Mjolnir vs. Admantium

Originally posted by Mindset
False, it can not make you time travel.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
During the Black Galaxy arc when Hercules and the High Evolutionary where lost and were in the possession of a Celestial.

The Null Bomb, which was about to destroy the entire Galaxy, and it exploded and Thor used Mjolnir immediately to absorb the energy, contain it, and redirect it at into Space to reignite dying Suns if I recall.

so basicly it resist an explosion (so pipe comparison dont work then 🙂)

crap its a tie now 🙁

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
k thx

so basicly it resist an explosion (so pipe comparison dont work then 🙂)

Yup.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
During the Black Galaxy arc when Hercules and the High Evolutionary where lost and were in the possession of a Celestial.

The Null Bomb, which was about to destroy the entire Galaxy, and it exploded and Thor used Mjolnir immediately to absorb the energy, contain it, and redirect it at into Space to reignite dying Suns if I recall.

Originally posted by h1a8
Absorbing energy is not the same as taking a blast dead on. In certain martial arts we are train to absorb a blow to the midsection vs. just taking it. Items as well as characters have their highs and lows in comics.

and i do agree that this thread should have standards for testing, like against an extremely powerful blast or impact. maybe aseries of ever increasing events. just going from appearance to appearance isn't working apparently

Originally posted by psycho gundam
metal can't parry, deflect, or roll from a blow, it's not the same.

and i do agree that this thread should have standards for testing, like against an extremely powerful blast or impact. maybe aseries of ever increasing events. just going from appearance to appearance isn't working apparently

Mjolnir can parry energy. It was designed to absorb energy by channeling it. That is why Thor can absorb energy with it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Mjolnir can parry energy. It was designed to absorb energy by channeling it. That is why Thor can absorb energy with it.

current thor took the destroyer's most powerful blast like it was water,
and when confronted by bor, a sky-father, mjolnir started to wear down. but then bor is dead down by thor's hand.

it looks like since uru is such a magical sponge, it can increase in durability the more magic courses through it.

That's exactly what it does...

Uru on it's own is not durable... at all. It's been broken. It's been carved by Thor. Mjolnir under a powerful magic user (IE full King Thor) has done stuff like tear through Destroyak.

it's not that weak, but it's correct nonetheless.

uru has an ore form, that the dwarves that worked for odin had to smelt and shit to make weapons, that's why mjolnir is more rocky than gugnir is, and probably less durable than gugnir is also. (the myth of mjolnir stated that it's creation was hampered by loki)

but yeah, it gets backed by the magical might of the user.

Originally posted by james2099
Thors hammer is nothing special, it was melted down in a earthly furnace even with its enchantment, the magic within the hammer is what does all the work, the hammer is no stronger than urocs skin because the hammer could not destroy plain ole uru, when thor and beta ray bill had to use all the power in both hammers to KO kurse, both hammers were USELESS. The enchantment does not make the hammers more durable, it makes them more powerful, the only enchantment odin put on any armor or metal or rock was when he increased the durability of the destroyers armor, Thors hammer is a plain ole uru hammer loaded with mystical powers, if too much power is channeled into it, it will be destroyed like when he wrapped his belt of strength around it and hit that celestial. Thats why it has been cut, smashed , broken, and damaged, then remelted in a regular earthly furnace and fixed, the enchantment was still there all along. ulik had the hammer thrown into a furnace FULL INTACT and thor had to try to save it before it was destroyed.

Booyaaa this whole post is on point!!!!! 😄

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Originally posted by leonidas
😂

there is no 'good or bad' collisions (unless you're in the car when it hits the tree i guess . . . .) there are only COLLISIONS. and just because you don't LIKE things that are collisions, doesn't make them NOT collisions. good grief . . .

