planet’s fate. If humanity was deemed unworthy of life, by the unknown standards of this mysterious race, Earth would be destroyed. The Destroyer was created, by the command of Odin, as a weapon to use against the mighty Celestials. The task was taken on by the finest craftsmen of Asgard, and once finished Odin, Zeus, and all other leading Earth gods transferred a portion of their power into the construct which gave it superhuman strength and energy manipulating powers. Odin then had the Destroyer sealed within a temple within a plateau hoping it would be out of reach of any who would use its tremendous powers for evil until the purpose it was designed for could be implemented.

from marvel.com

you've redefinded the term collision already. apparently you've decided to move on to the term FACT, as well?

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Originally posted by leonidas
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Long ago, the alien race of beings called the Celestials conducted genetic experiments on humanity of the planet Earth. The gods that looked after the Earth knew that with the Celestials eventual return, there would be a judgment that would seal the planet’s fate. If humanity was deemed unworthy of life, by the unknown standards of this mysterious race, Earth would be destroyed. The Destroyer was created, by the command of Odin, as a weapon to use against the mighty Celestials. The task was taken on by the finest craftsmen of Asgard, and once finished Odin, Zeus, and all other leading Earth gods transferred a portion of their power into the construct which gave it superhuman strength and energy manipulating powers. Odin then had the Destroyer sealed within a temple within a plateau hoping it would be out of reach of any who would use its tremendous powers for evil until the purpose it was designed for could be implemented.

from marvel.com

you've redefinded the term collision already. apparently you've decided to move on to the term FACT, as well?

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also from marvel.com link inc. 🙄

edit meh ur quote only say *a portion* of there power anyway, IMO the other gods magic wuz only 2 give it its powers, not harden ("which gave it superhuman strength and energy manipulating powers")

btw u didnt adress teh rest of ym post so i reckon u agree with dat part? 🙂

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
lol yeah as usal 🙄 bs if its a possibel future then it means it can be done even if it never done

From No Non-canon stipulation in the VS forum rules:

This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.

Got a problem? Go take it up with the mods. Not acceptable here.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
bruce lee can break iron bar in 2 but he cant put hole in iron door. my point, depend on colision. this about "good" colisions 😛 😛

Newton's third law doesn't care about the type of collision. As it stands, WW is less durable than Superman but does not injure her fists everytime she punches the latter.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nop depend how pissed is Hulk

Nonsense. If SS' glaze is more durable, by your logic Hulk would never be able to damage him. The fact that he can says a lot about softer materials being able to damage harder ones in comics, and that once again, Newton's third law rarely applies in comics.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

its magnetic so difrent an even if its moleculer it means it break up bond betwen molecules so if somethin can resist dat then quite impresive durablity feat. wtf the board, whats Marvel say huh?

Well, obviously board definitions are important, as you are debating within the board's rules. Is Thor less durable because Loki turned him into a frog? Not by conventional definitions on KMC.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
who care if hes IG if he only use 1 gem he break it with physcal force only

The other two points which you fail to address are the clincher.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
a certain core o sun says me corect. so ima say teh mojo wuz off teh hammer in pitsburg, dat only good explenation

Wrong. You said:

"hammers never been sunder by non-cosmic either plus it has resist cosmic force without even dent so there" (thx MS 4 copy-paste) so u remin unbale 2 disporve it whatever to

Unless you count the blast furnace as a cosmic entity higher than Thanos with IG, Mjolnir has shockingly been destroyed / cleaved by lower level forces. In fact, save Reece, none of the entities who destroyed / cleaved Mjolnir (or would have) are on the same level as Thanos / IG. Not Bor. Not Destroyer, Not giants. Not Ulik's furnace. Not the Pittsburgh furnace. Not Mephisto. Not Perrikus.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
again u cant compare cuz control sitution, adamatium never be tested against lvl of Perikus & his axe

Posted by you:

if hulk can crack it with fists imagine wut dat big black magic axe coud do

I HAVE controls for Ultron. Unfortunately, you have no way of proving that Perrikus could have done the same to adamantium. Whining about it changes nothing.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
(i cant edit) i ment "u said adamtiums never been sunder by non-cosmic therefor it canT be"
so u use no fallacy limit there to 🙂

Quote me on that. When you can't, drop it.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

no control sitution so cant be prove but u know dat dont u? 🙄 howver if hammer can make big dent on better stuff then a axe (cuts) shoud be able 2 do better

Of course I know it can't be proven. Which is why I advise that you stop claiming that Perrikus would be able to cut adamantium with your flawed ABC logic.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah dint dat Skrull lift Stormbreaker hm? (somethin even CLASSIC JUG cant do) so clock up 1 4 COSMIC damage onyl yeah 💃

I have no idea why you are calling Skrulls cosmic when the true cosmics in Marvel are abstracts and abstract-level beings. But yes, the Skrulls did separate Stormbreaker. Another showing of damage.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
btw u still ignor the part about destroyer armor (tho im sure u read it) 😛

I'm not exactly sure why I care, because the Destroyer wasn't made of Uru (original topic was enchanted Uru), and because Mjolnir =/= Destroyer armour. Since you are so convinced by the superiority of Asgard over Marvel Earth, do you recall a certain cuboid object invented by AIM scientists that a certain Titanian used to gain universal power? Do you recall an incident (rather silly) in which a certain omnipotent cosmic judge was driven off by a machine built by a stretchy guy from Earth? That's right. Marvel Earth's science is not inferior to Asgard/s magic. In fact, its highest feats are better.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
Paraphernalia
The Destroyer armor is made from an unknown metal found on Asgard and was [b]enchanted by Odin to make that metal harder than uru, the metal Mjolnir is made of, or adamantium and almost totally indestructible

also from marvel.com link inc. 🙄

edit meh ur quote only say *a portion* of there power anyway, IMO the other gods magic wuz only 2 give it its powers, not harden ("which gave it superhuman strength and energy manipulating powers")

btw u didnt adress teh rest of ym post so i reckon u agree with dat part? 🙂 [/B]

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first, i have no idea what "teh rest of yur post" was, but i doubt highly i would agree with it just based on principle alone at this point . . .

but as i said--the armor WAS enchanted by odin--AND other skyfathers! why do you think odin himself couldn't stop the destroyer without taking out the host?? and "your opinion" opinion on how much power each skyfather put into the armor is as irrelevent as it ever was.

fact--destroyer armor>mjolnir because it was empowered by MANY skyfathers, exactly as i said it was. ✅

fact--it is NOT uru, and so has absolutely no bearing on this discussion ANYWAY. ❌

fact--many of marvel earth's feats>>>>>>>>asgardian feats. ouallada mentioned the cosmic cube which would WTFPWN all of asgard. the superadaptoid (another earth-made device) actually ABSORBED the cube's powers! dr doom has stolen and possessed not only galactus's powers, but even the frickin BEYONDER'S and he could have BLINKED asgard into nothingness! 💃

you've been wrong SO MANY TIMES in this thread it really is staggering . . . 😘

based solely on feats, adamantium>hammer

why? no one outside a cosmic has ever done more than very slightly dent adamantium, while mjolnir has been scratched, chipped and SHATTERED several times in its history. the definition of indestructible is--NOT DESTROYED. mjolnir HAS been destroyed, adamantium has NOT. nwoot