Sephiroth vs Link

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
LOL. remember how you accused me of repeating arguments? 😆 I debunked those both with EASE as entirely useless in this fight. If Seph's immune to transformations with no proof, Link is DEFINITELY immune to that crap WITH proof.

Sephiroth cannot even HURT Link with his sword, so, more useless.

In the time it takes Link to find an apple, Sephiroth has made an ass of himself, and come close to Link trying to decapitate him.. Link grabs hold of him and tears him in half.

You've reused useless arguments that are easily debunked, Sephiroth is left in RUINS by Link 10/10.

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Umm no you didn't. Where did you debunk Link getting TK'd? Oh right, no where. And NL? Same thing. Teleporting away? Also same thing. you debunked nothing,

Buddy, as much as you like Link, he gets harmed by a sword. Sorry but accept the truth. Link gets harmed by FAR FAR less. Just because he lifts heavy things with the aid of the Golden Gauntlets, it doesn't somehow make his body invulnerable.

If Sephiroth is not attacked using tranformation spells outside of gameplay then he is not immune to them.

Spell: "Magic to cast eerie spells. Its effect is still not fully known. It is also said that it'll make the enemy tremble in fear."

In gameplay the spell is used to reveal hidden entrances and open dungeons. It also can turn all enemies on the screen to Bots. And if not transform them to a Bot, i.e. Shadow Link, it severely weakens their defense, attack and speed capabilities.

But if you want to go purely on Canon description then here. The spell says it would leave Sephiroth to tremble in fear. In that state his will would be shattered, and it's such a great asset to him. Struck by an over whelming fear, Link can deal with him in ease.

"Zomeyoaw." Is my guess of the word. It looks like it is combined with the English Alphabet and Japanese Katakana. I suppose it is ancient Hylian

Right here is a perfect example of how it most likely work the way it does in gameplay. "It is said" to make enemies tremble in fear. That's is a different statement then "The spell causes the enemy to tremble in fear". Even in the picture it shows Link having to pray and mutter something. Most likely the spell works the same way magic works in the later games.

No where in that description does it state it can transform ALL enemies into bots. Even in the game it isn't capable of doing so. It wouldn't effect Sephiroth who has been shown to be immune to transformations.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No where in that description does it state it can transform ALL enemies into bots. Even in the game it isn't capable of doing so. It wouldn't effect Sephiroth who has been shown to be immune to transformations.

Originally posted by Voyeur

But if you want to go purely on Canon description then here. The spell says it would leave Sephiroth to tremble in fear. In that state his will would be shattered, and it's such a great asset to him. Struck by an over whelming fear, Link can deal with him in ease.

You're right, you have to actually play the game to know what it can do, don't you? ...moron...the manual isn't just going to reveal all the secrets that you need to find out in the game. And "Spell" works the way any wizard usually has to say something like Zatanna from DC, a quick mutter. But via game play and based on what it is shown, it's reasonable that Link says this in his head or just says it and it activates since you still have your sword and shield in hand. You're no one special to go around appointing what it can do based on future game titles -.-

you gotta go by canon remember? And "It is said" because it does, it does say. Other then that "tremble in fear" can be taken to the translation it means they tremble as in jelly, like a Bot. Look, we can go over the romantics of such easy word puzzles all day but you're boring. And Sephiroth you said it yourself isn't affected by FF affects, i.e. sleep, blind, confusion, etc. And it's a game play mechanic/device because why would they make a boss that easy? LOOK BEYOND THE GAME.

...damn mate....you're a minimalist for sure. Must be a pain in the ass to talk to irl.

legacy of kain series gameplay is influence by zelda games.

@Terry

Reeeeaching. The Picture, cartoony little icon, in a guide is evidence?

and yeah, Link doesn't get TK'd, or Ganon would do that and Zelda games would stop happening. Go read the Link respect thread, master sword = so much win. =] Not that you'll actually read this.

I like Link, but yeah he's totally immune to Sephiroth's sword on account of Seph having the arm strength of like.. I dunno, a class 10? Link tooks hits from Ganondorf's beast form and got up fine, tanked the moon, and THREW a stone that would have crushed him if he were soft enough to be pierced by class 10 hits.

Lol, @ u. Teleportation is only good for Sephiroth to RUN AWAY. =P

This has turned into a full fledge stomp.

Originally posted by Voyeur
You're right, you have to actually play the game to know what it can do, don't you? ...moron...the manual isn't just going to reveal all the secrets that you need to find out in the game.

And once again there's a difference between "It is said to make the enemy tremble in fear" and "It will cause your enemy to tremble in fear"

Originally posted by Terryc250
Right, and every other spell it gave a description on what the spell does genius.