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
no thats not what i ment dang joo im sure u know what i ment 😠

why the hell would i start understanding NOW when i've barely understood a thing you've been saying all along? 😑

your biggest points have been that the hammer is legendary and forged in asgard and so it should be harder than adamantium because of that.

brilliant statement. 😐

oh noezzzz, earth science>>>>>asgard?!!!1! but, but that am impossible!! seriously. 😆

you say magneto manipulating (not 'breaking', 'denting' or 'shattering'😉 adamantium means it's weaker because he hasn't done the same to the hammer.

for all the points about mjolnir being broken (and it's been broken A LOT) you come up with some baseless excuse to write off, yet you can't say why thor has never (since that first time) ever even DENTED ultron again in all their following battles. you can't explain an ON-PANEL image showing clear as day thor using a furnace in PITTSBURGH ( 😂 ) to repair his hammer and you don't even know what a collision is!! 🙄

how can anyone actually debate you when you cry pis when you don't like something and you can't even define a collision? answer: you CAN'T debate someone like that. you can just spin your wheels and get nowhere at all. no one can change your opinion simply because no matter what anyone says or shows, you simply REFUSE (or are just playing and don't even believe mjolnir>adamantium anymore . . .) to accept what is shown.

so, yeah. 😐

Originally posted by leonidas
why the hell would i start understanding NOW when i've barely understood a thing you've been saying all along? 😑

your biggest points have been that the hammer is legendary and forged in asgard and so it should be harder than adamantium because of that.

brilliant statement. 😐
oh noezzzz, earth science>>>>>asgard?!!!1! but, but that am impossible!! seriously. 😆

you say magneto manipulating (not 'breaking', 'denting' or 'shattering'😉 adamantium means it's weaker because he hasn't done the same to the hammer.

o yeah btw u forget the part where hammer absorb a blast from GALAXY-DESTROYIN BOMB without even a crack haha! so unless u think Hulks punch can destroy galaxy 😄

for all the points about mjolnir being broken (and it's been broken A LOT) you come up with some baseless excuse to write off, yet you can't say why thor has never (since that first time) ever even DENTED ultron again in all their following battles. you can't explain an ON-PANEL image showing clear as day thor using a furnace in PITTSBURGH ( 😂 ) to repair his hammer and you don't even know what a collision is!! 🙄

how can anyone actually debate you when you cry pis when you don't like something and you can't even define a collision? answer: you CAN'T debate someone like that. you can just spin your wheels and get nowhere at all. no one can change your opinion simply because no matter what anyone says or shows, you simply REFUSE (or are just playing and don't even believe mjolnir>adamantium anymore . . .) to accept what is shown.

so, yeah. 😐

hey tell u wut if i show u prove where asgard guys can use magic to make somethin harder then adamatium (not nececarily thors hammer but somethin else) are u gonna accept that or not? 😉

Originally posted by Ouallada
So they need to be of equal thickness too? Since you say that, prove that the adamantium Thor hit was as thick as or thicker than Mjolnir. What does this say about Thor's feats against Ultron, as Ultron's armour is thinner than Mjolnir? Give up on your attempts to define a collision the way you want.

That's not the point. Going by the assumption that Superman IS more durable, WW will never be able to damage him. She has and will continue to do so. Newton's third law rarely applies in comics.

Nope, I am using pre-defined standards from dictionaries. You are the one whining over semantics, and not doing a good job at doing so.
Sure, adamantium has been liquified by Magneto, but then and again the definition of durability does not take that into account. The statement is still

"Adamantium has never been physically sundered by non-cosmic forces, and has never taken the same extents of damage as Mjolnir has from non-cosmic forces." You remain unable to disprove it whatsoever.

Don't be silly. Mysticism can be counted as part of metaphysics, but metaphysics does not necessarily equate to mysticism. In short, no. The only one claiming anything is mystical here is you.

Princeton is a university, and unlike Cambridge, for instance, does not have a lexicon published.

Cambridge gives:

Websters gives:

For all intents and purposes, the definitions are highly similar.

Not mine. Those of dictionaries. If you like, refute the credibility of those sources. Otherwise, stop whining and accept the inevitable.

1) Cleaved and sundered >>> dents in the grand scheme of damage, 2) Newton's third law does not apply in comics for the most part, 3) a blast furnace in Pittsburgh is able to reshape Mjolnir.

I don't debate semantics unless forced to. Just because they were stated to be equal means little

even if the mace has some similar properties and has resisted Mjolnir. The mace still has nothing to do with this topic.

Except that adamantium has been shown to be able to decisively withstand Thor every time he came up against Ultron, except for that single time in the lab. You don't claim PIS in Perrikus' case because there are no control situations.

