Mjolnir vs. Admantium

Originally posted by leonidas
first, i have no idea what "teh rest of yur post" was, but i doubt highly i would agree with it just based on principle alone at this point . . .

but as i said--the armor WAS enchanted by odin--AND other skyfathers!

fact--destroyer armor>mjolnir because it was empowered by MANY skyfathers, exactly as i said it was. ✅

fact--many of marvel earth's feats>>>>>>>>asgardian feats. ouallada mentioned the cosmic cube which would WTFPWN all of asgard.

why? no one outside a cosmic has ever done more than very slightly dent adamantium, while mjolnir has been scratched, chipped and SHATTERED several times in its history. the definition of indestructible is--NOT DESTROYED. mjolnir HAS been destroyed, adamantium has NOT. nwoot

From No Non-canon stipulation in the VS forum rules:

Got a problem? Go take it up with the mods. Not acceptable here.

Newton's third law doesn't care about the type of collision. As it stands, WW is less durable than Superman but does not injure her fists everytime she punches the latter.

Nonsense. If SS' glaze is more durable, by your logic Hulk would never be able to damage him. The fact that he can says a lot about softer materials being able to damage harder ones in comics, and that once again, Newton's third law rarely applies in comics.

Well, obviously board definitions are important, as you are debating within the board's rules. Is Thor less durable because Loki turned him into a frog? Not by conventional definitions on KMC.

Unless you count the blast furnace as a cosmic entity higher than Thanos with IG,

Mjolnir has shockingly been destroyed / cleaved by lower level forces.

In fact, save Reece, none of the entities who destroyed / cleaved Mjolnir (or would have) are on the same level as Thanos / IG. Not Bor. Not Destroyer, Not giants. Not Ulik's furnace. Not the Pittsburgh furnace. Not Mephisto. Not Perrikus.

I HAVE controls for Ultron.

Unfortunately, you have no way of proving that Perrikus could have done the same to adamantium. Whining about it changes nothing.

I have no idea why you are calling Skrulls cosmic when the true cosmics in Marvel are abstracts and abstract-level beings. But yes, the Skrulls did separate Stormbreaker. Another showing of damage.

I'm not exactly sure why I care, because the Destroyer wasn't made of Uru (original topic was enchanted Uru), and because Mjolnir =/= Destroyer armour. Since you are so convinced by the superiority of Asgard over Marvel Earth, do you recall a certain cuboid object invented by AIM scientists that a certain Titanian used to gain universal power? Do you recall an incident (rather silly) in which a certain omnipotent cosmic judge was driven off by a machine built by a stretchy guy from Earth? That's right. Marvel Earth's science is not inferior to Asgard/s magic. In fact, its highest feats are better.

i mean hey look this other exemple: Reed say his best tech is <<<<<<<<<< Galactus (understatment) yet he make a missile to stop Surfers PC, u think dat make sense? major ****up yeah 😮

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

lol thats it? 😂

Yup, that's it. Rules in black and white.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
sure ME i accept it 😛 u just dont like it but Tazers exampel count!

No non-canon sources. Check with a mod if you must. Whether I like it or not doesn't matter. Just accept it.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
she would of if she wuz a golem or somethin rigid

Bones in her hand are rigid.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
SS aint that hard else hed unable to move how dyou think Thanos beat the shit outa him: cuz his insides are vulnerble

Wrong on both counts. Surfer's skin is more durable than Hulk's bones. Hulk can still damage him.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
um since u mention, resistence to reality warp is also consider durablity

I've already covered this. Resistance to warping is outside of typical durability. Look around the boards if you must to confirm this.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
u sayin furnace on earth hotter then CORE OF THE SUN? LOL 😂 wut he forge wuz plain uru not enchated thats why. else u explain how hammer melt @ TOUSANDS of K but resist MILLIONS K temps.