And once again there's a difference between "It is said to make the enemy tremble in fear" and "It will cause your enemy to tremble in fear"

obvious really.

Originally posted by Peach
If you can't actually post anything on-topic, then don't post. Not very difficult.

And Link is definitely a much larger part of video game history than Sephiroth is, sorry to say.

He is indeed. Regardless, Sephiroth is a demigod and I understand Link becomes quite powerful as well (Fierce Deity) but Sephiroth has magical capabilities that would extinguish Link from existence. Supernova is the highest point of that capability.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@Terry

Reeeeaching. The Picture, cartoony little icon, in a guide is evidence?

and yeah, Link doesn't get TK'd, or Ganon would do that and Zelda games would stop happening. Go read the Link respect thread, master sword = so much win. =] Not that you'll actually read this.

I like Link, but yeah he's totally immune to Sephiroth's sword on account of Seph having the arm strength of like.. I dunno, a class 10? Link tooks hits from Ganondorf's beast form and got up fine, tanked the moon, and THREW a stone that would have crushed him if he were soft enough to be pierced by class 10 hits.

Lol, @ u. Teleportation is only good for Sephiroth to RUN AWAY. =P

This has turned into a full fledge stomp.

It's more evidence then 8-bit gameplay.

Link didn't get TK'd by Ganon due to PIS. Unfortunately for Link, PIS plays no role here. Unless Link actually has REAL evidence he's immune to TK. Then he gets TK'd. If you think the master sword prevents him from being TK'd, then give me some REAL evidence that states the master swords ability stops TK.

Sephiroths remnants (who are a portion of his power) take a TNT explosion big enough to destroy a skyscraper, and survive.

Link didn't tank any moon explosion, get off that bull.

Teleportation is just something i put there to protect against Links fake powers, even though none of them would even hit him. Teleport/NL = Link loses. GG

Go check the Link respect thread, it works. The mastersword is the SOURCE of the PIS, Terry. =]

NL = doesn't affect Link AND gets reflected.

This is a stomp. Seph has nothing to even hurt Link.

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
He is indeed. Regardless, Sephiroth is a demigod and I understand Link becomes quite powerful as well (Fierce Deity) but Sephiroth has magical capabilities that would extinguish Link from existence. Supernova is the highest point of that capability.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Link didn't tank any moon explosion, get off that bull.

Explosions can be contained inside the cavity of something. In this case the cavity is the hollowed out region with inside the moon. This isn't an ordinary cavity, and it in fact isn't even technically inside the Moon in question. It's a pocket universe. Created from Majora, based on his past experiences where I'd have to go in depth of his story and what he exactly is, so. Majora is a God of evil incarnate, bound to a Mask who possessed and used the Skull Kid as a puppet. He threatened to destroy the world in the past and was brought down by the rivaled powers of Fierce Deity. Exiled and ridiculed by people around him, is what drove him to want to destroy the world and grow powerful from hate. This is a miniature universe created by him.
@ start of vid and a bit in. You'll see the floating island of land you walk about with a Tree in the middle. The rest is an infinite amount of sky above, below and every where else around you. This is the pocket universe created by Majora "inside" the Moon.
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Alright, so the explosion of force that generated from Majora's own energy blasting out is contained in this pocket dimension.
So I watched the explosion again to debunk myself to prove if this isn't merely the world Majora created dissolving because he doesn't have the mental ability too hold it together any more, but it is not the case. The world is created, it stays that way and doesn't revert, even if he had just left it there. It just gets blown to kingdom come. Even if that was the case it is a clear physical reaction. He's exploding and the force is shaking the realm around him, as he clearly is breaking apart, becoming energy. And due to sound it would also be some sort of eruption. The end result being the brink of the blast radius to destroy the shell of a Moon. The force of the blast and inertia being contained inside the pocket universe, Inside the bubble of a Moon. And that shell being destroyed, showing still the force of the explosion. Because Majora didn't create the moon. He brought it down out of orbit. So the force was some type of blast that disintegrated the moon on a physical level, because simply, physical matter and objects just don't dissolve magically kids. Or as Terry puts "transmutes into a rainbow." Something needs to apply an explosive force to blow up and break something apart at the seams.

The Moon, which was a physical existing matter and not something created from Majora. And thus it would prove the moon is a bubble in which it acted as a shell containing the pocket universe destroyed by Majora's own power bursting from him and bringing down everything, resulting in the pop of the bubble the moon exploding.

i.e. The Moon is a Bubble. Something from the inside popped it with force. The force ended inside that bubble, and no further inertia is carried out.

Easily assumed the Little island of Land takes some where at the top of Moon, or at least the region of the miniature dimension where you have the final fight against Majora does. That would mean when he started to explode and the pocket universe began to shake and erupt, the top of the Moon felt the ending result first. So the bubble began to pop and break apart from where the strongest out laying force of the explosion would start, and then began onwards. The rainbow, once again is there for the "Happy ending" game play.