Quote me. When you can't, I expect an apology once again for having words put into my mouth.

edit btw ima ask u same thng as ^ : if i show u prove where asgard guys can use magic to make somethin harder then adamatium (not nececarily thors hammer but somethin else) are u gonna accept that or not? 😉

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
it says Thors not strong enuff (not this Thor anyway) an what this about Thors feats against Ultron he has none lol

Thor hitting Exitar is counted as a feat because Exitar's dome is thick. As spastic as that sounds, you then need to prove that the adamantium block Thor hit is as thick or thicker than Mjolnir, or by your logic, it does not count as a "collision". Ultron's armour is thinner than Mjolnir, yet Thor could not crack it. What does it say about adamantium then?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wrong supes got his FF but inside hes all flesh how dyou think Thor injure Jugs when his FF wuz down? this aint solid vs solid

For a forcefield to protect, what is its pre-requisite? That's right. Solidity.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah yur definiton look up the other defs lol
and yur standards 😂

I treat this as an inability to disprove those sources. Thanks.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
your claiming it cant be damage (ur sunder or w/e U want) by non-cosmic force so your sayin its magical

Nope. If I say that adamantium has never been sundered by non-cosmic forces, I mean exactly that. No magic. No flying sea otters.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yup yup & they aint specfy type o force or damge 😄

1. no longer whole: in two or more pieces, e.g. after having been dropped or struck with something hard

Read properly. Plenty of other similar definitions exist.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yur defs d00d. man u rilly wanna kill Marvel dont u 😂 DC fan i supose? lol

I quoted Encarta, Cambridge and various other respected lexicons. They are obviously not my own definitions. The re-definition of "collision", on the other hand, is all your own doing, though.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
dents count & cracks to like it or not (esp. when the 2 beng compared go 1 on 1 like hammer vs caps sheild hehe dont forget dat 1 😎 ) & as for adamantium not been "cleave/sunder" or w/e by non-cosmic, dat simply becoz, wut wuz that again, oh yeah NO CONTROL SITUATION like U yurself say, it never bee tested against that (like wit Perikus & all that) so there, use yur own standerds k? 😉
as for the furnace thing check ^ about the sun core thing, dat ones WAY better

Dents count as damage, but my statement is still "Adamantium has never been physically sundered by non-cosmic forces, and has never taken the same extents of damage as Mjolnir has from non-cosmic forces." You remain unable to disprove it whatsoever.

Adamantium has never been up against Perrikus nor the frost giants, but adamantium has plenty of control situations against Hulk and Thor, with the latter failing to damage Ultron once. Not once. Go ahead and try to prove that adamantium would not survive contact with the giants' hammers or would be cleaved by Perrikus.

Sure, Mjolnir has survived in a sun. Funny how you emphasise that while forgetting the Pittsburgh furnace while emphasising the one time Thor has dented adamantium as compared to the many other times he did not.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah yeah i know what u dont like count little

What I don't take to be worthwhile counts little.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
theyve colide 1:1 and neithr got damage acutaly but yeah its state to be = and the mace never got damage ever ever

Not enough. 1) Newton's third law rarely applies, 2) no limits fallacy, 3) Sentry does not have the power of a million exploding suns.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
who said PIS Perikus sword wuz a magic sword of very srtong dark god so no big suprise there (not like ebony blade weild by a human only lol)
o yeah & no conrtol sitution like u said, gota go both ways huh 😉

Precisely. Perrikus cannot be taken to be PIS, even though whether the scythe can do the same to adamantium is doubtful (ABC logic). Due to the abundance of Ultron's feats against Thor, it is very arguable that Thor's feat against the block was PIS instead, even though I will not lower myself to argue using that right now.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
duh your the one who say Thor w hammer hit less hard then hulk fist

As usual, a painful inability to use the English language.

From me:

In fact, from the rest of Thor's feats against Ultron, it is a more logical assumption to say that he consistently cannot do so.

Your inane reply:

k but then u gotta accept that Thor WITH HAMMER hit less hard then Hulk with bear fists

Neither Thor nor Hulk is expected to consistently repeat their feat, but Hulk's was superior.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
if i show u prove where asgard guys can use magic to make somethin harder then adamatium (not nececarily thors hammer but somethin else) are u gonna accept that or not? 😉

😂

why would i accept it if it's NOT thor's hammer? it has no meaning in the thread since we ARE talking about thor's hammer. i don't really care if the destroyer armor is harder than adamantium.

He doesn't need to show the scan. Didn't you get the memo? Anything from Asgard >>> Marvel Earth.

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