Nope, simply saying that Mjolnir has been damaged by pretty lowly forces. Not anywhere near Thanos / IG. And no, Thor was repairing Mjolnir, enchantments and all.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but adamatiums been STUNINGLY (^^) dented by lower forces then those dat dint affect teh hammer. ive said dat b4 u ignore it but i can play dis game too all day if u wish 💃 (as long as u conced dat im rite in the end!)

Getting cleaved into two >>>>> being dented. Getting melted by a furnace <<<< getting hit by Hulk.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
thanos use physical force he use PWOER GEM ONLY he dint use IG

The other two points, as I mentioned, are the crux of the argument.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nope u got squat. a Thor whose super weak even next 2 non-pissed Hulk dont count 😄 if he had at least magic sword or somethin magic dat cut, maybe then...

Did Thor hit Ultron plenty of times? Did Hulk hit Ultron plenty of times outside that single instance of damage? Yes. Are those situations similar enough to be controls? Yes. You not only have no idea what a control is, but cannot prove that Perrikus would cleave adamantium.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yup adamatiums never been up vs that lvl o power

So, you can't prove that Perrikus would damage adamantium? Got it.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
and lift it!!

Yes, but that's irrelevant. The equal of Mjolnir was separated by the Skrulls. The minimum for damaging enchanted Uru seems to be getting lower and lower.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
hey ..it happens 😄 or maybe diffrent MO: in marvel alien races are all ment to be weak 2 make earth look strong, in DC aliens are real badass to give som real chalenge u know. anyway if u think "mighty" Thor wuz a waste o time then who knos maybe your rite (why bother writin some1 like Thor when earth can do better with better heros & posibly better tech lol)

i mean hey look this other exemple: Reed say his best tech is <<<<<<<<<< Galactus (understatment) yet he make a missile to stop Surfers PC, u think dat make sense? major ****up yeah 😮

I have no interest in telling you why Earth can produce superior technology to Asgardian magic. What I do have an interest in telling you is that Reed alone has produced tech that has driven off the LT, which is far, far better than anything the skyfathers could do against the Celestials.

Not really interested in character statements too, but I'll bite. G's tech is higher than Reed's by some distance on average, but the latter has some ridiculous prep-related tech feats, and the silly incident involving the LT was after that statement. Want to prove Asgard's definite superiority? I put forward Reed's LT incident. What's Asgard's best?

Edit to above post: If the LT incident isn't 616 (can't remember if it is), replace it with the CC. CCs have been created on earth more than once, iirc.

You guys are still going at it. 😆

Mjolnir has "only been damaged or broken thru high end magic or sub-father or greater beings

Adamantium has been broken by less powerful things.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
You guys are still going at it. 😆

it's like a black hole. i keep thinking i'm out but somehow keep being pulled back in . . . 😮

Mjolnir has "only been damaged or broken thru high end magic or sub-father or greater beings

Adamantium has been broken by less powerful things.

but that's just it--adamantium has never really been broken. it's been very slightly dented on 2 occasions and its molecular structure was manipulated by magneto. the only 2 instances it was ever 'broken' (sym/logan, and gladiator/logan) are both non-canon.

Yo.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Unless I am very much mistaken, alternate reality Wolverine. Gladiator has done the same in a couple of possible future realities too.

it was an alt, but it also involved 616 Illyana (sp?) so.......

/shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
i think that issue isn't so clear cut. logan never died in limbo, which makes that a bit of a continuity problem. wasn't it a POSSIBLE outcome or something like that?

yea, I think its wat wouldve happened it the Xmen had jumped in right after her instead of waiting or something.........

Tazer

Originally posted by leonidas
it's like a black hole. i keep thinking i'm out but somehow keep being pulled back in . . . 😮

but that's just it--adamantium has never really been broken. it's been very slightly dented on 2 occasions and its molecular structure was manipulated by magneto. the only 2 instances it was ever 'broken' (sym/logan, and gladiator/logan) are both non-canon.

What about the whole thing with Ultron and the crack....

Anyways until down the road we see Adamantium getting abused thru under forms or on the level mjolnir has

imo Mjolnir>Adamantium

Could it having better showings then Mjolnir maybe be until then i stand by what i say.