So Link took that explosion which brought down a pocket universe at point blank. The force of the blast carried through out and destroyed the dimension, and ended with a force so great enough to bring it's shell/the moon to dust.

side note: each of the other kids take you to Dungeons which could be sub-dimensions inside the main pocket universe. By the way, some sort of force had to expel Link to the fields, or the Moon would of transformed and he would of landed back ontop of clock tower.

@1:50 you can see the moon crashing through the lower atmosphere, proving it's physical and even causing the land around it to react. Showing when it was destroyed, the blast had to take some where else, e.g. the pocket universe.

@ 5:45 (you see Link enter, Skull Kid's body still laying there:
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Originally posted by Terryc250
It's more evidence then 8-bit gameplay.

Link didn't get TK'd by Ganon due to PIS. Unfortunately for Link, PIS plays no role here. Unless Link actually has REAL evidence he's immune to TK. Then he gets TK'd. If you think the master sword prevents him from being TK'd, then give me some REAL evidence that states the master swords ability stops TK.

Sephiroths remnants (who are a portion of his power) take a TNT explosion big enough to destroy a skyscraper, and survive.

Link didn't tank any moon explosion, get off that bull.

Teleportation is just something i put there to protect against Links fake powers, even though none of them would even hit him. Teleport/NL = Link loses. GG

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Let me explain why throwing a stone [or APPLE!] would work..

In order for a mass weighing two million pounds to be hurled 200 metres [conveniently downrounded numbers ftw] in one burst of strength Link has to accelerate the mass to a speed of approx 75 m/s because gravity will resist the rise of the mass and return it to earth at a speed of around 30 ft/s or 10 m/s and the maximum heaigth of the rock, being conservative for your benefit, is 30 metres [100 feet]

THEREFORE:

E = m x g x z

mass (m) = 2000000 pound = 907184.739999 kilogram
acceleration of gravity (g) = 75 meter/second^2 = 75 meter/second^2
height (z) = 30 meter = 30 meter

so E.. potential energy (E) = 2041165665 joule

So, to make that easier to understand, 2041165.665 KJ. Imagine that kind of force behind a ten pound stone? Your typical single ounce bullet uses nowhere close to a hundredth or thousandth of that.

To make my argument clear, a ten pound stone would not be dodgable for Seph, because it wouldn't be moving at bullet speed, it would be a freaking COMET.

Originally posted by Phanteros
majora mask. and where did you get this skyscraper bull from?

Saying "Majora Mask" isn't real evidence.

It's not "bull", the remnants did tank that explosion genius. You ever watch AC?

watch at 7:55
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@ Screampaste. Why do you ignore the fact that by the time it takes Link to GO AND GET THE APPLE <-- comprehend this part. Sephiroth would have already done what he needed to do and Link would be dead.

@ Voyeur. All you're saying is a bunch of nonsense trying to prove it might be possible that the moon exploded and got taken by inertia (which is bs since Link would've been taken in by it too). Besides the fact that explosions don't happen top to bottom it simply explodes outwards, and the fact that explosions don't look like rainbows, and the fact that Link hasn't ever been shown capable of that kind of durability. Also can you even prove the size of that moon is the size of a regular moon? It doesn't even look as big as a country or even a city.

@Terry: Because Sephiroth cannot kill Link. 😆

Slash freakin' thread, sir!

/Thread.

Link isn't invulnerable, get off that bs. Faaaaaar less is capable of hurting him and killing him. Accept that fact. I know the truth hurts, but you have to accept it.

Proof? None? Exactly. Link's durability feats far outshine Sephiroth's destructive feats, strength feats.. ect.. Seph literally has shown no ability to harm him.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Saying "Majora Mask" isn't real evidence.

It's not "bull", the remnants did tank that explosion genius. You ever watch AC?

watch at 7:55
YouTube video

@ Screampaste. Why do you ignore the fact that by the time it takes Link to GO AND GET THE APPLE <-- comprehend this part. Sephiroth would have already done what he needed to do and Link would be dead.

@ Voyeur. All you're saying is a bunch of nonsense trying to prove it might be possible that the moon exploded and got taken by inertia. Besides the fact that explosions don't happen top to bottom it simply explodes outwards, and the fact that explosions don't look like rainbows, and the fact that Link hasn't ever been shown capable of that kind of durability. Also can you even prove the size of that moon is the size of a regular moon? It doesn't even look as big as a country or even a city.

Links fake durability feats. But real Link from LoZ gets harmed and can be killed by far less. Everyone knows that except you.

Originally posted by Phanteros
majora mask he survived a explosion happy?