Hmmmmm maybe to take the edge of this Debate we show make a new VS thread What can it be hmmmmm

I got it Goku with Adam. Sword VS Superman with mjolnir 😈 THe Mods will love it

ultron didn't 'crack'. i think one of his seams seperated slightly allowing wasp to get inside. anyway, you're welcome to your opinion. this DOES (as i've said many times) come down to opinion. i just hate being told my opinion is completely wrong and for some of the dumbest reasons i've ever heard . . . 😑

I agree that durability levels between Mjolnir, adamantium, cap's shield and WW's bracelets are subjective, except for possibly adamantium below the shield, and a lot in this thread depends on how a person fills in the gaps between the instances in which Mjolnir has been damaged (to a greater extent) and those in which adamantium has been damaged (to a lesser extent, but arguably has not been tested consistently on a high enough level).

As far as this topic goes, I have no real interest in it beyond being frustrated and amused at some of the incoherent and ridiculous replies I have been getting. If anyone wants to restart this discussion on a more amiable tone, I'm all for it.

Originally posted by Ouallada
As far as this topic goes, I have no real interest in it beyond being frustrated and amused at some of the incoherent and ridiculous replies I have been getting. If anyone wants to restart this discussion on a more amiable tone, I'm all for it.

😂

cheers

Originally posted by leonidas
it's like a black hole. i keep thinking i'm out but somehow keep being pulled back in . . . o

but that's just it--adamantium has never really been broken.

it's been very slightly dented on 2 occasions

the only 2 instances it was ever 'broken' (sym/logan, and gladiator/logan) are both non-canon.

I agree that durability levels between Mjolnir, adamantium, cap's shield and WW's bracelets are subjective, except for possibly adamantium below the shield, and a lot in this thread depends on how a person fills in the gaps between the instances in which Mjolnir has been damaged (to a greater extent) and those in which adamantium has been damaged (to a lesser extent, but arguably has not been tested consistently on a high enough level).

As far as this topic goes, I have no real interest in it beyond being frustrated and amused at some of the incoherent and ridiculous replies I have been making.

Yup, that's it. Rules in black and white.No non-canon sources. Check with a mod if you must. Whether I like it or not doesn't matter. Just accept it.

Wrong on both counts. Surfer's skin is more durable than Hulk's bones. Hulk can still damage him.

I've already covered this. Resistance to warping is outside of typical durability. Look around the boards if you must to confirm this.

Nope, simply saying that Mjolnir has been damaged by pretty lowly forces.

Not anywhere near Thanos / IG.

And no, Thor was repairing Mjolnir, enchantments and all.

Getting cleaved into two >>>>> being dented.

Getting melted by a furnace <<<< getting hit by Hulk.

The other two points, as I mentioned, are the crux of the argument.

Did Thor hit Ultron plenty of times? Did Hulk hit Ultron plenty of times outside that single instance of damage? Yes. Are those situations similar enough to be controls? Yes.

So, you can't prove that Perrikus would damage adamantium? Got it.

tell u wut, yo turn: gimme durablity feat of adamantium. heck gimme sevreal!!)
(and if yur gonna say Thor, i say he dint go all out like i told u b4 & i can prove it, so gimme OTHER feats 😎 )

Yes, but that's irrelevant. The equal of Mjolnir was separated by the Skrulls. The minimum for damaging enchanted Uru seems to be getting lower and lower.

What I do have an interest in telling you is that Reed alone has produced tech that has driven off the LT

Originally posted by Ouallada
When there is no basis for consistency, that's where PIS may step in.

Not really interested in character statements too, but I'll bite. G's tech is higher than Reed's by some distance on average

Edit to above post: If the LT incident isn't 616 (can't remember if it is), replace it with the CC. CCs have been created on earth more than once, iirc.

syms non-canon cuz you say so? lol
jus cuz it technicaly never hapen mean nothin:

you said some dumb things in all this, but this may be a new level of dumb.

ALL WHAT IFS SHOW 'WHAT'S POSSIBLE'. NONE ARE CANON!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. AN EVENT NEEDS TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN TH 616 UNIVERSE, OTHERWISE IT IS NON-CANON.

logan NEVER died in limbo. maybe it was an illusion or just one more alternate logan (maybe the one that broke a claw fighting dh ii and who did NOT have primary adamantium claws!!) since logan NEVER DIED IN 616, WE CAN'T SAY THAT VERSION OF LOGAN WAS THE SAME AS THE 616 LOGAN.

my gawd. you don't like the definition of a word you change its meaning. you don't like a forum rule, you decide to change it. maybe a should ask a mod to explain the rules to you so you understand them? would that help?

criminy. stick to canon facts and stop changing the definition of words.

Originally posted by leonidas
you said some dumb things in all this, but this may be a new level of dumb.

[b]ALL WHAT IFS SHOW 'WHAT'S POSSIBLE'. NONE ARE CANON!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. AN EVENT NEEDS TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN TH 616 UNIVERSE, OTHERWISE IT IS NON-CANON.

logan NEVER died in limbo. maybe it was an illusion or just one more alternate logan (maybe the one that broke a claw fighting dh ii and who did NOT have primary adamantium claws!!) since logan NEVER DIED IN 616, WE CAN'T SAY THAT VERSION OF LOGAN WAS THE SAME AS THE 616 LOGAN.

my gawd. you don't like the definition of a word you change its meaning. you don't like a forum rule, you decide to change it. maybe a should ask a mod to explain the rules to you so you understand them? would that help?

criminy. stick to canon facts and stop changing the definition of words. [/B]

EDIT wut the hell u even admit youself here:

Originally posted by leonidas
wasn't it a POSSIBLE outcome or something like that?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
adamatium CAN be broke by physcal no-cosmic force

LEMME GUESS next u gonna say RKT cant melt caps sheild becoz he undid it? 🙄

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

ur again usin the bullshit logic dat its non-canon just coz forum say so

That's why they're what ifs.

Originally posted by Mindset
Actually, Marvel says what ifs aren't canon to 616 universe.

That's why they're what ifs.

Here.

SO ITS CANON 💃

its not canon dat it happen but its canon dat it can happen 😈

Originally posted by leonidas
you said some dumb things in all this, but this may be a new level of dumb.

[b]ALL WHAT IFS SHOW 'WHAT'S POSSIBLE'. NONE ARE CANON!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. AN EVENT NEEDS TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN TH 616 UNIVERSE, OTHERWISE IT IS NON-CANON.

logan NEVER died in limbo. maybe it was an illusion or just one more alternate logan (maybe the one that broke a claw fighting dh ii and who did NOT have primary adamantium claws!!) since logan NEVER DIED IN 616, WE CAN'T SAY THAT VERSION OF LOGAN WAS THE SAME AS THE 616 LOGAN.

my gawd. you don't like the definition of a word you change its meaning. you don't like a forum rule, you decide to change it. maybe a should ask a mod to explain the rules to you so you understand them? would that help?

criminy. stick to canon facts and stop changing the definition of words. [/B]

Let's just stick to discussions with people who, you know, can actually discuss intelligently without sounding like they are a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Normally, a battlezone could settle such contentions, but I'm not sure if my conscience would allow me to put at least three judges through having to sift through all the nonsense he posts. Within the past three days, I've strained my neck and ran a high fever. Coincidence?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
its not canon dat it happen but its canon dat it can happen 😈

cry

Originally posted by Ouallada
[B]Let's just stick to discussions with people who, you know, can actually discuss intelligently without sounding like they are a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

amen, brother.

Normally, a battlezone could settle such contentions, but I'm not sure if my conscience would allow me to put at least three judges through having to sift through all the nonsense he posts. Within the past three days, I've strained my neck and ran a high fever. Coincidence?

😆

i think my brain has actually bled once or twice these past couple days . . . and there is no way in hell i'd do a BZ with him. i don't dislike anyone on the forum enough to actually ask them to judge it. well, i COULD ask trick, i suppose . . .

heh